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« Reply #50 on: October 25, 2013, 09:32:49 am »
I'm still not totally sure what this is....

I am always impressed at the amount of work you get through considering you have lots of other commitments too
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« Reply #51 on: October 25, 2013, 10:27:00 am »
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I am always impressed at the amount of work you get through considering you have lots of other commitments too


I must confess that last night I only spent an hour with the little'un after I got in from work before heading outside.  We had a cuddle after he went up to bed, though.  

He actually helped out a little the night before . . . I was assembling the U-bends from their component 90* bends and small straight pieces of pipe and he quickly figured out what bits I needed and when . . . A proud father moment, that.

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« Reply #52 on: October 25, 2013, 10:29:14 am »
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I'm still not totally sure what this is....


Oh, it's a heat exchanger . . . much like that in a central heating boiler . . .

I'm using the old BBQ chassis and its 4 burners to heat the manifolds of the exchanger while passing water through them.

Basically using gas to heat water . . .

But why, you ask . . . .

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« Reply #53 on: October 25, 2013, 10:50:03 am »
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But why, you ask . . . .


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« Reply #54 on: October 26, 2013, 04:14:05 pm »
Got the complete assembly finished late last night . . . looks fekking awesome !!!!





Next up was to cut out some bits I didn't need in the BBQ . . .



 . . . And cut out a little more to test fit . . .



Not a bad fit . . .



Although, could've been a bit better . . .




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« Reply #55 on: October 26, 2013, 04:19:12 pm »
Turn on the pump and get the exchanger full of water . . . Over 340 solder joints and I got just one leak !!!

And it's an easy one, right on the bottom in the corner . . . (I'll fix it later once it's drained)



Once I'm happy it's full of water, I turn on the burners and wait . . . (It's pool heater, by the way . . . )




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« Reply #56 on: October 26, 2013, 04:32:19 pm »
Aaaah... so THATS how you use a BBQ to heat water!


That does look pretty cool
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« Reply #57 on: October 26, 2013, 06:09:25 pm »
Yup !

I'll post the results of testing later . . .

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« Reply #58 on: October 26, 2013, 06:58:21 pm »
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(It's pool heater, by the way . . . )


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Aaaah... so THATS how you use a BBQ to heat water!


Ohhh

Although, isn't it the wrong time of year to be doing that?
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« Reply #59 on: October 26, 2013, 07:56:15 pm »
Looks good - going on the FB photo works OK then !!

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« Reply #60 on: October 27, 2013, 11:55:50 am »
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Although, isn't it the wrong time of year to be doing that?


Yes and No.

Yes, because you wouldn't be using a pool like this in Winter (this was only a experiment . . . . )

And

No, because you don't need to heat it much in Summer - only in Winter.



So.  

How did it work - Baring in mind that the capacity of the pool was around 2,100-2,200 litres (over 2 tonnes of water !!!) ?

The Results :

Reading - 1

Time : 0hr 0mins
Ambient Temp = 17*C
Pool Temp = 13.5*C
Ex. Output Temp = 14*C

Reading - 2

Time : 0hr 30mins
Ambient Temp = 17*C
Pool Temp = 15.5*C
Ex. Output Temp = 22.5*C

Reading - 3

Time : 3hr 15mins
Ambient Temp = 16*C
Pool Temp = 24*C
Ex. Output Temp = 32*C

Reading - 4

Time : 4hr 30mins
Ambient Temp = 15*C
Pool Temp = 27.5*C
Ex. Output Temp = 44*C (!!!)

At this point my rigged input hose was leaking pretty bad.  



Sorting it would've meant stopping the test and faffing about for a bit and it was getting late (we were heading out to a party a bit later) and I didn't want to risk the solder-joints overheating and melting.

So I turned the burners off, letting the pump cool the exchanger down . . . . and then did what any man would.





Overall . . .

It went really, really well.

I said previously that this would be absolute worst case scenario and this was the case for so many reasons . . .

i) The BBQ was un-insulated so the amount of heat wasted was incredible.  The next incarnation will have furnace type insulation.

ii) The lid didn't shut and there were holes ! - Obviously letting out more heat . . . The next incarnation will have a lid made to suit the exchanger.

iii) The burner positions were not ideal.  They ran perpendicular to the manifolds and I reckon turning the burners through 90 degrees would help a lot.

iv) There was no gap between the flame and the pipes . . . This meant really poor air-flow resulting in a cold flame.  The next version will have bars to lift the exchanger off a bit and vents in the top to control the air flow (hopefully to find the most efficient burn combo).

v) The water pump was pumping too fast.  It was the only pump I had available but I knew right away it was simply not giving the water enough time to heat.  I put a reducer on the outlet that probably helped but even then the average circuit heated the water by 7*C

vi) It was cold out ! - The original plan for this was so the pool could be heated in Summer just to raise the temp a few degrees to make it more comfortable for Jensen . . .

vii) The pool had no insulation or cover.  Obvious, really.

viii) I had a gas leak.  I didn't actually check the condition of the hose properly but after over three hours I noticed significant cracking in the gas pipe near the bottle.  Nothing too major (not enough to pose a danger) but  this is gas which should've been being burnt !!

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« Reply #61 on: October 27, 2013, 01:35:30 pm »
cool sounds like worked well and that it proved the concept you were after

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« Reply #62 on: October 27, 2013, 05:54:08 pm »
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The Results :


You can tell you are an engineer


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Pool Temp = 27.5*C


Bath-like.

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and then did what any man would.


Nicely done sir.
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« Reply #63 on: October 28, 2013, 09:24:32 am »
You Tart!


Good effort though

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« Reply #64 on: October 28, 2013, 11:10:29 am »
well done,
 a good bit of experience,im impressed ...

using bottled gas is an expensive way to heat water...

 you may be better of with an electric heater from a hot tub set up in the shed ...

for the cost of a few bottles of gas ...

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« Reply #65 on: October 28, 2013, 02:52:15 pm »
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using bottled gas is an expensive way to heat water...


We'll see.  Sammy's Mum's, Boyfriend's, Daughter has a hot tub and they reckon it costs about £35 - £40 to heat per MONTH using the electric heater !!!

I need to see how many hours a gas bottle will do but the bottle I used wasn't full when I started and is still over half full now (going by the meter on the valve).

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you may be better of with . . . . . a hot tub set up in the shed ...


Funny you should say that . . . . . . .

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« Reply #66 on: November 03, 2013, 12:17:03 pm »
a great improvement would have been...

 to have sammy in the pool....
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« Reply #67 on: November 04, 2013, 11:32:53 am »
I'll make a note for next time.