Quoting: 55starchief
I trust it still has its pontiac heart?
As far as i can tell it's all original , re space in the barn , the problem would still be getting there (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/sad.gif)
Quoting: F Body
the problem would still be getting there
Hmm from memory chris hired a trailer for about £50
Quoting: F Body
the problem would still be getting there
I think Martyn means HIM getting there to work on it, its not exactly convenient from Luton...
Quoting: 55starchief
Quoting: F Body
the problem would still be getting there
Hmm from memory chris hired a trailer for about £50
Indeed i did (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/up.gif)
A place in leighton (also have a place in Northampton i believe)
Quoting: Roadkill
Also - looking at the engine bay - I reckon I could have fun "trimming off some weight" if you're thinking of dragging her.
Also if it is a poncho motor its gonna make more TQ than a cheby lump and i can easily get hold of some tune up parts
Quoting: Jamieg285
Did you check the rear frame, specifically where it curves up in front of the axle, and the arms either side of the tank?
Looked sound as did the front spring mounts (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/wink.gif)
Quoting: FUBAR
It does look like a nice car though, definately potential there for a fixer-upper
Could be the best £200 I've spent (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/grin.gif)
Anyone know how wide across the wheels she is ?
I've got a 4x4 & car transporter trailer sorted for £20 (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/up.gif)
Which is 63" wide max on the ramps , the aftermarket wheels are mega wide but I can swop them for the originals to reduce the width if needed.
Quoting: F Body
Could be the best £200 I've spent
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You could almost use it for a Staples ==> Naples car!!! (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/rofls.gif)
Quoting: F Body
Could be the best £200 I've spent
(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/shame.gif)
You B@st@rd !!!
Worth it for the Lump alone !!
So, do tell . . how did you come across this little gem ?
Quoting: F Body
Could be the best £200 I've spent
Damn thats a bargain
Quoting: 55starchief
Quoting: F Body
Could be the best £200 I've spent
Damn thats a bargain
Hell yeah, there's work to be done but not a massive amount! and you get left with a tidy 2nd gen.
I do like those shaker hoods too (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/cool.gif)
Quoting: F Body
Anyone know how wide across the wheels she is ?
Exterior
Length 195.601 in | 4968.3 mm.
Width 74.501 in | 1892.3 mm. # Still can't find an across the wheel width ?
Height 52.101 in | 1323.4 mm.
Wheelbase 101.101 in | 2568 mm.
Quoting: Jamieg285
If you decide to break rather than restore
For £200 I think you'd be daft NOT to have a go at restoring her . . . You've not got much to lose.
Quoting: Roadkill
For £200 I think you'd be daft NOT to have a go at restoring her . . . You've not got much to lose.
Indeed or sell it to me and i will drag that biatch
Quoting: F Body
just need to measure Jamie's wheels on Sunday to check there no more than 63 " wide
Err, that's only 5' 3".
I'd guess more like 73", not 63" . . . .
Quoting: Roadkill
Err, that's only 5' 3".
I'd guess more like 73", not 63" . . . .
A couple of scaffold planks, strategically placed..... (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/devil.gif)
Quoting: 55starchief
Also if it is a poncho motor its gonna make more TQ than a cheby lump and i can easily get hold of some tune up parts
looks like its a poncho motor to me, but it could also be an oldsmobile motor as that was about the time they changed to the 403 olds..
both were badged as 6.6 so i'm guessing the 400 badge on the cowl is a) non origional or b) its the ponch engine...
FWIW, stock the 400 ponch isn't a powerhouse, and the 403 olds is even less so...
in fact, the 1/4 mile is within 1/2 a second of a mustang V6, and the 0 - 60 is slower
google returned 1976 Pontiac Trans Am 400: 0 - 60 9.8 1/4 16.8
nice find, and a great looking car..
Quoting: philoldsmobile
nice find, and a great looking car..
Well you know I've been hankering after a second gen as well , along with a few others LOL
Quoting: philoldsmobile
looks like its a poncho motor to me, but it could also be an oldsmobile motor as that was about the time they changed to the 403 olds..
both were badged as 6.6 so i'm guessing the 400 badge on the cowl is a) non origional or b) its the ponch engine...
FWIW, stock the 400 ponch isn't a powerhouse, and the 403 olds is even less so...
Wrong
the 1977 TA came with a 400/403 as standard and the T/A6.6 as an option
they made 68,745 trans ams in 77 out of a total 155,736 firebirds
Quoting: 55starchief
the 1977 TA came with a 400/403 as standard
the 403 is the oldsmobile engine.. 400 or 403 are both generalised as 6.6, and the 403 was never badged as such, wearing T/A 6.6 badges instead.. that is why the 400 badge sugests to me its probably not the oldsmobile engine, unless its a 400 decal someone put on there for the hell of it..
the last of them had the 403 olds engine, and was cirtainly available in 79
http://www.iwaynet.net/~gl&lisk/1977ta.html
Quoting: philoldsmobile
the 403 is the oldsmobile engine.. 400 or 403 are both generalised as 6.6, and the 403 was never badged as such, wearing T/A 6.6 badges instead.. that is why the 400 badge sugests to me its probably not the oldsmobile engine, unless its a 400 decal someone put on there for the hell of it..
wrong wrong wrong wrong
the 400 and 403 were never badged as T/A6.6
the T/A 6.6 was a totally different model stick to your 3rd gens and leave the pontiacs to them that know
Quoting: art b
so is the 4th gen going or areyou just collecting?
As if the 4th Gen is a keeper !
Just adding to the F Body fleet (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/shame.gif)
Quoting: F Body
Just adding to the F Body fleet
(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/up.gif)
That's the spirit . . . .
I got an "interesting" Third Gen for you if you're looking to further the "family" . . . (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/wink.gif)
Quoting: Jamieg285
Ooh, can I borrow 'Black Betty'?
Black Beauty ! Zoe named it after painting it with the only spray paint I had which was black.
Pop round anytime Mate it's in the back of the GMC.
Safety First :
You may have noticed that a use a very long extension bar when tightening it up , that's because some dodgy geezer did the welding ( yep me ).
So in the unlikely event of a weld failing it's less likely to hit you in the face (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/wink.gif)
Quoting: F Body
As if the 4th Gen is a keeper !
Just adding to the F Body fleet
not long ago you was toying with the idea of a change,(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/confused.gif)
and said the 4th gen was getting "tatty"......(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/shame.gif)
any way ya can never have toooooooooooooo many cars......(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/tongue.gif) (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/tongue.gif) keep up the good work,good luck with it another saved from the scrapper!!!!(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/up.gif)
Quoting: art b
and said the 4th gen was getting "tatty"......
And I said he was mental. (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/lol.gif)
Quoting: Roadkill
And I said he was mental.
well that goes with out saying (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/smirk.gif)
let us know when ya want any help wiff ya project martyn,be glad to lend a hand(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/tongue.gif)
Quoting: Roadkill
And I said he was mental.
Got the Certificate (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/lol.gif)
Quoting: art b
let us know when ya want any help wiff ya project martyn,be glad to lend a hand
A couple of grand would be handy (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/tongue.gif)
Quoting: 55starchief
If you pm me the chassis number i will decode it for you, also if you can get the casting number off of the heads i can identify those aswell. It should be over the center exhaust ports
Cheers Mate I'll do it tomorrow it's going dark now (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/wink.gif)
Quoting: F Body
Still loads to do but I'm done for today
I lied (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/tongue.gif)
I've just started clearing the car out , here's the haul so far :
4 original good condition gold Pontiac wheels ( tyres knackered ).
1 set of GM front disc pads.
1 set of original Pontiac Headers.
1 fan belt.
1 set of jump leads.
1 large box of exhaust hangers/brackets/rubbers etc.
Couple of litres of Castrol High Mileage GTX.
Couple of litres of Anti-freeze.
1 bottle of Redex.
Some sort of GM electrical relay still in box.
The retaining clip for the shaker hood cowl.
(http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c294/fbody007/Project%20Trans%20Am/200610041940_00087.jpg)
(http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c294/fbody007/Project%20Trans%20Am/200610041941_00088.jpg)
Quoting: F Body
You'll be pleased to know that the Trans Am's previous owner is following this thread and I've invited him to post
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Quoting: Roadkill
The only downside to using visable methods of stopping a car rolling is the potential for little scroats to see them and think it funny to remove them
Yep thought about that but it's still in gear and it's still creeping down the drive, so I figured two days and you won't be able to get them out without jacking it up (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/wink.gif)
Quoting: 55starchief
If you pm me the chassis number i will decode it for you, also if you can get the casting number off of the heads i can identify those aswell. It should be over the center exhaust ports
Vin number is :
2T87U7N181896
Can't see any numbers around the exhaust ports (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/dontknow.gif)
Quoting: 55starchief
I can check with a couple of people and make sure but its definatley on my list
The previous owner is sure it's a 6.6 and some of the reciepts for parts say Pontiac 6.6 litre , but in 29 years a lot can happen (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/wink.gif)
Quoting: F Body
The previous owner is sure it's a 6.6 and some of the reciepts for parts say Pontiac 6.6 litre , but in 29 years a lot can happen
yup, really need an engine number to be sure, have just emailed a friend with a 77-400 in the usa to check the vin decode
Quoting: FUBAR
only 185hp from an 6.6ltr lump is just giving Shifty ammunition!!
Also, how much does the car weigh? The HP/Ton must be shocking... (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/sad.gif)
Quoting: F Body
Will she run OK on unleaded fuel ?
yup unlead fuel was withdrawn in the usa a long time before it was over here. You can always add an aditive the castrol one is the best in my opinion
Quoting: FUBAR
besides, only 185hp from an 6.6ltr lump
Yeah but with 325ftlb of torque @2200rpm !
BHP don't mean a lot ( Civic type R ) it's "talks" which give you the shove (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/wink.gif)
Quoting: 55starchief
yup
unlead fuel was withdrawn in the usa a long time before it was over here.
You mean leaded I'm thinking....(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/smirk.gif)
Quoting: F Body
BHP don't mean a lot ( Civic type R ) it's "talks" which give you the shove
Very true..... but if it won't do more than 50mph.....
Quoting: Rocky
Its definatly an Esprit they normally came with the smallest engines,Looks like it may be a Trans am clone but then if its got a 6.6 it will go like the real thing anyway
Its a shame as if it was a stock esprit its more rare. If it was me i would put it back as it was and have a nicer looking car in my opinion as well as it being a little different
Quoting: Rocky
Look in the boot under the parcel shelf probably find the original colour as its the one place not alot of people respray
The whole car has been heavily undersealed , even under the parcel shelf in the boot (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/shame.gif)
Probally explains why it appears to be so sound (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/wink.gif)
Quoting: HardRockCamaro
How in the name of all that is sweet good and pure did you manage that?!?!
I know, I have to say I'm just slightly jealous (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/up.gif) Fair play though Lucky Lucky Lucky B*****d (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/cool.gif)
Quoting: FUBAR
I'm just slightly jealous
Thats whats implied m8 (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/up.gif)
Quoting: Roadkill
Too late in the week for thinking, me thinks.
Indeed, my level of enthuasium for work is about the same as your avatar at the moment... (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/tongue.gif)
Quoting: Roadkill
He sums things up for me quite nicely at the mo.
and he can lick his own balls (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/roll.gif)
Quoting: 55starchief
and he can lick his own balls
Quoting: Roadkill
sums things up for me quite nicely at the mo
Not entirely, then . . . . (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/smirk.gif)
Quoting: Roadkill
Quoting: 55starchief
and he can lick his own balls
Quoting: Roadkill
sums things up for me quite nicely at the mo
Not entirely, then . . . .
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Quoting: Roadkill
I'm still in awe at how sound she appears.
Well just remember to look at the pictures at the start of this thread, hopefully not a basket case but it's still very much work in progress.
Long term plans include buying a MIG welder and learning to spray (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/wink.gif)
Quoting: F Body
Long term plans include buying a MIG welder and learning to spray
Ditto . . . . (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/confused.gif)
Quoting: F Body
Long term plans include buying a MIG welder and learning to spray
If you want to borrow, just shout. No point it sitting in my garage not doing much.
Quoting: Jamieg285
If you want to borrow, just shout.
Why I thank you kindly Sir (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/up.gif)
Quoting: 55starchief
do we have an engine number yet?
All I can see above the rear spark plugs are the letters D & N ?
Can't find a proper number or code, there is no way it's a 305 it's just too big, it fills the width of the engine bay to within 1/2".
It makes the Camaro's LS1 engine look small (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/shame.gif)
Quoting: F Body
Can't find a proper number or code, there is no way it's a 305 it's just too big, it fills the width of the engine bay to within 1/2".
All pontiac engines were the same size mate so a 455 would be the same as a 305. So don't be fooled by size.
I will ask a few questions as to where the block number is
Quoting: HardRockCamaro
Will be interesting to see how nice and sounds a car you can get for very little money when you're done.
Indeed it will, Management has (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/mad.gif) forbidden (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/mad.gif) me to spend any more money on it this month coz we's is skint (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/down.gif)
Quoting: Rocky
is the headlight you need the mainbeam
It's the dipped beam unit (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/sad.gif)
Saturday update No.2.
Well I've just had to spend another £3.99 (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/down.gif)
(http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c294/fbody007/Project%20Trans%20Am/DSC00836.jpg)
She turns over and is sparking but fuel was spraying out of the upper fuel line, so I had to get some new hose. The strange thing is that the leaking bit of hose looks the best in the engine bay (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/shame.gif)
Quoting: 55starchief
Posted: 29 Sep 2006 12:28 - IP: 213.2.23.101
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Quoting: Roadkill
For £200 I think you'd be daft NOT to have a go at restoring her . . . You've not got much to lose.
Indeed or sell it to me and i will drag that biatch
sorry mate, (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/wink.gif)
Quoting: EDGE
lol... DAGNAMMIT..... I was just kidding dude... I figured someone would have called it before me
you not finnaly gonna get shifty-the-rice-boy in to some actual muscle are you
EDGE
Well he did want to drop a turbo on it, if we can get it running i want to use it to run SRS next year. Of course a call will be made to my mate andy mitchell king of pontiac engines and see what he can do (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/devil.gif) he just did a junkyard jewel pontiac 400 motor for hot rod magazine and made well over 400hp on a very limited budget
Quoting: HardRockCamaro
I know Summit sell 350 Chevy (yes I know, different engine) rebuild kits which include new pistons. You can add rods and a crank for not that much more.
Even if it cost another grand to get it running
Nice idea but on a sloping drive outside in winter it just ain't gona happen (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/sad.gif)
As I said at the start of Project Trans Am , it was a four stage project :
1 / Does the engine run OK ?
2 / Does the gearbox work OK ?
3 / Does it pass an MOT ?
4 / Rolling restoration.
I'm not making any money on the sale, but she's is hopefully going to someone with a large barn to put her in and the tools/equipment and time to get her back on the road.
Quoting: F Body
I'm not making any money on the sale, but she's is hopefully going to someone with a large barn to put her in and the tools/equipment and time to get her back on the road.
Gonna try and get my dad's trailer back this coming weekend should know more middle of the week, but the barn now has the required space (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/up.gif)
Quoting: 55starchief
if we can get it running i want to use it to run SRS next year
(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/rock.gif)
Just need a few more MKB people to sign up and get their cars doing what they were built for. (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/cool.gif)
Quoting: Pod
Just need a few more MKB people to sign up
Well i did add a smiley for the series (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/streetracers.gif) so i hope a few more choose to take part
Quoting: Pod
Just need a few more MKB people to sign up and get their cars doing what they were built for.
If my cars ready in time...and hasn't made me bankrupt (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/down.gif)
I'm so there (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/up.gif) (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/drive.gif)
Quoting: Pod
Just need a few more MKB people to sign up and get their cars doing what they were built for.
<sigh>
Money permitting . . . . (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/confused.gif)
Quoting: Pod
Just need a few more MKB people to sign up and get their cars doing what they were built for.
I am hoping to have the stang back in a road legal condition (although not finished) by summer next year.(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/up.gif) However, at 20 I somehow think I have no chance of being insured on a 6.4 litre engine, no matter what cunning plans I can come up with(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/down.gif)
Quoting: Rob
I had a 383 Charger when I was 19.....OK so it was quite a while ago now (No Puns Please) but as long as you go limited mileage insurance its not too bad.
Oh right. Sounding better. (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/up.gif)TBH I thought I'd wait until it was on the road before ringing round for quotes. At the moment it is insured for 199 quid 1500 mile limited for my parents as it needed to be insured and I thought while it was on the road they might as well drive it
Quoting: Rob
I think its been well and truely Ho'ed
tis the mkb way mate
Quoting: Rob
Going for my 1st 100 tonight.......
getting close mate
Quoting: Rob
Do I get any Bling yet.....?
nope, infact i think the first user title is around 150
Quoting: 55starchief
nope, infact i think the first user title is around 150
I thought it was 160.... (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/dontknow.gif)
Quoting: Rob
Doh.......
Oooops....thats my century....Oh well
hey dont stop keep hoing (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/up.gif)
Quoting: Pod
Just need a few more MKB people to sign up and get their cars doing what they were built for.
What, to break down and drink fuel....(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/sad.gif)
Quoting: Titsy
What, to break down and drink fuel....
LOL the musings of a chevy owner (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/roll.gif) (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/lol.gif) (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/lol.gif) (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/lol.gif) (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/lol.gif) (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/roll.gif)
Quoting: ianjpage
LOL the musings of a chevy owner
says the person with the broken ford (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/roll.gif)
Quoting: 55starchief
says the person with the broken ford
Dang didn't think that through did i .... (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/down.gif) (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/down.gif)
Quoting: ianjpage
Dang didn't think that through did i ....
(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/owned.gif)
Quoting: ianjpage
Dang didn't think that through did i ....
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Quoting: ianjpage
to the state that they both flat and one of burst
Jeeze unless you have been (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/drive.gif) that's extreem (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/shame.gif)
Quoting: F Body
Jeeze unless you have been that's extreem
not really mate, its the front tyres that gone, i knew the outside/middle was a bit smooooth but didn't even think to check the inner edge !!
Quoting: ianjpage
didn't even think to check the inner edge !!
(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/rolleyes.gif)
Hardcore, though. (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/up.gif)
Quoting: Roadkill
Quoting: ianjpage
didn't even think to check the inner edge !!
(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/rolleyes.gif)
Hardcore, though. (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/up.gif)
Yeah but lesson learned tho, tyres will get aligned and properly checked now (specially cos they aint cheap (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/down.gif)) !!
Quoting: Roadkill
The best lessons are often the most expensive.
Sadly, Never a truer word spoken there dean
Quoting: ianjpage
Quoting: Roadkill
The best lessons are often the most expensive.
Sadly, Never a truer word spoken there dean
Yup, my lesson in 3rd gens was extremely expensive...(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/sad.gif)
Quoting: ianjpage
2 new kumho's delivered to me.....
Kumho's for the win (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/up.gif)
Quoting: F Body
Quoting: ianjpage
2 new kumho's delivered to me.....
Kumho's for the win
used to be but have moved on to hankook's now
Quoting: FUBAR
Yup, my lesson in 3rd gens was extremely expensive...
But you learned and got a stunner now!! (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/up.gif) (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/up.gif)
Quoting: F Body
Kumho's for the win
Yeah i know you had them and they seem good!
Quoting: EDGE
he Saleen has pirelli p-zero on the front
thats wot was on teh SVT to being with trouble is they only laster 16 months (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/down.gif) (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/down.gif)
Quoting: EDGE
i had hankook death sliders on the xr2 at one point.. closely followed by a pair of dark horse ditch diviners.... what a w4nk set of tires...
Well they stick ok on the chavscort and i dont exactly drive like a granny although chasing that porsch back from MK the other week they were a little livley on the twisting back roads of deanshanger then again at 105mph the whole car was pretty much on the edge, but kept with the bastid (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/beavisnbutthead.gif)
Quoting: EDGE
plus the xr2 weighed naff all
Even with you in it?
Quoting: Pod
Quoting: EDGE
plus the xr2 weighed naff all
Even with you in it?
(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/roll.gif) (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/funny.gif)