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Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: F Body on September 28, 2006, 06:07:50 pm

Ok welcome to project Trans Am.
Here she is a 1977 ( 1st UK reg in 1980 ) Pontiac Trans Am , 400ci auto.

(http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c294/fbody007/Project%20Trans%20Am/200609281656_00087.jpg)

(http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c294/fbody007/Project%20Trans%20Am/200609281656_00089.jpg)

First the good news she comes with loads of history , she has done 90 something thousand miles and had a top end rebuild and recon gearbox just before she was taken off the road.
She has been well undersealed from new and the chassis rails and sills look fine.

(http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c294/fbody007/Project%20Trans%20Am/200609281656_00090.jpg)

So what's the bad news ?
She hasn't been run for over three years , with the last 8 months being stored outside. All the hoses are shot, the choke doesn't work and
the battery has long since died.

(http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c294/fbody007/Project%20Trans%20Am/200609281656_00088.jpg)

The bottom of the front wings have gone and there's plenty of filler around.

(http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c294/fbody007/Project%20Trans%20Am/200609281657_00091.jpg)

(http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c294/fbody007/Project%20Trans%20Am/200609281657_00092.jpg)

(http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c294/fbody007/Project%20Trans%20Am/200609281657_00093.jpg)

Loads of spare parts including the original wheels & headers etc :

(http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c294/fbody007/Project%20Trans%20Am/200609281658_00094.jpg)

(http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c294/fbody007/Project%20Trans%20Am/200609281659_00095.jpg)

So what other problems have I got ?

If and it's a big "if" the engine and gearbox are OK I'm going to put her back on the road , she would make a tidy daily driver (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/wink.gif)

So that's 2nd & 4th Gen F Bodies off the list , now about that 1st Gen (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/shame.gif)

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: Incursus on September 28, 2006, 06:38:52 pm

Sweet thats the style my brother wants (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/up.gif)

shame he went and had a kid (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/wink.gif)

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: 55starchief on September 28, 2006, 06:46:53 pm

I trust it still has its pontiac heart?

Space is available at the barn if needed mate

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: F Body on September 28, 2006, 07:02:30 pm

Quoting: 55starchief

I trust it still has its pontiac heart?

As far as i can tell it's all original , re space in the barn , the problem would still be getting there (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/sad.gif)

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: 55starchief on September 28, 2006, 07:16:54 pm

Quoting: F Body

the problem would still be getting there

Hmm from memory chris hired a trailer for about £50

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: FUBAR on September 28, 2006, 10:43:06 pm

Quoting: F Body

the problem would still be getting there

I think Martyn means HIM getting there to work on it, its not exactly convenient from Luton...

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: FUBAR on September 28, 2006, 10:43:37 pm

It does look like a nice car though, definately potential there for a fixer-upper (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/cool.gif)

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: Incursus on September 29, 2006, 07:21:04 am

Quoting: 55starchief

Quoting: F Body
the problem would still be getting there

Hmm from memory chris hired a trailer for about £50

Indeed i did (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/up.gif)

A place in leighton (also have a place in Northampton i believe)

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: Jamieg285 on September 29, 2006, 08:10:53 am

Doesn't look too bad.  Certainly looks like the original motor.

Lower wings always go (all have on both mine), but patch panels are cheap and easily available.

I'd also check the floor pans, specifically under the front feet area where it runs from floor to firewall, and under the rear seats.

Did you check the rear frame, specifically where it curves up in front of the axle, and the arms either side of the tank?

I notice there's no seal on the trunk.  What's the floor in there like? Thy're notorious for leaks too, even with the seals.

The other area to check for rust - if possible, is round the front and rear screens. Water can get trapped behind the trim.

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: Roadkill on September 29, 2006, 08:25:51 am

Looks good, Martyn.

A bit of a surprise, really.  A good one though. (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/up.gif)

What exactly do you want from this car ?

ie. What do you want it to do ?

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: Roadkill on September 29, 2006, 08:27:48 am

Also - looking at the engine bay - I reckon I could have fun "trimming off some weight" if you're thinking of dragging her.

(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/cool.gif)

(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/drive.gif)

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: 55starchief on September 29, 2006, 08:49:58 am

Quoting: Roadkill

Also - looking at the engine bay - I reckon I could have fun "trimming off some weight" if you're thinking of dragging her.

Also if it is a poncho motor its gonna make more TQ than a cheby lump and i can easily get hold of some tune up parts

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: Roadkill on September 29, 2006, 09:08:04 am

Maybe take that crap out of the trunk . . . that'll make it go faster. (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/up.gif)

(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/tongue.gif)

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: F Body on September 29, 2006, 10:23:14 am

Quoting: Jamieg285

Did you check the rear frame, specifically where it curves up in front of the axle, and the arms either side of the tank?

Looked sound as did the front spring mounts (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/wink.gif)

Quoting: FUBAR

It does look like a nice car though, definately potential there for a fixer-upper

Could be the best £200 I've spent (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/grin.gif)

Anyone know how wide across the wheels she is ?
I've got a 4x4 & car transporter trailer sorted for £20 (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/up.gif)
Which is  63" wide max on the ramps , the aftermarket wheels are mega wide but I can swop them for the originals to reduce the width if needed.

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: FUBAR on September 29, 2006, 10:27:39 am

Quoting: F Body

Could be the best £200 I've spent  

(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/shame.gif) (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/shame.gif) (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/shame.gif)
(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/up.gif)

You could almost use it for a Staples ==> Naples car!!! (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/rofls.gif)

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: Roadkill on September 29, 2006, 10:30:12 am

Quoting: F Body

Could be the best £200 I've spent

(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/shame.gif)

You B@st@rd !!!

Worth it for the Lump alone !!

So, do tell . . how did you come across this little gem ?

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: 55starchief on September 29, 2006, 10:30:27 am

Quoting: F Body

Could be the best £200 I've spent

Damn thats a bargain

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: FUBAR on September 29, 2006, 10:44:55 am

Quoting: 55starchief

Quoting: F Body
Could be the best £200 I've spent

Damn thats a bargain

Hell yeah, there's work to be done but not a massive amount! and you get left with a tidy 2nd gen.
I do like those shaker hoods too (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/cool.gif)

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: 55starchief on September 29, 2006, 10:49:52 am

If it is a poncho 400 block there is easily 500hp accessable without a massive amount of work. All depends on the head numbers, pretty good chance it will have a 'N' crank aswell.

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: Incursus on September 29, 2006, 10:54:52 am

Sweeeeeet (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/up.gif)

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: Roadkill on September 29, 2006, 10:55:07 am

Quoting: F Body

Usual story

Not, it's not a usual story . . . . wish it happened to me more often  . . . .  (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/chiny.gif)

Or maybe not . . . . (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/tongue.gif)

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: F Body on September 29, 2006, 11:03:22 am

Quoting: F Body

Anyone know how wide across the wheels she is ?

Exterior
Length 195.601 in | 4968.3 mm.  
Width 74.501 in | 1892.3 mm.  # Still can't find an across the wheel width ?
Height 52.101 in | 1323.4 mm.  
Wheelbase 101.101 in | 2568 mm.

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: Jamieg285 on September 29, 2006, 11:09:11 am

Well I can tell you from experience, the rear arches are the widest part of the car - wider than the mirrors!!

From the pics it looks like the wheels are flush, or possibly even protruding (hence the 'extensions')

If you decide to break rather than restore, I might be interested in a few bits and bobs

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: Roadkill on September 29, 2006, 11:20:32 am

Quoting: Jamieg285

If you decide to break rather than restore

For £200 I think you'd be daft NOT to have a go at restoring her . . . You've not got much to lose.

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: 55starchief on September 29, 2006, 11:28:09 am

Quoting: Roadkill

For £200 I think you'd be daft NOT to have a go at restoring her . . . You've not got much to lose.

Indeed or sell it to me and i will drag that biatch

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: F Body on September 29, 2006, 03:23:55 pm

Parking space sorted !

£15 per month to park the Panda on next doors drive 24/7 and the Trans Am can go in front of the front door (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/up.gif)

3.2 V6 Frontera sorted from work for towing duty , just need to measure Jamie's wheels on Sunday to check there no more than 63 " wide and will fit the trailer I want to borrow (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/dontknow.gif)

I love it when a plan comes to together (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/tongue.gif)

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: Roadkill on September 29, 2006, 03:54:02 pm

Quoting: F Body

just need to measure Jamie's wheels on Sunday to check there no more than 63 " wide

Err, that's only 5' 3".

I'd guess more like 73", not 63" . . . .

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: Jamieg285 on September 29, 2006, 04:29:42 pm

Quoting: Roadkill

Err, that's only 5' 3".

I'd guess more like 73", not 63" . . . .

A couple of scaffold planks, strategically placed.....  (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/devil.gif)

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: F Body on September 29, 2006, 04:35:29 pm

Or use two space saver spare wheels , one from the van and the other from the Camaro (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/wink.gif)

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: philoldsmobile on September 29, 2006, 04:37:16 pm

Quoting: 55starchief

Also if it is a poncho motor its gonna make more TQ than a cheby lump and i can easily get hold of some tune up parts

looks like its a poncho motor to me, but it could also be an oldsmobile motor as that was about the time they changed to the 403 olds..

both were badged as 6.6 so i'm guessing the 400 badge on the cowl is a) non origional or b) its the ponch engine...

FWIW, stock the 400 ponch isn't a powerhouse, and the 403 olds is even less so...

in fact, the 1/4 mile is within 1/2 a second of a mustang V6, and the 0 - 60 is slower
google returned 1976 Pontiac Trans Am 400:  0 - 60 9.8   1/4 16.8

nice find, and a great looking car..

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: F Body on September 29, 2006, 04:39:23 pm

Quoting: philoldsmobile

nice find, and a great looking car..

Well you know I've been hankering after a second gen as well , along with a few others LOL

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: Jamieg285 on September 29, 2006, 05:29:15 pm

Rear wheel measurements.

Outer edge-Outer edge = 70"

Outer edge-Wheel arch = 3" per side.

Therefore, my guess on this other one is 76"


I can lend you a 3rd space saver it it helps (for the front)

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: 55starchief on September 29, 2006, 06:21:49 pm

Quoting: philoldsmobile

looks like its a poncho motor to me, but it could also be an oldsmobile motor as that was about the time they changed to the 403 olds..

both were badged as 6.6 so i'm guessing the 400 badge on the cowl is a) non origional or b) its the ponch engine...

FWIW, stock the 400 ponch isn't a powerhouse, and the 403 olds is even less so...

Wrong

the 1977 TA came with a 400/403 as standard and the T/A6.6 as an option

they made 68,745 trans ams in 77 out of a total 155,736 firebirds

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: philoldsmobile on September 29, 2006, 07:01:11 pm

Quoting: 55starchief

the 1977 TA came with a 400/403 as standard

the 403 is the oldsmobile engine.. 400 or 403 are both generalised as 6.6, and  the 403 was never badged as such, wearing T/A 6.6 badges instead.. that is why the 400 badge sugests to me its probably not the oldsmobile engine, unless its a 400 decal someone put on there for the hell of it..

 the last of them had the 403 olds engine, and was cirtainly available in 79

http://www.iwaynet.net/~gl&lisk/1977ta.html

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: Rocky on October 02, 2006, 07:01:27 pm

Dont want to sell it do you, im going to look at one tomorrow been looking for ages for a good one

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: 55starchief on October 02, 2006, 07:05:37 pm

Quoting: philoldsmobile

the 403 is the oldsmobile engine.. 400 or 403 are both generalised as 6.6, and the 403 was never badged as such, wearing T/A 6.6 badges instead.. that is why the 400 badge sugests to me its probably not the oldsmobile engine, unless its a 400 decal someone put on there for the hell of it..

wrong wrong wrong wrong

the 400 and 403 were never badged as T/A6.6

the T/A 6.6 was a totally different model stick to your 3rd gens and leave the pontiacs to them that know

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: F Body on October 02, 2006, 07:14:33 pm

Just spent my first three hours working on the TA (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/wink.gif)

Prop shaft is off :

(http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c294/fbody007/Project%20Trans%20Am/200610021730_00100.jpg)

But the old girl still wouldn't budge (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/down.gif)
Took off the near side drum and it was fine with good looking shoes :

(http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c294/fbody007/Project%20Trans%20Am/200610021734_00101.jpg)

Found the problem on the off side with the drum being almost welded on (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/mad.gif)
Time to bring out " Black Beauty " !

(http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c294/fbody007/Project%20Trans%20Am/200610021730_00099.jpg)

The shoes and drum have grooves about 10mm deep in them :

(http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c294/fbody007/Project%20Trans%20Am/200610021830_00102.jpg)

(http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c294/fbody007/Project%20Trans%20Am/200610021830_00103.jpg)

Once I could actually move her away from the wall I finally got to she her rear end - nice ass (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/cool.gif)

(http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c294/fbody007/Project%20Trans%20Am/200610021845_00106-1.jpg)

Also found a Haynes and a Chiltern workshop manual in the boot :

(http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c294/fbody007/Project%20Trans%20Am/200610021833_00104.jpg)

After lying under her tonight she seems to be pretty solid , one of the rear wheel nuts is stripped but the tyres look sound.
After reviewing all the paperwork I reakon she was last on the road just over four years ago.

The plan now is to have her "recovered" home on Wednesday morning for £40

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: Jamieg285 on October 02, 2006, 09:04:08 pm

Ooh, can I borrow 'Black Betty'?  One of my drums is wedging itself on around the center.  Got it off once to re-do the internals, but I can't get it off again to see if the adjusters are working.  Once off, I'll take the file to it to give a bit more clearance.

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: art b on October 02, 2006, 09:52:21 pm

nice one martyn ya have done well for 200 bucks !(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/up.gif)
when ya was discribing it on sat i thought it was a real shed, looks quite good in body and mechanicaly,
needs a polish though!!!!!! pmsl
so is the 4th gen going or areyou just collecting?(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/tongue.gif)

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: MaryAnn on October 03, 2006, 01:19:24 am

I like!!(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/grin.gif)

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: F Body on October 03, 2006, 04:24:40 am

Quoting: art b

so is the 4th gen going or areyou just collecting?

As if the 4th Gen is a keeper !

Just adding to the F Body fleet (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/shame.gif)

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: Rob on October 03, 2006, 07:20:31 am

Nice addition though....for 200 quid, can't go wrong(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/cool.gif)

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: 55starchief on October 03, 2006, 07:32:55 am

Quoting: MaryAnn

I like!!

Well im sure if martyn needs any help your the first person on his list with your TA being such a sweet ride maryann

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: Roadkill on October 03, 2006, 08:40:08 am

Quoting: F Body

Just adding to the F Body fleet

(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/up.gif)

That's the spirit . . . .

I got an "interesting" Third Gen for you if you're looking to further the "family" . . . (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/wink.gif)

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: 55starchief on October 03, 2006, 09:01:28 am

here you go martyn something to aim for

[img]http://www.mkb.cc/forum/index.php?action=downloadfile&topic=438&upfile=50705&sub=1\" border=\"0\"  alt=\"\" width=150>

Both of maryann's cars along with a selection of trophies the cars have picked up

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: F Body on October 03, 2006, 05:08:32 pm

Quoting: Jamieg285

Ooh, can I borrow 'Black Betty'?

Black Beauty ! Zoe named it after painting it with the only spray paint I had which was black.

Pop round anytime Mate it's in the back of the GMC.

Safety First :

You may have noticed that a use a very long extension bar when tightening it up , that's because some dodgy geezer did the welding ( yep me ).
So in the unlikely event of a weld failing it's less likely to hit you in the face (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/wink.gif)

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: art b on October 03, 2006, 08:46:45 pm

Quoting: F Body

As if the 4th Gen is a keeper !

Just adding to the F Body fleet

not long ago you was toying with the idea of a change,(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/confused.gif)
and said the 4th gen was getting "tatty"......(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/shame.gif)

any way ya can never have toooooooooooooo many cars......(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/tongue.gif) (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/tongue.gif) keep up the good work,good luck with it another saved from the scrapper!!!!(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/up.gif)

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: Roadkill on October 03, 2006, 10:48:57 pm

Quoting: art b

and said the 4th gen was getting "tatty"......

And I said he was mental. (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/lol.gif)

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: art b on October 04, 2006, 08:47:33 am

Quoting: Roadkill

And I said he was mental.

well that goes with out saying (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/smirk.gif)

let us know when ya want any help wiff ya project martyn,be glad to lend a hand(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/tongue.gif)

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: F Body on October 04, 2006, 09:21:29 am

Quoting: Roadkill

And I said he was mental.

Got the Certificate (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/lol.gif)

Quoting: art b

let us know when ya want any help wiff ya project martyn,be glad to lend a hand

A couple of grand would be handy (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/tongue.gif)

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: F Body on October 04, 2006, 09:22:48 am

Going over to "recover" the old girl at 12:00pm so that leaves me with plenty of Ho'ing time (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/smirk.gif)

Pictures later (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/wink.gif)

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: F Body on October 04, 2006, 03:34:05 pm

After nearly six hours of trouble and strife she's home (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/up.gif)
Gotta run the kids to dance class and then I'll update you all (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/wink.gif)

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: Roadkill on October 04, 2006, 03:44:08 pm

Quoting: F Body

she's home

(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/rock.gif)

(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/drive.gif) - or not as the case may be . . . .

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: F Body on October 04, 2006, 04:57:02 pm

Well here's a run down on todays recovery :

Left the house just after 11:00am to get to Dunstable in plenty of time before the 12:00pm recovery booking.
Just joining the M1 when saidrecovery man rings me to tell me he's on his way and has just left Flitwick.
I arrive at the Trans Am and have just enough time to unlock it and push it forwards before he arrives.
So far so good !
Now it starts to horribly wrong, he is driving a huge van with the longest trailer I've ever seen (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/shame.gif)
Oh I say I thought you coming with a flat bed ?
Was going to but that went out to an accident on the M1 (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/mad.gif)
So after about 10 minutes he has the trailing roughly in postion, out he gets with a jump starter pack ?
Err I did tell you it's a non runner ?
Well we'll see he say's , well even if it does start , it hasn't got any water in the radiator and the prop shaft has been removed !
OK how are we going to get it onto the trailer - feking good question (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/mad.gif)
He opens up the back of the van and pulls out a winch, after about half an hour buggering about she's on the trailer :

(http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c294/fbody007/Project%20Trans%20Am/200610041157_00087.jpg)

But not without losing most of the transmission fluid out of the prop shaft housing (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/sad.gif)

(http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c294/fbody007/Project%20Trans%20Am/200610041157_00088.jpg)

But at least it was good clean red fluid (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/up.gif)

So off we go :

(http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c294/fbody007/Project%20Trans%20Am/200610041214_00089.jpg)


Joining the M1 :

(http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c294/fbody007/Project%20Trans%20Am/200610041215_00090.jpg)

Once we get back to my gaff he say's that there is no way of getting the huge trailer anywhere near the drive (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/mad.gif)

Oh we'll roll it down the hill he say's , should be interesting without any brakes (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/shame.gif)
So we now spend nearly two hours chocking and re-chocking the wheels until it's near the drive.
The driver, myself and Management then try to push it up the drive, jeez it must weigh about 3 tons !
After 45 minutes we manage to get it half onto the drive and give up !
The driver makes his excuses and leaves with the £40 he quoted, wasn't go to pay any more (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/mad.gif)

(http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c294/fbody007/Project%20Trans%20Am/200610041304_00091.jpg)

(http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c294/fbody007/Project%20Trans%20Am/200610041304_00092.jpg)

Plan "A" was to leave it until tonight and get some help ?
Soon abandoned that plan because of my friendly neighbours don't like me having more than one car !
So onto plan "B" , take the Camaro winch out of the garage and jam it between the garage and under stairs cupboard doors ( good bodge )

(http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c294/fbody007/Project%20Trans%20Am/200610041329_00093.jpg)

(http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c294/fbody007/Project%20Trans%20Am/200610041329_00094.jpg)

Winch car backwards and forwards into place (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/up.gif)
However even with all four wheels chocked she still slides forwards without a handbrake or gear lock (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/down.gif)
So I jack her up whilst still on the winch and re-fit the prop shaft :

(http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c294/fbody007/Project%20Trans%20Am/200610041422_00095.jpg)

Whilst also noticing that the exhaust system looks brand new , well never really used (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/wink.gif)

I finally get her in place and locked in gear so she isn't going anywhere, yes she's a tight fit as the sponge proves :

(http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c294/fbody007/Project%20Trans%20Am/200610041501_00098.jpg)

She overhangs a couple of inches at the point , but I think it's OK !

(http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c294/fbody007/Project%20Trans%20Am/200610041501_00099.jpg)

(http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c294/fbody007/Project%20Trans%20Am/200610041541_00101.jpg)

So what to do now ?
Put the winch back into the garage and put all the tools away, then looking at the sorry state of her time for a quick polish ( still no polishing Smilie )
Two reasons for this , firstly becuase she will look less like a junker to the neighbours and secondly becuase she will get a little protection from the weather.
And here's she is :

(http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c294/fbody007/Project%20Trans%20Am/200610041542_00102.jpg)

(http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c294/fbody007/Project%20Trans%20Am/200610041542_00104.jpg)

(http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c294/fbody007/Project%20Trans%20Am/200610041542_00103.jpg)

(http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c294/fbody007/Project%20Trans%20Am/200610041543_00105.jpg)

(http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c294/fbody007/Project%20Trans%20Am/200610041601_00107.jpg)

Wasn't bad for the money !

(http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c294/fbody007/Project%20Trans%20Am/DSC00828.jpg)

Still loads to do but I'm done for today , I think I've broken my back trying to push the b!tch (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/sad.gif)

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: 55starchief on October 04, 2006, 05:26:26 pm

Martyn,

If you pm me the chassis  number i will decode it for you, also if you can get the casting number off of the heads i can identify those aswell. It should be over the center exhaust ports

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: F Body on October 04, 2006, 05:40:32 pm

Quoting: 55starchief

If you pm me the chassis number i will decode it for you, also if you can get the casting number off of the heads i can identify those aswell. It should be over the center exhaust ports

Cheers Mate I'll do it tomorrow it's going dark now (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/wink.gif)

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: F Body on October 04, 2006, 05:50:08 pm

Interesting here's shot of the speedo today :

(http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c294/fbody007/Project%20Trans%20Am/200610041423_00097.jpg)

It's showing 92,491 miles and here's the gearbox receipt showing 92,489 !

(http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c294/fbody007/Project%20Trans%20Am/DSC00827.jpg)

So it's only done 2 miles since the rebuild ?
That or the speedo doesn't work ??

The engine top end rebuild was done at 90,625

(http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c294/fbody007/Project%20Trans%20Am/DSC00830.jpg)

That's £1,184.64 and only 1,866 miles ago (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/shame.gif)
It also included the exhaust system and Headman headers !

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: Mustangus on October 04, 2006, 05:56:15 pm

Looking sweet (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/up.gif)
I love how mean the front end of those look

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: Rocky on October 04, 2006, 06:51:23 pm

Looking good mate i went to see one yesterday it was a POS and the guy was asking £3200 so you got a bargain with yours,I think im going to import one now as i have been looking for ages and havent found what im after.

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: F Body on October 04, 2006, 06:57:23 pm

Quoting: F Body

Still loads to do but I'm done for today

I lied (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/tongue.gif)

I've just started clearing the car out , here's the haul so far :

4 original good condition gold Pontiac wheels ( tyres knackered ).
1 set of GM front disc pads.
1 set of original Pontiac Headers.
1 fan belt.
1 set of jump leads.
1 large box of exhaust hangers/brackets/rubbers etc.
Couple of litres of Castrol High Mileage GTX.
Couple of litres of Anti-freeze.
1 bottle of Redex.
Some sort of GM electrical relay still in box.
The retaining clip for the shaker hood cowl.

(http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c294/fbody007/Project%20Trans%20Am/200610041940_00087.jpg)

(http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c294/fbody007/Project%20Trans%20Am/200610041941_00088.jpg)

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: EDGE on October 04, 2006, 09:43:33 pm

where on earth did you find that !!!!!!!

EDGE

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: Incursus on October 05, 2006, 07:48:11 am

Looking good (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/up.gif)

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: F Body on October 05, 2006, 11:59:48 am

You'll be pleased to know that the Trans Am's previous owner is following this thread and I've invited him to post (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/wink.gif)

Correction : The Trans Am's two previous owners (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/shame.gif)

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: Roadkill on October 05, 2006, 01:56:48 pm

Quoting: F Body

You'll be pleased to know that the Trans Am's previous owner is following this thread and I've invited him to post

(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/hello.gif)

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: Roadkill on October 05, 2006, 02:02:40 pm

I'll say again : You Lucky, lucky, lucky B@stard.

She's a beut.

Nice trick with the winch BTW . . . . (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/cool.gif)

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: F Body on October 05, 2006, 04:11:19 pm

I'll stop the B!tch rolling down the drive (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/up.gif)

(http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c294/fbody007/Project%20Trans%20Am/200610051658_00090.jpg)

(http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c294/fbody007/Project%20Trans%20Am/200610051700_00091.jpg)

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: Roadkill on October 05, 2006, 04:22:22 pm

(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/rolleyes.gif)

The only downside to using visable methods of stopping a car rolling is the potential for little scroats to see them and think it funny to remove them.

(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/mad.gif)

When I chock a car I try to do it so it's out of view.

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: F Body on October 05, 2006, 04:28:30 pm

Quoting: Roadkill

The only downside to using visable methods of stopping a car rolling is the potential for little scroats to see them and think it funny to remove them

Yep thought about that but it's still in gear and it's still creeping down the drive, so I figured two days and you won't be able to get them out without jacking it up (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/wink.gif)

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: F Body on October 05, 2006, 06:11:10 pm

OK got the battery on charge which has allowed me to start checking the electrics.

(http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c294/fbody007/Project%20Trans%20Am/200610051757_00092.jpg)

Plently of blown bulbs (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/sad.gif)

(http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c294/fbody007/Project%20Trans%20Am/200610051807_00094-1.jpg)

(http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c294/fbody007/Project%20Trans%20Am/200610051857_00096.jpg)

Top tip here for all car mechanics ?
When you have to buy a replacement bulb always buy two , even more so if it's a strange fitting. All the above were replaced from my stock !

(http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c294/fbody007/Project%20Trans%20Am/200610051858_00097.jpg)

So all the lights are working , even the cool side repeaters that go out when the front indicator comes on (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/cool.gif)
The wipers , horn & ciggy lighter are fine, only two things don't work :

1 / The heater blower which might need the engine running ?

2 / The screen washers, the bottle is hanging off so I'll have to check the wires with my meter.

To dark & wet for anything else tonight, stay tuned for another exciting episode tomorrow (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/lol.gif)

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: F Body on October 05, 2006, 06:14:01 pm

Almost forgot to tell you about the very loud radio/cassette and cool 1970's graphic equalizer :

(http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c294/fbody007/Project%20Trans%20Am/200610051827_00095.jpg)

Takes me back to Saturday Night Fever (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/lol.gif)

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: 55starchief on October 05, 2006, 06:17:40 pm

You really have got a great little car there mate, definatly worth spending some money when you have some spare. You gonna be joining the pontiac owners club (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/roll.gif)

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: F Body on October 05, 2006, 07:57:14 pm

Quoting: 55starchief

If you pm me the chassis number i will decode it for you, also if you can get the casting number off of the heads i can identify those aswell. It should be over the center exhaust ports

Vin number is :

2T87U7N181896

Can't see any numbers around the exhaust ports (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/dontknow.gif)

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: 55starchief on October 05, 2006, 08:02:55 pm

2=Pontiac
T=Firebird
87=2 door HT coupe
U=V8 305 4BBL
7=1977
N=Norwood,ohio
181896 is the sequential serial number

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: Titsy on October 05, 2006, 08:14:48 pm

Quoting: 55starchief

V8 305 4BBL

(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/confused.gif)

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: F Body on October 05, 2006, 08:14:52 pm

Quoting: 55starchief

U=V8 305 4BBL

?

Just been reading up on the 1977 engine options at :

http://www.iwaynet.net/~gl&lisk/transam.html

At the end of the '76 model year, the 455 finally was laid to rest.
Instead of the 455, a pair of  400's and a (gasp) Oldsmobile 403 could be ordered up.
The standard (RPO L78) Pontiac 400 (engine code XA ) was mostly carryover from '76, producing 180hp @ 3600 rpm and 325 lb/ft of torque at 1600 rpm.
The new for 1977 Oldsmobile 403 V8 as an no-charge optional powerplant for all California and high-altitude residences.
These (code U2, U3 high altitude and VA, VB when destined for California) engines are easily identified by the oil fill neck at the very front of the engine.
Horsepower figures for the 403 were 185@3600 rpm, good for a 5 hp bump over the Pontiac 400, yet netted five less Lb/ft of torque (320) at a peakier 2200 rpm.
A revitalized Pontiac 400 was offered in 1977 to take the place of the recently departed 455. Named "T/A 6.6" (6.6 stood for 6.6 litres or 6600 cc, denoting GM's newfound affection for the metric system)the new engine featured a bumped up compression ratio (now 8.1: vs. 7.6:1) by bolting the smaller combustion chambered cylinder heads from the Pontiac 350 onto the 400 block.
The cylinder heads were part number 500801 (the same as the 350 heads). Horsepower was bumped by twenty over the "base" Pontiac 400 motor and peak torque still equalled 325 lb/ft, but occurred 800 rpm higher in the rev range (2400 rpm). Engine ID codes for the T/A 6.6 were WV with a four speed and YG woth the automatic.


No mention of a 305 ?

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: 55starchief on October 05, 2006, 08:19:34 pm

Quoting: F Body

No mention of a 305 ?

my pontiac book lists a 301,305,350,400,403

I can check with a couple of people and make sure but its definatley on my list

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: Titsy on October 05, 2006, 08:23:28 pm

Not a 400 though....(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/down.gif)

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: F Body on October 05, 2006, 08:26:26 pm

Quoting: 55starchief

I can check with a couple of people and make sure but its definatley on my list

The previous owner is sure it's a 6.6 and some of the reciepts for parts say Pontiac 6.6 litre , but in 29 years a lot can happen (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/wink.gif)

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: 55starchief on October 05, 2006, 08:28:37 pm

Quoting: F Body

The previous owner is sure it's a 6.6 and some of the reciepts for parts say Pontiac 6.6 litre , but in 29 years a lot can happen

yup, really need an engine number to be sure, have just emailed a friend with a 77-400 in the usa to check the vin decode

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: F Body on October 05, 2006, 08:30:01 pm

Whilst going outside in the rain <again> to look for letters on the engine/head blocks ( failed again ) I noticed that she has a fuel filter just under the alternator (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/up.gif)
Stupid question of the day ?

Will she run OK on unleaded fuel ?

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: 55starchief on October 05, 2006, 08:31:00 pm

my mate decodes almost the same as me

Vin number

1st digit: GM line number: Pontiac
2nd digit: T = Esprit
3rd and 4th digits: Body type number: 87 = Sport Coupe
5th digit: Engine code: U = 305 c.i.d, 2-bbl V8 (1978)
6th digit: Last digit of model year: 7 = 1977
7th digit: Assembly plant location: N = Norwood, Ohio
8th through 13th digits:
Production number starting with 500001 for 1972 models and 100001 for 1973-80 models

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: FUBAR on October 05, 2006, 08:31:48 pm

looks like you need a block casting no to properly identify it.  besides, only 185hp from an 6.6ltr lump is just giving Shifty ammunition!! LOL (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/lol.gif)

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: Titsy on October 05, 2006, 08:35:06 pm

Quoting: FUBAR

only 185hp from an 6.6ltr lump is just giving Shifty ammunition!!

Also, how much does the car weigh? The HP/Ton must be shocking... (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/sad.gif)

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: 55starchief on October 05, 2006, 08:35:07 pm

Quoting: F Body

Will she run OK on unleaded fuel ?

yup unlead fuel was withdrawn in the usa a long time before it was over here. You can always add an aditive the castrol one is the best in my opinion

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: F Body on October 05, 2006, 08:36:00 pm

Quoting: FUBAR

besides, only 185hp from an 6.6ltr lump

Yeah but with 325ftlb of torque @2200rpm !

BHP don't mean a lot ( Civic type R ) it's "talks" which give you the shove (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/wink.gif)

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: Titsy on October 05, 2006, 08:40:14 pm

Quoting: 55starchief

yup unlead fuel was withdrawn in the usa a long time before it was over here.

You mean leaded I'm thinking....(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/smirk.gif)

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: Titsy on October 05, 2006, 08:41:53 pm

Quoting: F Body

BHP don't mean a lot ( Civic type R ) it's "talks" which give you the shove

Very true..... but if it won't do more than 50mph.....

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: 55starchief on October 05, 2006, 08:53:07 pm

Its not actualy a trans am its a firebird esprit and they made 34,548 of them this would explain the 305 motor

***EDIT***

But not the shacker hood, me thinks some one has tried to build a TA from a base model esprit

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: Rocky on October 05, 2006, 09:09:39 pm

Its definatly an Esprit they normally came with the smallest engines,Looks like it may be a Trans am clone but then if its got a 6.6 it will go like the real thing anyway

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: 55starchief on October 05, 2006, 09:15:48 pm

Quoting: Rocky

Its definatly an Esprit they normally came with the smallest engines,Looks like it may be a Trans am clone but then if its got a 6.6 it will go like the real thing anyway

Its a shame as if it was a stock esprit its more rare. If it was me i would put it back as it was and have a nicer looking car in my opinion as well as it being a little different

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: 55starchief on October 05, 2006, 09:27:31 pm

Martyn, have a look and see if you can find any other ID plates for trim spec and color as they did a limited edition skybird that was all blue even the rims

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: Rocky on October 06, 2006, 07:13:02 am

Look in the boot under the parcel shelf probably find the original colour as its the one place not alot of people respray

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: F Body on October 06, 2006, 07:17:28 am

Quoting: Rocky

Look in the boot under the parcel shelf probably find the original colour as its the one place not alot of people respray

The whole car has been heavily undersealed , even under the parcel shelf in the boot (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/shame.gif)

Probally explains why it appears to be so sound (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/wink.gif)

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: Roadkill on October 06, 2006, 09:27:20 am

Looking good Mate.

I'm still in awe at how sound she appears.

I'm tempted to take a drive to Luton and have a butchers at some point. (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/up.gif)

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: HardRockCamaro on October 06, 2006, 10:24:49 am

What a FAB car!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/up.gif)

They are SO cool!!!!!


Recent transmission rebuild, recent top end rebuild, body generally in good shape, good interior.

£200 ?!?!?!?!?!


How in the name of all that is sweet good and pure did you manage that?!?!
(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/shame.gif)

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: FUBAR on October 06, 2006, 10:27:01 am

Quoting: HardRockCamaro

How in the name of all that is sweet good and pure did you manage that?!?!

I know, I have to say I'm just slightly jealous (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/up.gif) Fair play though Lucky Lucky Lucky B*****d (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/cool.gif)

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: Roadkill on October 06, 2006, 10:33:10 am

Quoting: FUBAR

slightly jealous

I'd say I was Very Jealous TBH.

B@stard !

(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/tongue.gif)

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: FUBAR on October 06, 2006, 10:36:47 am

Quoting: FUBAR

I'm just slightly jealous

Thats whats implied m8 (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/up.gif)

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: Roadkill on October 06, 2006, 10:53:19 am

Quoting: FUBAR

Thats whats implied m8

Oh . . . . . Too late in the week for thinking, me thinks. (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/confused.gif)

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: FUBAR on October 06, 2006, 10:54:25 am

Quoting: Roadkill

Too late in the week for thinking, me thinks.

Indeed, my level of enthuasium for work is about the same as your avatar at the moment... (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/tongue.gif)

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: 55starchief on October 06, 2006, 10:55:08 am

Quoting: FUBAR

enthuasium for work

quit bitchin and start looking then

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: Roadkill on October 06, 2006, 10:55:42 am

Ahh, Brian.

He sums things up for me quite nicely at the mo. (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/cool.gif)

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: 55starchief on October 06, 2006, 10:56:56 am

Quoting: Roadkill

He sums things up for me quite nicely at the mo.

and he can lick his own balls (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/roll.gif)

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: Roadkill on October 06, 2006, 10:58:05 am

Quoting: 55starchief

and he can lick his own balls

Quoting: Roadkill

sums things up for me quite nicely at the mo

Not entirely, then . . . . (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/smirk.gif)

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: FUBAR on October 06, 2006, 10:58:51 am

Quoting: Roadkill

Quoting: 55starchief
and he can lick his own balls

Quoting: Roadkill
sums things up for me quite nicely at the mo

Not entirely, then . . . .

(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/funny.gif)

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: Roadkill on October 06, 2006, 10:59:51 am

I'd give myself a bad back if I thought it was possible, though . . . . . (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/rofls.gif)

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: F Body on October 06, 2006, 11:48:04 am

Quoting: Roadkill

I'm still in awe at how sound she appears.

Well just remember to look at the pictures at the start of this thread, hopefully not a basket case but it's still very much work in progress.

Long term plans include buying a MIG welder and learning to spray (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/wink.gif)

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: Roadkill on October 06, 2006, 12:02:35 pm

Quoting: F Body

Long term plans include buying a MIG welder and learning to spray

Ditto . . . . (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/confused.gif)

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: F Body on October 06, 2006, 12:03:23 pm

Quoting: Roadkill

Ditto . . .

Any idea of prices ?

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: Roadkill on October 06, 2006, 12:08:40 pm

Quoting: F Body

Any idea of prices ?

Nope.

More then I've got is all I know . . . . . (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/down.gif)

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: Jamieg285 on October 06, 2006, 12:13:00 pm

Quoting: F Body

Long term plans include buying a MIG welder and learning to spray

If you want to borrow, just shout.  No point it sitting in my garage not doing much.

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: 55starchief on October 06, 2006, 12:15:12 pm

Quoting: F Body

Any idea of prices ?

expect to pay about £300 for a reasonable one mate

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: F Body on October 06, 2006, 12:18:58 pm

Quoting: Jamieg285

If you want to borrow, just shout.

Why I thank you kindly Sir (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/up.gif)

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: F Body on October 06, 2006, 05:41:33 pm

Today's update :

Repaired the two spilt hoses and filled her with anti-freeze :

(http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c294/fbody007/Project%20Trans%20Am/200610061806_00098.jpg)

Also repaired the bolt holding the power steering pump ( sorry crappy picture it went really dark just before it chucked it down again ).

(http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c294/fbody007/Project%20Trans%20Am/200610061806_00099.jpg)

Took the old fuel filter off coz it's toast :

(http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c294/fbody007/Project%20Trans%20Am/200610061809_00101.jpg)

Whilst taking the spark plugs out I broke one (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/mad.gif)

(http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c294/fbody007/Project%20Trans%20Am/200610061808_00100.jpg)

As luck would have it the GMC ones are the same size (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/wink.gif)

I've numbered all the plug leads and dizzy cap so hopefully I can't get them mixed up ?
Checked the engine oil and it's like new, completely crystal clear and it also looks like a new filter (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/up.gif)
Going to get a new fuel filter, refill the trans fluid and see if she runs hopefully sometime over the weekend ?
I've also bolted the battery down and replaced some missing bolts from the front cowl.
So many jobs , so little time (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/dontknow.gif)

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: 55starchief on October 06, 2006, 05:45:15 pm

do we have an engine number yet?

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: F Body on October 06, 2006, 05:50:53 pm

Quoting: 55starchief

do we have an engine number yet?

All I can see above the rear spark plugs are the letters D & N ?

Can't find a proper number or code, there is no way it's a 305 it's just too big, it fills the width of the engine bay to within 1/2".
It makes the Camaro's LS1 engine look small (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/shame.gif)

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: 55starchief on October 06, 2006, 06:15:30 pm

Quoting: F Body

Can't find a proper number or code, there is no way it's a 305 it's just too big, it fills the width of the engine bay to within 1/2".

All pontiac engines were the same size mate so a 455 would be the same as a 305. So don't be fooled by size.

I will ask a few questions as to where the block number is

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: 55starchief on October 06, 2006, 06:21:58 pm

ok block numbers are on the front, left of the timing cover. the casting number and date are by the dizzy hole

77 400s used x or y to start and a cast 7 by distributor

cast # of 568557 for the 400 1977-79

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: Roadkill on October 06, 2006, 11:32:53 pm

That filter looks tasty. (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/shame.gif)

(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/down.gif)

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: F Body on October 07, 2006, 10:28:10 am

Saturday update No.1.

Just got back from USless Automotive in Bedford when Jamie arrived to borrow black beauty.
I now have a new air filter spot the difference ?

(http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c294/fbody007/Project%20Trans%20Am/DSC00833.jpg)

A new stud for holding the air filter in place and a new chrome ( we like shiney (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/cool.gif) ) cleanable fuel filter. It unscrews so that you can clean it.
Also two new spark plugs ( 1 spare )

(http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c294/fbody007/Project%20Trans%20Am/DSC00834.jpg)

Only one of the headlights is toast and it's the only one which isn't a sealed beam unit ?
US Auto have them in stock but their £29.81 + vat (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/down.gif)

(http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c294/fbody007/Project%20Trans%20Am/DSC00835.jpg)

So I'm going to try and bodge it , spilt the glas from the back and try my chrome silver spray paint. Ain't gona cost anything so it's worth a try !

So I've spent £20.15p today making a total so far of £260.15p.

I've also priced ( +vat ) the following parts most of which are in stock (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/wink.gif)

Set of rear brake shoes £27.00

Foot brake cable front £27.56
Foot brake cable either side £11.95 each.

Rear Brake Cylinder £ 18.19 each.

Truck Seal Weather Strip £ 17.20.

Rear Drum £ 37.31 each - although Jamie may have a good used one (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/wink.gif)

Front Fender bottom repair panel £89.28 each (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/shame.gif)

An in line electric washer pump is less than a fiver which is better than US Auto's £35.48 (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/mad.gif)

So a quick calculation estimates another £161 inc VAT to get to MOT time, if everything else works ?
Giving an estimated total of £421.15p just to see if it fails an MOT (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/can.gif)

NB : Excludes the fender repair panels, brake drum and headlight.

Must dash I've got an engine to try and get going , more updates later !

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: HardRockCamaro on October 07, 2006, 10:30:16 am

Will be interesting to see how nice and sounds a car you can get for very little money when you're done.

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: F Body on October 07, 2006, 10:36:24 am

Quoting: HardRockCamaro

Will be interesting to see how nice and sounds a car you can get for very little money when you're done.

Indeed it will, Management has (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/mad.gif) forbidden (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/mad.gif) me to spend any more money on it this month coz we's is skint (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/down.gif)

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: Rocky on October 07, 2006, 11:43:15 am

Martin is the headlight you need the mainbeam unit i have some in stock good secondhand £5 you can always pop round to see if its the same.

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: F Body on October 07, 2006, 01:13:14 pm

Quoting: Rocky

is the headlight you need the mainbeam

It's the dipped beam unit (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/sad.gif)

Saturday update No.2.

Well I've just had to spend another £3.99 (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/down.gif)

(http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c294/fbody007/Project%20Trans%20Am/DSC00836.jpg)

She turns over and is sparking but fuel was spraying out of the upper fuel line, so I had to get some new hose. The strange thing is that the leaking bit of hose looks the best in the engine bay (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/shame.gif)

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: F Body on October 07, 2006, 02:54:57 pm

Well she runs (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/grin.gif)
Took a while to get her to fire up and had to manually close/open the non working choke.

So you might be expecting (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/manynanas.gif)

But you'd be wrong (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/sad.gif)

Tis better to have tried and failed than not to have tried at all !

It appears the engine is toast (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/down.gif)
No smoking, but terrible mechanical noise like the pistons are grinding up and down the bores.
I even took off the drive belts to check it wasn't the Alternator or water pump but it made no difference.
Here's a video of her painful running :

http://s29.photobucket.com/albums/c294/fbody007/Project%20Trans%20Am/th_MOV00001.jpg

I am absolutely gutted, I really really wanted to get her back onto the road, I've already phoned the previous owner to tell him the bad news (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/sad.gif)

Not going to do anything yet, apart from drinking lots of beer tonight (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/cheers.gif)

Thanks for taking an interest and please accept my humble apologies for failing.

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: Rocky on October 07, 2006, 03:16:20 pm

At least you didnt pay a fortune for the car to find this out, Perfect opertunity to fit a bigger engine.(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/devill.gif)

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: HardRockCamaro on October 07, 2006, 05:16:51 pm

Erm, yeah, but you can get cheap rebuild bits surely?

For what the car has cost so far...

I know Summit sell 350 Chevy (yes I know, different engine) rebuild kits which include new pistons.  You can add rods and a crank for not that much more.

Even if it cost another grand to get it running ok you'd still have something worth loads more on your hands...

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: EDGE on October 07, 2006, 11:27:17 pm

summit kits are DIRT cheap... sounds like a plan.. you'll need an engine stand too if you're gonna lift the motor out.. but apart from that you should be ok.. unless it needs a rebore.. (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/down.gif)

either way, its still dirt cheap.... but.. I call dibbs if it goes up for sale (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/up.gif)

EDGE

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: 55starchief on October 07, 2006, 11:27:30 pm

Well looks like i am going to be the new owner of this along with shifty.

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: EDGE on October 07, 2006, 11:32:44 pm

did you call dibbs ???

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: 55starchief on October 07, 2006, 11:35:26 pm

Quoting: EDGE

did you call dibbs ???

yup at the start of this thread mate

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: 55starchief on October 07, 2006, 11:37:04 pm

Quoting: 55starchief

Posted: 29 Sep 2006 12:28 - IP: 213.2.23.101
Quote Edit Delete

Quoting: Roadkill
For £200 I think you'd be daft NOT to have a go at restoring her . . . You've not got much to lose.


Indeed or sell it to me and i will drag that biatch

sorry mate, (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/wink.gif)

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: EDGE on October 07, 2006, 11:41:20 pm

lol... DAGNAMMIT..... I was just kidding dude... I figured someone would have called it before me (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/tongue.gif)

you not finnaly gonna get shifty-the-rice-boy in to some actual muscle are you (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/grin.gif)

EDGE

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: 55starchief on October 07, 2006, 11:44:28 pm

Quoting: EDGE

lol... DAGNAMMIT..... I was just kidding dude... I figured someone would have called it before me

you not finnaly gonna get shifty-the-rice-boy in to some actual muscle are you

EDGE

Well he did want to drop a turbo on it, if we can get it running i want to use it to run SRS next year. Of course a call will be made to my mate andy mitchell king of pontiac engines and see what he can do (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/devil.gif) he just did a junkyard jewel pontiac 400 motor for hot rod magazine and made well over 400hp on a very limited budget

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: EDGE on October 07, 2006, 11:53:28 pm

nice...

nowt wrong with being blown (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/wink.gif)

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: EDGE on October 07, 2006, 11:55:06 pm

if you need a hand building the engine or mapping the EFI (presumably EFI right?) or generally making it go quicker I can lend my services... might as well put this degree to work somehow...

EDGE

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: Jamieg285 on October 08, 2006, 07:10:35 am

Must be worth pulling the top end off, see if you can see what is wrong, and if it's easy(cheap) to repair?

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: F Body on October 08, 2006, 08:19:47 am

Quoting: HardRockCamaro

I know Summit sell 350 Chevy (yes I know, different engine) rebuild kits which include new pistons. You can add rods and a crank for not that much more.

Even if it cost another grand to get it running

Nice idea but on a sloping drive outside in winter it just ain't gona happen (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/sad.gif)

As I said at the start of Project Trans Am , it was a four stage project :

1 / Does the engine run OK ?

2 / Does the gearbox work OK ?

3 / Does it pass an MOT ?

4 / Rolling restoration.

I'm not making any money on the sale, but she's is hopefully going to someone with a large barn to put her in and the tools/equipment and time to get her back on the road.

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: 55starchief on October 08, 2006, 10:26:40 am

Quoting: F Body

I'm not making any money on the sale, but she's is hopefully going to someone with a large barn to put her in and the tools/equipment and time to get her back on the road.

Gonna try and get my dad's trailer back this coming weekend should know more middle of the week, but the barn now has the required space (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/up.gif)

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: Pod on October 08, 2006, 07:00:12 pm

Quoting: 55starchief

if we can get it running i want to use it to run SRS next year

(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/rock.gif)

Just need a few more MKB people to sign up and get their cars doing what they were built for.  (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/cool.gif)

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: 55starchief on October 08, 2006, 07:47:30 pm

Quoting: Pod

Just need a few more MKB people to sign up

Well i did add a smiley for the series (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/streetracers.gif) so i hope a few more choose to take part

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: Incursus on October 09, 2006, 07:23:26 am

Quoting: Pod

Just need a few more MKB people to sign up and get their cars doing what they were built for.

If my cars ready in time...and hasn't made me bankrupt (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/down.gif)

I'm so there (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/up.gif) (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/drive.gif)

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: Roadkill on October 09, 2006, 06:52:52 pm

Quoting: Pod

Just need a few more MKB people to sign up and get their cars doing what they were built for.

<sigh>

Money permitting . . . . (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/confused.gif)

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: Mustangus on October 09, 2006, 07:20:01 pm

Quoting: Pod

Just need a few more MKB people to sign up and get their cars doing what they were built for.

I  am hoping to have the stang back in a road legal condition (although not finished) by summer next year.(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/up.gif) However, at 20 I somehow think I have no chance of being insured on a 6.4 litre engine, no matter what cunning plans I can come up with(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/down.gif)

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: Rob on October 09, 2006, 07:22:44 pm

I had a 383 Charger when I was 19.....OK so it was quite a while ago now (No Puns Please) but as long as you go limited mileage insurance its not too bad.

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: Mustangus on October 09, 2006, 07:34:03 pm

Quoting: Rob

I had a 383 Charger when I was 19.....OK so it was quite a while ago now (No Puns Please) but as long as you go limited mileage insurance its not too bad.

Oh right. Sounding better. (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/up.gif)TBH I thought I'd wait until it was on the road before ringing round for quotes. At the moment it is insured for 199 quid 1500 mile limited for my parents as it needed to be insured and I thought while it was on the road they might as well drive it

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: 55starchief on October 09, 2006, 07:43:41 pm

(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/hijack4.gif)

Hey this is my transam thread now

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: Rob on October 09, 2006, 07:47:39 pm

I think its been well and truely Ho'ed(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/tongue.gif)

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: 55starchief on October 09, 2006, 07:50:13 pm

Quoting: Rob

I think its been well and truely Ho'ed

tis the mkb way mate

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: Rob on October 09, 2006, 07:51:32 pm

Going for my 1st 100 tonight.......(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/smirk.gif)

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: 55starchief on October 09, 2006, 07:54:10 pm

Quoting: Rob

Going for my 1st 100 tonight.......

getting close mate

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: Rob on October 09, 2006, 07:55:21 pm

Do I get any Bling yet.....?

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: 55starchief on October 09, 2006, 07:59:19 pm

Quoting: Rob

Do I get any Bling yet.....?

nope, infact i think the first user title is around 150

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: Rob on October 09, 2006, 08:00:38 pm

better get typing a bit quicker then......(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/mad.gif)

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: Titsy on October 09, 2006, 08:01:48 pm

Quoting: 55starchief

nope, infact i think the first user title is around 150

I thought it was 160.... (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/dontknow.gif)

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: Rob on October 09, 2006, 08:03:14 pm

Doh.......

Oooops....thats my century....Oh well(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/up.gif) (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/up.gif) (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/up.gif) (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/up.gif) (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/up.gif)

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: ianjpage on October 09, 2006, 08:27:42 pm

Quoting: Rob

Doh.......

Oooops....thats my century....Oh well

hey dont stop keep hoing (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/up.gif)

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: Titsy on October 09, 2006, 08:54:57 pm

Quoting: Pod

Just need a few more MKB people to sign up and get their cars doing what they were built for.

What, to break down and drink fuel....(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/sad.gif)

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: ianjpage on October 09, 2006, 09:31:59 pm

Quoting: Titsy

What, to break down and drink fuel....

LOL the musings of a chevy owner (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/roll.gif) (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/lol.gif) (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/lol.gif) (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/lol.gif) (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/lol.gif) (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/roll.gif)

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: 55starchief on October 09, 2006, 09:33:12 pm

Quoting: ianjpage

LOL the musings of a chevy owner

says the person with the broken ford (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/roll.gif)

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: ianjpage on October 09, 2006, 09:41:05 pm

Quoting: 55starchief

says the person with the broken ford

Dang didn't think that through did i .... (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/down.gif) (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/down.gif)

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: 55starchief on October 09, 2006, 09:43:32 pm

Quoting: ianjpage

Dang didn't think that through did i ....

(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/owned.gif)

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: ianjpage on October 09, 2006, 09:47:31 pm

Grumble grumble ....... on the flip side it will ONLY cost me 195 quid to have 2 new kumho's delivered to me.....just gorra get em fitted, balanced and tracked then........its all money  (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/down.gif) (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/down.gif)

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: Titsy on October 09, 2006, 09:47:51 pm

Quoting: ianjpage

Dang didn't think that through did i ....

(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/roll.gif)

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: Pod on October 09, 2006, 09:58:06 pm

Broken?

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: ianjpage on October 09, 2006, 10:00:07 pm

Quoting: Pod

Broken

Kinda - i got two tyres that are knackered - on the inner edge of the tyre, i gone through the outer rubber, through the canvas AND then trhough the metal and it started perrishing the inner rubber to the state that they both flat and one of burst (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/down.gif) (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/down.gif)

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: F Body on October 10, 2006, 07:03:08 am

Quoting: ianjpage

to the state that they both flat and one of burst

Jeeze unless you have been (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/drive.gif)  that's extreem (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/shame.gif)

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: ianjpage on October 10, 2006, 07:56:53 am

Quoting: F Body

Jeeze unless you have been that's extreem

not really mate, its the front tyres that gone, i knew the outside/middle was a bit smooooth but didn't even think to check the inner edge !!

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: Roadkill on October 10, 2006, 08:38:52 am

Quoting: ianjpage

didn't even think to check the inner edge !!

(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/rolleyes.gif)

Hardcore, though. (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/up.gif)

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: ianjpage on October 10, 2006, 08:43:02 am

Quoting: Roadkill

Quoting: ianjpage
didn't even think to check the inner edge !!

(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/rolleyes.gif)


Hardcore, though. (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/up.gif)

Yeah but lesson learned tho, tyres will get aligned and properly checked now (specially cos they aint cheap (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/down.gif)) !!

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: Roadkill on October 10, 2006, 08:49:23 am

Quoting: ianjpage

Yeah but lesson learned

The best lessons are often the most expensive.

Believe me, I know . . . (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/can.gif)

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: ianjpage on October 10, 2006, 10:21:52 am

Quoting: Roadkill

The best lessons are often the most expensive.

Sadly, Never a truer word spoken there dean

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: FUBAR on October 10, 2006, 11:37:49 am

Quoting: ianjpage

Quoting: Roadkill
The best lessons are often the most expensive.



Sadly, Never a truer word spoken there dean

Yup, my lesson in 3rd gens was extremely expensive...(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/sad.gif)

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: F Body on October 10, 2006, 11:39:45 am

Quoting: ianjpage

2 new kumho's delivered to me.....

Kumho's for the win (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/up.gif)

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: 55starchief on October 10, 2006, 11:41:52 am

Quoting: F Body

Quoting: ianjpage
2 new kumho's delivered to me.....


Kumho's for the win

used to be but have moved on to hankook's now

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: EDGE on October 10, 2006, 11:45:43 am

i had hankook death sliders on the xr2 at one point.. closely followed by a pair of dark horse ditch diviners.... what a w4nk set of tires...

I've got a set of Marshal's on the Oldsmobile and they are possibly the quietest and best riding tyre I have ever bought.. plus they grip like sh!t to a blanket...

The Saleen has pirelli p-zero on the front and dunlop sp9000 on the back.. absolutely awesome grip, ust incredible on the street...

EDGE

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: ianjpage on October 10, 2006, 11:49:07 am

Quoting: FUBAR

Yup, my lesson in 3rd gens was extremely expensive...

But you learned and got a stunner now!! (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/up.gif) (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/up.gif)

Quoting: F Body

Kumho's for the win

Yeah i know you had them and they seem good!

Quoting: EDGE

he Saleen has pirelli p-zero on the front

thats wot was on teh SVT to being with trouble is they only laster 16 months (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/down.gif) (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/down.gif)

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: 55starchief on October 10, 2006, 11:51:33 am

Quoting: EDGE

i had hankook death sliders on the xr2 at one point.. closely followed by a pair of dark horse ditch diviners.... what a w4nk set of tires...

Well they stick ok on the chavscort and i dont exactly drive like a granny although chasing that porsch back from MK the other week they were a little livley on the twisting back roads of deanshanger then again at 105mph the whole car was pretty much on the edge, but kept with the bastid (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/beavisnbutthead.gif)

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: EDGE on October 10, 2006, 12:19:49 pm

lol..... they were ok in a straight line but the xr2 had no body roll so any slip angle from the tyres was amplified... it was fairly scary at some points.. plus the xr2 weighed naff all so there wasnt much weight on each tyre therefore the grip coefficient was high but the ultimate grip was poo....

EDGE

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: Pod on October 10, 2006, 07:31:21 pm

Quoting: EDGE

plus the xr2 weighed naff all

Even with you in it?

Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: ianjpage on October 10, 2006, 09:21:45 pm

Quoting: Pod

Quoting: EDGE
plus the xr2 weighed naff all


Even with you in it?

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Title: # PROJECT # Trans Am - R.I.P
Post by: EDGE on October 10, 2006, 10:20:33 pm

yes even with me in it......

cheeky fooker,...

EDGE