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Title: Urgent: Borescope and cam timing kit for a 2001 Ford Focus 1.6 Zetec engine needed
Post by: Titsy on February 03, 2013, 04:56:07 pm

If anyone can lend me either of the above items in a hurry it would be much appreciated. I'll elaborate on the monumental cock-up that led me to needing then when I'm in less of a foul mood... (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/mad.gif) (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/sad.gif)

Title: Urgent: Borescope and cam timing kit for a 2001 Ford Focus 1.6 Zetec engine needed
Post by: ianjpage on February 03, 2013, 09:28:34 pm

Oh that doesn't sound good....

Title: Urgent: Borescope and cam timing kit for a 2001 Ford Focus 1.6 Zetec engine needed
Post by: Titsy on February 03, 2013, 09:45:17 pm

Have just bought the above on eBay. Learnt the hard way today the removing the balancer pulley on zetec releases the crank timing pulley. I didn't get as far as starting it, but I'm prety sure I hit some valves while turning the crank with a breaker bar. The sudden resistance and metal on metal sound made me feel sick. (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/sad.gif)

Title: Urgent: Borescope and cam timing kit for a 2001 Ford Focus 1.6 Zetec engine needed
Post by: art b on February 03, 2013, 11:49:11 pm

oh bugger...(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/can.gif)


shoulda gotta haynes manual too....(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/wink.gif)

Title: Urgent: Borescope and cam timing kit for a 2001 Ford Focus 1.6 Zetec engine needed
Post by: Titsy on February 04, 2013, 08:07:15 am

Quoting: art b

shoulda gotta haynes manual too....

I've got one. I bought it when I bought the car 11 years ago. Unfortunately it wasn't accurate for the job I was doing, which led me to ad-lib and cock it up...

I was only changing the 20,000 mile old water pump out that has sprung a leak from the shaft seal. This is driven from the aux belt so I didn't foresee anything that would affect timing, otherwise I would have had it towed to a garage.

The good old Haynes manual didn't mention anything to do with removing the timing belt cover to gain access to half the water pump and its fixings, so I had to abandon it's instructions.

It had looked like the cover extended behind the crank pulley/damper, but only after the pulley was removed could I see it was a two part cover (makes sense really knowing what I do now (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/rolleyes.gif))

The set-up is a close fit (not interference) on the timing pulley and the aux pulley/balancer. A single central bolt presses on the damper against the timing pulley and that against the crank. as soon as the crank bolt it loose nothing can be moved. I never considered it would be such a fragile set-up, as everything I've seen previously has been keyed or at least interference for timing I never even crossed my mind that removing the balancer would have such consequences....

Title: Urgent: Borescope and cam timing kit for a 2001 Ford Focus 1.6 Zetec engine needed
Post by: Incursus on February 04, 2013, 09:06:11 am

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Title: Urgent: Borescope and cam timing kit for a 2001 Ford Focus 1.6 Zetec engine needed
Post by: Roadkill on February 04, 2013, 11:04:39 am

Ah, bad luck.  Must admit I probably would've done the same thing. (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/down.gif)

EDIT - 20,000 miles is pretty bad for a water pump, though - I assume this was done at a garage before ??

Title: Urgent: Borescope and cam timing kit for a 2001 Ford Focus 1.6 Zetec engine needed
Post by: Titsy on February 04, 2013, 12:34:00 pm

Quoting: Roadkill

I assume this was done at a garage before ??

Yup, but I didn't think it was worth wasting my breath on something that was done nearly 2 years ago...

Title: Urgent: Borescope and cam timing kit for a 2001 Ford Focus 1.6 Zetec engine needed
Post by: Roadkill on February 04, 2013, 01:32:24 pm

Fair enough . . . You should be O.K if you were only turning it over by hand.  You may well have scuffed the top of your pistons but you'd be really unlucky to have bent any valves.

Title: Urgent: Borescope and cam timing kit for a 2001 Ford Focus 1.6 Zetec engine needed
Post by: Titsy on February 04, 2013, 01:38:25 pm

That's what I'm hoping... Cross your fingers for me guys...

Title: Urgent: Borescope and cam timing kit for a 2001 Ford Focus 1.6 Zetec engine needed
Post by: Incursus on February 04, 2013, 01:52:43 pm

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Title: Urgent: Borescope and cam timing kit for a 2001 Ford Focus 1.6 Zetec engine needed
Post by: art b on February 04, 2013, 10:33:29 pm

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Quoting: Titsy

I've got one. I bought it when I bought the car 11 years ago.

well its about time ya got a new un then...(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/tongue.gif)

Title: Urgent: Borescope and cam timing kit for a 2001 Ford Focus 1.6 Zetec engine needed
Post by: Titsy on February 07, 2013, 01:04:18 pm

Keep those fingers crossed guys and girls... Nothing that I could determine was bent through the borescope, so it's re-timed and reassembly will commence tonight... (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/crossed.gif)

Title: Urgent: Borescope and cam timing kit for a 2001 Ford Focus 1.6 Zetec engine needed
Post by: ianjpage on February 07, 2013, 02:20:42 pm

here's hoping it all goes well (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/crossed.gif)

did you borrow or buy a borescope?

Title: Urgent: Borescope and cam timing kit for a 2001 Ford Focus 1.6 Zetec engine needed
Post by: art b on February 07, 2013, 02:23:16 pm

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Title: Urgent: Borescope and cam timing kit for a 2001 Ford Focus 1.6 Zetec engine needed
Post by: Jo on February 07, 2013, 10:13:12 pm

Hope all goes well.

Title: Urgent: Borescope and cam timing kit for a 2001 Ford Focus 1.6 Zetec engine needed
Post by: Incursus on February 08, 2013, 07:53:00 am

(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/crossed.gif)  again (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/up.gif)




Though it might be time to shop it in for an El Camino .... ok maybe something a tad more sensible (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/grin.gif)

Title: Urgent: Borescope and cam timing kit for a 2001 Ford Focus 1.6 Zetec engine needed
Post by: Titsy on February 08, 2013, 05:01:18 pm

Well if it wasn't fooked before it certainly is now.... Used a ford workshop manual, did everything by the letter and triple checked and still it went bang... Torqued up a new crank pulley bolt to 40Nm and then by 90degrees while bracing with a tool I bought special, and still the bolt undid itself in a matter of seconds of starting and running and everything let go... Looked down no1 cylinder and that said it all. Totally fooked.

 (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/sad.gif)

Title: Urgent: Borescope and cam timing kit for a 2001 Ford Focus 1.6 Zetec engine needed
Post by: F Body on February 08, 2013, 05:17:23 pm

Quoting: Titsy

Well if it wasn't fooked before it certainly is now....

Bummer, I feel your pain Buddy (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/down.gif)

Quoting: Titsy

Torqued up a new crank pulley bolt to 40Nm

40Nm doesn't seem very high ?  What size bolt is or was it (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/chiny.gif)

Title: Urgent: Borescope and cam timing kit for a 2001 Ford Focus 1.6 Zetec engine needed
Post by: Titsy on February 08, 2013, 05:19:36 pm

two stages of torquing, first to 40nm, which is enough to bind the pulley, then another 90degrees while bracing the pulley.

Title: Urgent: Borescope and cam timing kit for a 2001 Ford Focus 1.6 Zetec engine needed
Post by: F Body on February 08, 2013, 05:22:10 pm

Quoting: Titsy

two stages of torquing, first to 40nm, which is enough to bind the pulley, then another 90degrees while bracing the pulley.

Ah my bad, so the sucker should have been well tight (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/sad.gif)

Is it game over for the old Gal, or after you have calmed down will you rebuild her ?

Title: Urgent: Borescope and cam timing kit for a 2001 Ford Focus 1.6 Zetec engine needed
Post by: Titsy on February 08, 2013, 05:26:17 pm

There was a dent in the spark plug as it came out and the remains of valves rolling around on the piston. I think it's safe to say at 12 years old, 128000 miles and with tin worm setting in she's beyond economical repair... (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/sad.gif)

We had a good innings together, she was my first car and only a year old when I bought her, but I think it's time to chop her in... (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/down.gif)

Title: Urgent: Borescope and cam timing kit for a 2001 Ford Focus 1.6 Zetec engine needed
Post by: EDGE on February 08, 2013, 05:35:21 pm

Time to chop her up more like!

Engines are DIRT cheap though!!!!

Title: Urgent: Borescope and cam timing kit for a 2001 Ford Focus 1.6 Zetec engine needed
Post by: Andy on February 08, 2013, 06:42:31 pm

Damn! Not good (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/sad.gif)

But...

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Focus-mk1-1-8-zetec-engine-excellent-runner-recent-belt-/321064927775?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item4ac0f6021f

Title: Urgent: Borescope and cam timing kit for a 2001 Ford Focus 1.6 Zetec engine needed
Post by: ianjpage on February 08, 2013, 06:57:43 pm

arse that's not good :(

Title: Urgent: Borescope and cam timing kit for a 2001 Ford Focus 1.6 Zetec engine needed
Post by: art b on February 08, 2013, 07:17:03 pm

arse biscuits....(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/can.gif)

a v8 will drop straight in there .(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/up.gif)

Title: Urgent: Borescope and cam timing kit for a 2001 Ford Focus 1.6 Zetec engine needed
Post by: Incursus on February 08, 2013, 07:49:31 pm

Balls (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/down.gif)

Title: Urgent: Borescope and cam timing kit for a 2001 Ford Focus 1.6 Zetec engine needed
Post by: Titsy on February 09, 2013, 08:12:21 am

Quoting: Titsy

Have just bought the above on eBay

Quoting: ianjpage

did you borrow or buy a borescope?

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This one: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Flexible-Inspection-borescope-/321063173981?nma=true&si=lu0qzpI4lxy8eD7pJCrhahgja0s%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

Title: Urgent: Borescope and cam timing kit for a 2001 Ford Focus 1.6 Zetec engine needed
Post by: EDGE on February 09, 2013, 10:21:26 am

Does this mean the focus is set for the bin?

Title: Urgent: Borescope and cam timing kit for a 2001 Ford Focus 1.6 Zetec engine needed
Post by: Titsy on February 09, 2013, 10:26:12 am

TBH I was looking at changing it mid year anyway before the minor issues turn into major ones. it's rotting round the door seals and generally a bit tatty... I need to get back on the road, and don't want to throw good money after bad on a car that's not going to last...

Title: Urgent: Borescope and cam timing kit for a 2001 Ford Focus 1.6 Zetec engine needed
Post by: EDGE on February 10, 2013, 02:35:14 am

Oh, what else is wrong with it then?