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Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Roadkill on January 14, 2014, 11:37:20 am

Guys,

As mentioned before I'm starting a new thread for the Cadillac.

I plan to keep the old one running for the purposes of spit-balling and general project chit-chat but this thread will be reserved for serious updates, information and pictures.

ALL pictures will be full-size . . I don't intend on thumb-nailing anything so If it's taking time loading at some point, don't complain as it'll all be worth it !

Comments and posts by others are fine, here but I'll delete anything that's too far off topic.

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The purpose of this thread is to produce a comprehensive guide to building a car.

I'm going to provide references, suppliers, specifications and contacts for anyone considering going down this route.

Lessons are best learned from other people's mistakes so if I can make the mistakes and save someone else grief then that's fine by me.

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I won't be getting my hands dirty until later this year but the project HAS started, elsewhere on the planet.

2014 will see mainly purchasing and planning from me . . .

The first real post will be the new engine specifications - shortly.

For now let's remind ourselves of how she began life :

Model 1958 Cadillac (Series 62) Sedan DeVille (Ext. Deck)
Engine 365ci V8 (1 x 4bbl Rochester)
Transmission 4spd Auto, RWD
C/R = 10.25:1
Power = 310Bhp
Torque = 405@3100
Brakes (Powered) 4 x Drums
Axle Semi-floating, 3.07 ratio
Exhaust full, dual system
Wheels Steel, 8x15

(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c307/Roadkill-Auto/IMAG0883.jpg)

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Cunning Plan on January 14, 2014, 12:51:44 pm

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Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Fieldy on January 14, 2014, 04:11:51 pm

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Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Andy on January 14, 2014, 06:51:22 pm

Do you have your new engine specs yet? Willing to publish? (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/tongue.gif)

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Roadkill on January 14, 2014, 10:01:54 pm

I know them, yeah but I'll post them in full when I receive the invoice.

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Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: art b on January 14, 2014, 10:56:24 pm

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nice one.. im in for the ride ..(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/cool.gif)

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Incursus on January 15, 2014, 07:33:27 am

Quoting: Roadkill

For now let's remind ourselves of how she began life :

With a road-trip to Kent(?) and a potato. (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/up.gif)

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Roadkill on January 15, 2014, 09:31:42 am

Quoting: Incursus

With a road-trip to Kent(?) and a potato.

And a certain somebody that should've had a sh!t before we left Ashford ! (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/rofls.gif)

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Incursus on January 15, 2014, 10:46:56 am

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Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Roadkill on January 15, 2014, 12:22:01 pm

ENGINE SPECS

Bore = 4.35"
Stroke = 4.304"
Displacement = 511.7ci (8.4 litre)
Comp Ratio = 10:1 (Approx)

Block

Cadillac 472/500, Baked and acid-dipped. Bored to +50 thou & cylinder honed,
Internal drain valley de-burr,
ARP mains studs, ARP head studs, Hex Stainless fixings elsewhere,
All brass freeze plugs,
Surface-decked and align-honed.

Crank (and rotating assembly)

Cadillac 500 crankshaft, Index ground, new bearings,
MTS Forged 6.75" "I" Beam Con Rods (pressed pin), new bearings,
MTS Forged Pistons (machined relief for bigger valves),
MTS One-piece billet Hub/balancer.
Rotating assembly balanced.

Chain / Gears

Cloyes "Street" Full-Roller Gear set.

Valve Train

MTS #15 Camshaft + Hydraulic Lifters (new bearings) -
(RPM range: 2200-5400 / Advertised duration range: 286-295* / Duration @ .050" range: 230-238* / Valve lift range: .520-.540"),
9.985" Push rods.

Rocker assembly

MTS Full Support, adjustable, (1.7 ratio) shaft rocker system.

Heads

MTS Custom Aluminium 76cc "FR" Heads, Serial Matched, CNC Stage 2 Porting,
Supports 380cfm, 2.19 Stainless Intakes Valves, 1.84 Stainless Exhaust Valves, c/w New hardware and springs.

Intake

Hells Gate Hot Rods custom kit.
Additional parts by Stromberg.
To be custom assembled on-block by Stromberg.

Carburetion (and linkage)

5 x Stromberg (standard) '97 Carburetors @162cfm,
1 x Stromberg (special) '97 Carburetor @162cfm,
Non-progressive (direct) linkage.
To be assembled and set-up by Stromberg.

Gaskets

Felpro.

Oil System

Stock, Cadillac Eldorado (rear) sump pan c/w rear pick-up & rear sump dipstick,
H/D Blueprinted Oil Pump - "G" Style.

Cooling

High-Flow (belt-driven) water pump,
180* thermostat (stock housing).

(Electric fan will be used when building the car)

Fueling

(Electric pump will be used when building the car)

Electrical

MTS (stand-alone) Electronic billet distributor and cap,
MTS E-core Coil,
Accel 8mm Wires,
NGK Spark Plugs.

Valve covers

PML Cast Aluminium raised "Cadillac" script
c/w PCV valve and Breather holes.

Misc

Pulleys - Stock steel,
Alternator - Rebuilt with stock 3-piece brackets,
Starter - New 3.0Hp Mini starter,
P/S Pump - Rebuilt

Transmission

TH400 (Cadillac / BOP) Long Tail, Gearbox,
Street Shifter (TBC),
Stall ~2000 (TBC).

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SUPPLIERS

Maximum Torque Specialties (MTS)

http://www.500cid.com/

Marty is the tech guy and who'll be doing the engine build - I met him (online) via one of the Cadillac forums.

He came up with a spec based on my original ramblings and it's grown from there. I think he was a little reluctant at first (my intake idea does directly conflict with the rest of the motor) but as we've got into it more seemed to realise where I'm coming from . . . Hopefully !

He's at

MTS (West),
13641 John Glenn Rd #B,
Apple Valley,
CA 92308,
USA

Hells Gate Hot Rods

http://www.hellsgatehotrods.com/

I originally spoke to Andy via eBay but later the deal was struck through Stromberg as they - by coincidence - knew him and got me an even better deal.

My limited dealings with Andy have been good . . he's been helpful in getting the custom kit together and wasn't phased when asked to ship to the U.K (not something he normally offers).

He's at

Hells Gate Hot Rods,
1054 Main St,
Viola,
ID 83872,
USA

Stromberg Carburetor

http://www.stromberg-97.com/index.html

I initially contacted Stromberg (who're based in the U.K !!) about some cool mugs that I was after . . . Clive, there, helped me ship 6 over from California and got me a good price on them. I then had some T-shirts off of him, too.
Momentum was building on the Cadillac-front so I contacted him regarding my stupid intake manifold idea . . . He was helpful and genuinely interested.
Without going into details on open forum, he's offered me a cracking deal on parts and labour and is taking my old 365ci motor as part payment.

I don't build Hot Rod's everyday but If I did they'd have nothing but '97's on them as these are the kind of guys you want to deal with !

He's at :

Stromberg Carburetor,
Unit 2,
Seven Acres Business Park,
Newbourne Road,
Waldringfield,
Suffolk,
IP12 4PS,
UK

PML (inc)

http://www.yourcovers.com/index.html

I've had no direct dealings with PML as Marty will be contacting them on my behalf, however they're highly regarded and I've never heard a bad word said about them.
EDIT - Forgot to say that many of their parts are officially approved by GM.

They're at :

PML (inc),
201 W. Beach Avenue,
Inglewood,
CA 90302,
USA

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Motorama on January 15, 2014, 12:55:42 pm

Hell of a spec, Stromberg set up sounds cool, I'm guessing you have plans for getting the power down, steering, stopping and corners as well.

Would possibly be interested in your old transmission depending on price, and maybe other ancillaries you junk.

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Roadkill on January 15, 2014, 01:20:58 pm

Quoting: Motorama

I'm guessing you have plans for getting the power down

Everyone's telling me to keep the stock axle . . . an LSD for it simply isn't going to happen so I need to rely on better suspension and tyres to transfer the power . . .

Quoting: Motorama

steering

The new engine is a LOT lighter than my stock one . . . there'll also be other minor savings in weight, too which'll improve things. new suspension will help and I plan to fit a much thicker sway bar.

There's not a lot more on offer, really, without front-clipping it.

Quoting: Motorama

stopping

It'll be getting front discs and modern booster/proportioning valve . . . rear discs would be nice but I have 4 brand new drums and 4 new sets of shoes which would make sense using !! We'll see.

Quoting: Motorama

corners

Without question, she's getting a Ride Tech kit - HQ Series at the front, Cool rides at the rear.

Quoting: Motorama

Would possibly be interested in your old transmission depending on price, and maybe other ancillaries you junk.

Clive wants the block but I'll confirm what ancillaries he wants closer the time . . . The trans will be available as he's got some manual Lasalle boxes that'll mate-up.

As I said, I've got 4 new drums, 4 sets of shoes, new slaves cylinders, wheel bearings, the brake master cylinder will be available and I have a rebuild kit for this . . . There's other stuff, too which I'll list when I'm preparing to pull the motor (probably around August - I want to get one more year's use out of her if I can).

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Roadkill on January 15, 2014, 06:22:35 pm

Have updated Engine spec to reflect change from +40 to +50 Thou (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/up.gif)

EDIT

Quoting: Roadkill (from the other thread)

Watch this :

http://www.powerblocktv.com/episodes/HP2012-03/the-caddy-500-other-engine-build-up

It's a highly interesting and educational film but why you ask ?

I'll tell you later.

Quoting: Roadkill

but why you ask ?

The heads used on this dyno run are the ones that are going into my build . . . not the same type, no - that actual heads you see in the video !

They're getting new valves and hardware but it did save me some $$$$

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I've also asked Marty to take some snaps along the way so I'm hoping to post some pictures within a month.

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Andy on January 16, 2014, 01:12:22 pm

Wow, what a spec (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/shame.gif)

Can I ask, is there any special reason that one carb is a 'special' while the other 5 are 'standard'? Is there any difference?

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Roadkill on January 16, 2014, 01:38:47 pm

Quoting: Andy

Can I ask

You may.

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Stromberg '97's are old carbs designed for old engines. As a result there's no option to take-off a "ported vacuum" source for modern HEI distributors (they use the vacuum to advance timing).
The "special" is an option with a custom-cast base which has a "ported" source so I can connect it to my HEI dizzy.

THAT SAID . . . With the camshaft I'm running, combined with everything else MAY mean I'm better off running "manifold vacuum".

It's one of my next questions to ask Marty as it'll effect the intake manifold design (number of ports and positions) . . . They haven't charged me extra for the "special" '97 so there'll be no cost saving.

It's a very confusing subject and many people just see "ported" vacuum as a feeble attempt at emissions control back in the day . . .

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EDIT -

I've now asked Marty about this and he advises that, for my application, ported vacuum would give the best idle as manifold vacuum will vary considerably during deceleration to idle.

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Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Roadkill on January 17, 2014, 03:31:23 pm

I've been spending far too much time reading lately (!!!) but have been doing my best to make the Cadillac Project flow as smoothly as possible.

I've slowly been researching parts available to improve suspension, brakes, power and drive ability but there's one thing I can't get away from . .

The Cadillac is an old skool "Body-over-frame" design . . . great for insulating you from the noises of the road, but flawed in many other ways.

Not initially a major concern but the more I started to remember the lay-out of the chassis, the more I got concerned . . .

Long story short, Cadillac like most GM branches (but not all) utilised the "revolutionary" X-frame chassis. It was sold as the cutting edge of design, and probably was ahead of its time for taking corner-to-corner stresses . . .

The REAL reason GM rolled this out was by loosing the side-rails offered on the older ladder-frames, they gained considerable head-room in the cabin, allowing the '57-onward Cadillacs to sit real low, yet still give buckets of headroom.

Great for looks and great for comfort AND the X-frames (with their beefy "spines") were good at resisting twist . . .

But.

With no side rails flex would be a problem . . a REAL problem.

Cadillac (Fisher) got round this by considerably strengthening the rocker-sills, adding structural folds to the floor and putting out-riggers further out to stiffen everything even further.

It worked, I'd say. My old '58 drives pretty darn well, considering . . .

However, the crucial part everyone at GM was missing was side-impact.

With the frame being essentially in the middle of the car there was (is) only sheet-metal between the passengers and side impacts.

GM later (1963 ish) went back to a ladder-frame design, but with added bracing which covered all bases pretty well . . .

Sooooo I got to thinking . . . .

Can I add side rails to my existing chassis ???

Shown below in red :

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The only thing I can think that occupies this space is the exhaust (which I plan to re-route anyway) and the park-brake cables (a relatively small hole could be added for these and still maintain integrity).

The benefits ??

i) Obviously, the passengers are greatly protected from side impact.

ii) These would offer an obvious place to mount inertia-reel seat-belts too (not decided on this yet and need to research further)

iii) As an added bonus, the stiffened chassis can only improve handling and power transfer . . . .

All this and the body would still be a bolt-on (which is what I want to retain).

Comments / opinions very welcome . . . I'm by no means an expert !!! (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/up.gif)

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: F Body on January 18, 2014, 06:45:32 pm

Quoting: Roadkill

For now let's remind ourselves of how she began life :

Always a good place to start (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/wink.gif)

EDITED

Sorry, Martyn.

I edited-out the pictures from this post . . . The two girls draped over my Caddy actually give me cold-shivers every time I scroll passed them, so they had to go, I'm afraid.

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: F Body on January 18, 2014, 09:18:51 pm

Or when new, one of 23,989 manufactured that year and I believe the colour is Peacock (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/chiny.gif)

(http://ccco.s3.amazonaws.com/kb_photos/284/2233_7_low_res.jpg)

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Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Andy on January 18, 2014, 09:39:11 pm

Is it weird that I think that chassis looks hot without a body on it?!

Also, that rear suspension, is that shocks and what look like airbags or something? No springs?

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Roadkill on January 19, 2014, 08:10:01 pm

Air springs were experimental and I believe first offered on the 1958 model.

Unfortunately, they weren't very reliable so got canned.

To answer your question, yes, they're air springs.

Agree re the chassis looking good "naked" there's something very raw about it.

Also - regarding the models shown with my '58 ...... It's a sad day for the future of modelling when your wife looks better draped across the bonnet !!

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Roadkill on January 21, 2014, 11:23:30 am

Deposit's been paid for the engine. (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/sofa.gif)

Rotating assembly is out for balancing. (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/up.gif)

Based on discussions, the engine should be finished in early March, with the transmission around the same time . . . .

. . . I'm not rushing him, though. It means I have to find his money earlier if I do. (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/sofa.gif)

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: ianjpage on January 21, 2014, 12:02:57 pm

Quoting: Roadkill

Deposit's been paid for the engine

(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/up.gif) (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/rock.gif) sweet - project is technically underway then !!

Quoting: Roadkill

the engine should be finished in early March

Cool, what's the approx delivery timeframe or is that the delivery date

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Roadkill on January 21, 2014, 12:20:32 pm

I'll see . . . I'll probably make another payment in February, then try and drag the final payment into March.

It'll be shipped to Long Beach, Ca, where it'll be shipped by sea to Felixstowe . . . from there it'll go straight to Stromberg so they can build the intake.

I reckon it'll be here maybe July . . ?

I don't actually want it until September so I'm not pushing anyone. (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/tongue.gif)

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Cunning Plan on January 21, 2014, 12:51:35 pm

Quoting: Roadkill

It'll be shipped to Long Beach, Ca, where it'll be shipped by sea to Felixstowe . . . from there it'll go straight to Stromberg so they can build the intake.

Exciting. (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/lalala.gif)

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Roadkill on January 21, 2014, 05:19:43 pm

Pinged an email off regarding brakes . . . question is do I want to fork out another $1000 just to say I've got rear discs !!???

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Suspension next.

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Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: FUBAR on January 21, 2014, 06:21:54 pm

This is all getting very interesting (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/cool.gif)

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Andy on January 21, 2014, 08:53:05 pm

Quoting: Roadkill

Pinged an email off regarding brakes . . . question is do I want to fork out another $1000 just to say I've got rear discs !!???

What wheels are you going to be running?

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Roadkill on January 23, 2014, 01:53:13 pm

I'm not sure yet. Probably plain black or red steelies. I'm not a fan of alloys on old cars ....

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Cunning Plan on January 23, 2014, 02:13:29 pm

Quoting: Roadkill

I'm not a fan of alloys on old cars ....

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Unless they are 'classic'-looking alloys.

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Roadkill on January 24, 2014, 04:55:03 pm

Sorry, in a bid to provide as much info about the build I completely forgot to add that when transferring money to the states, I opted for a company called Currencies Direct.

http://www.currenciesdirect.com/

I set up an account using their iPayFX system.

The plus sides are there's NO charges and you can set up everything yourself by putting in the details . . .

For example : My bank were offering a rate of $1.550 / £1 (when the actual rate was $1.635 / £1) PLUS a fee of £9.50.

Currencies Direct offered $1.622 / £1 and NO further fees . . . . because I opted to pay C.D via a debit card (as they're a U.K-based company) I didn't get charged by the Bank, either.

As a plus the receiver (Marty) only got charged $20 receiving fee from his bank when normally it's $30 (although this could be coincidental).

My only issue, now, is finding other companies who'll let me do a direct transfer to their banks (and who I feel comfortable paying in this manner).

I'm not recommending this because : blah, blah, blah, disclaimer, disclaimer disclaimer etc . . . . BUT it worked for me and is how I'll be paying Marty (at least) in the future.

Plus I stopped the bank from getting a chunk of my money !! F**kers !!! (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/headbang.gif)

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Roadkill on February 12, 2014, 10:11:28 am

Update on the engine :

The block-machining work is done. Still waiting on the rotating assembly to come back then it'll start going together very quickly !

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Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Cunning Plan on February 12, 2014, 11:12:29 am

I like pictures (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/sad.gif)

Is it unreasonable for you to ask them for pictures? (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/pokey.gif)

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Roadkill on February 12, 2014, 11:20:31 am

I have asked him for pictures and he'll be taking some . . . . I think HE thinks that nothing has happened yet that warrants taking any pictures . . . .

I'd be happy just seeing a bare block !!!

I might email him . . . . (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/chiny.gif)

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Roadkill on February 14, 2014, 05:22:28 pm

Update from Marty . . . In his own words :

Quoting: Marty

the rotating assembly is BACK. Plans are to get the rotating assy in the engine this weekend and perhaps a completed short block. Will take some pics as I go.

I asked for a pic of the Block, too.

Simple things . . . (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/rolleyes.gif)

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Roadkill on February 17, 2014, 09:11:38 am

Marty sent me some proper engine-porn pics last night.

Will post them when I get to my PC. (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/cool.gif)

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: F Body on February 18, 2014, 11:43:04 am

Quoting: Roadkill

Marty sent me some proper engine-porn pics last night.

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Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Roadkill on February 18, 2014, 11:46:12 am

Ha !

Turns out that the first pic he sent wasn't my block ! (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/rofls.gif)

I've forgiven him, though as he sent me these (which is 100% my engine) :

(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c307/Roadkill-Auto/Project%20-%20CADILLAC/Engine2_zps52019d9f.jpg)
(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c307/Roadkill-Auto/Project%20-%20CADILLAC/Engine3_zps0b17c1d2.jpg)
(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c307/Roadkill-Auto/Project%20-%20CADILLAC/Engine5_zps7112bb91.jpg)
(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c307/Roadkill-Auto/Project%20-%20CADILLAC/Engine4_zpsbdb2e1e8.jpg)
(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c307/Roadkill-Auto/Project%20-%20CADILLAC/Engine6_zpsc901b516.jpg)

The ally heads got me particularly excited (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/tongue.gif) . . .

Also, worth noting that I've requested the motor NOT be painted (I'll do this myself).

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: F Body on February 18, 2014, 12:03:11 pm

Quoting: Roadkill

engine-porn pic

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Unless I missed it earlier in the thread (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/dontknow.gif)

What sort of BHP and torque figures are you expecting (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/chiny.gif)

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Cunning Plan on February 18, 2014, 12:15:03 pm

Nice!

Is the block being painted any colour? (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/dontknow.gif)

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Roadkill on February 18, 2014, 12:30:33 pm

Quoting: Cunning Plan

Is the block being painted any colour?

Quoting: Roadkill

Also, worth noting that I've requested the motor NOT be painted (I'll do this myself).

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"Cadillac Blue" is quite pale . . . I've not decided on a colour, yet, but yes - it will be painted for sure.

Quoting: F Body

What sort of BHP and torque figures are you expecting

This engine is shockingly similar to the one they use on PBTV (in fact the heads are those exact ones used) . . . . That made 600/600.

Obviously I've not gone for electric water pump and and few other bits so I'll loose there. The biggest limiting factor is the silly intake I'm putting on it.
The carbs can supply the fuel and air, but the design (although cool as F***) will limit it.
When chatting with Marty, I made it clear that the intake wasn't the be-all and end-all. The motor is designed to have a single-plane manifold and a massive 4bbl bolted on if I ever wanted to gain the maximum potential.

In a nutshell . . . Dunno . . . with a Single Plane & 4bbl, probably in the region of 550/550 . . .
With may intake (???) . . . I'd be happy with 400Bhp and 450 ft.lb (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/tongue.gif)

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Cunning Plan on February 18, 2014, 02:40:18 pm

Quoting: Roadkill

"Cadillac Blue" is quite pale . . . I've not decided on a colour, yet, but yes - it will be painted for sure.

(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/slap.gif)

(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/dunce.gif)

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: ianjpage on February 18, 2014, 08:46:12 pm

ooo very nice looking!!

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Roadkill on March 03, 2014, 04:32:41 pm

Some more pics.

(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c307/Roadkill-Auto/Project%20-%20CADILLAC/DEANENGINEshortblock_zpsfeec0e98.jpg)

(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c307/Roadkill-Auto/Project%20-%20CADILLAC/DEANENGINElongblock_zps4ee92ddc.jpg)

Engine will be finished this week !

Transmission hasn't been started yet . . . we had it sorted but Marty's suggested using a Switch-Pitch 400 and I must admit it sounds like a good idea . . . we're in discussions at the mo . . .

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: ianjpage on March 03, 2014, 06:27:42 pm

looking good, whats the difference in the trans then??

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Roadkill on March 04, 2014, 10:49:19 am

This guy on the HAMB sums it up nicely :

A switch pitch 400 is simply a TH400 with a few special parts in it. Primarily it is a torque converter that has vanes that can be set in one of two positions via a solenoid and hydraulics which changes the stall speed. They were initially installed in a lot of big GM cars from 65 through 67 I believe. In the high stall mode, it let the engine idle without "creep" at a stop light, and the low stall mode provided less slippage at highway speeds. In a hot rod with a nasty cammed engine, it gives you the best of both worlds, the ability to have a high stall for launching hard, and low stall for cruising. There are a lot of different ways to control the converter, brake switches, manifold vacuum, manually flipping a switch, etc.

From what I know they were BOP(+C) only - not Chevy - and had a limited run.

As the guy mentioned there's various ways of controlling them and that's what we're discussing at the moment . . .

EDIT - they seem very desirable among the BOP+C fraternity and I think it'd be a nice "touch". TH400's are pretty common here in the U.K (not as common as TH350's, though) but by going S-P it'd be adding something a little different . . .

There doesn't, as yet, appear to be any downsides except cost (but that really isn't a lot) plus the added work of a controller.

Should help the MPG as a major plus side, too.

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Incursus on March 04, 2014, 11:22:07 am

Quoting: Roadkill

BOP(+C)

? (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/confused.gif)

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Roadkill on March 04, 2014, 12:06:35 pm

Bolt patterns. Generally referred to as Chevy and BOP. Chevy is different to BOP (ie. different bell-housings).

BOP is Buick, Oldsmobile and Pontiac . . . . and also Cadillac later hence it should be BOPC but it is still always referred to as BOP. (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/rolleyes.gif)

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: FUBAR on March 04, 2014, 12:38:29 pm

That does sound like a nice addition, kinda gives you 2 cars in one (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/cool.gif)

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Titsy on March 04, 2014, 12:55:29 pm

Interesting. Sounds like an early take in the locking converter. I presume you can, or it wouldn't be desirable to get a lock-up converter? Assuming you can run one with the TH400, or would the engine be to lumpy to lock the converter in part throttle conditions?

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Roadkill on March 04, 2014, 01:28:54 pm

Quoting: Titsy

or would the engine be to lumpy to lock the converter in part throttle conditions?

I think that'd be the case . . . that said I'm not even sure if locking converters are available . . . I think they came later.

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: ianjpage on March 04, 2014, 01:48:58 pm

ahh cool sounds interesting and quite handy!

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Incursus on March 04, 2014, 07:01:45 pm

cool (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/cool.gif)

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Roadkill on March 13, 2014, 09:27:12 am

Engine's complete.

Trans still in discussions.

EDIT

Transmission pretty-much sorted but we're now discussing a controller for the switch-pitch . . to get the best of both worlds.

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Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: ianjpage on March 13, 2014, 03:35:19 pm

(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/up.gif) (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/rock.gif)

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Cunning Plan on March 13, 2014, 04:28:59 pm

Quoting: Roadkill

for the switch-pitch

(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/huh.gif) (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/dontknow.gif)

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Roadkill on March 18, 2014, 06:41:08 pm

My brain is now on transmission information overload !!!

(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/shame.gif)

But I think we're there, now.

We started off considering using a simple BOP TH400 . . . . then deviated on to a Switch-pitch '400 . . . then, after multiple discussions and hours of reading . . . looked at installing a 4L80E !!! - Modern or what !!??

Simple physics prevailed in the end . . . after doing the calculations the 4L80E's would deliver an engine RPM of only around 1680rpm @ 70mph . . . meaning the engine would never be at it's ideal power and efficiency band at motorway speeds.

By comparison the TH400 (SP) would be around 2250rpm at the same speed with its top gear ratio of 1:1 (the 4L80E has an overdrive of 0.75:1).

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Cunning Plan on March 19, 2014, 11:12:03 am

Whenever I look at this:

(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c307/Roadkill-Auto/Project%20-%20CADILLAC/DEANENGINElongblock_zps4ee92ddc.jpg)

I think 'BEAST' and hear that off-beat V8 burble that I love.

Please tell me it will sound like that..

Or this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laKUQwof2EE

[youtube=laKUQwof2EE]

[youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laKUQwof2EE]

(YouTube links are not working (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/smirk.gif))

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Andy on March 19, 2014, 02:28:11 pm

Gotta delete the 's' on the end of the Http part.

Dean, did you look at the option of Gear Vendors over drives? I got the impression they were the best option for early cars with TH350/400 boxes who wanted OD to improve mileage.

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Andy on March 19, 2014, 02:29:21 pm

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Cunning Plan on March 19, 2014, 02:59:26 pm

Quoting: Andy

Gotta delete the 's' on the end of the Http part.

I thank you.

(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/clap3.gif)

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Roadkill on March 19, 2014, 07:52:12 pm

CP - The camshaft is pretty serious (but within useable range and also within what the other parts in the motor and trans can do) so it'll have a pretty good thump.

Andy - Yeah Gear Vendors was one of my first ports of call but they're mega pricy and it would leave me with the same issue as the 4L80E - the revs at motorway speed in top gear would be too low.

The other option is to go for "lower" gears in the axle but that'd mean a new axle .....

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Roadkill on March 20, 2014, 09:31:08 am

Latest pictures (these will probably be the last)

Trans should be ready on the 31st March.

(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c307/Roadkill-Auto/Project%20-%20CADILLAC/DEANENGINErockers_zps5384eed6.jpg)

(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c307/Roadkill-Auto/Project%20-%20CADILLAC/DEANENGINE002_zpse3968141.jpg)

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Cunning Plan on March 20, 2014, 12:17:35 pm

You can really notice the two types of metal now. (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/cowboy.gif)

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Roadkill on March 20, 2014, 06:03:59 pm

The cast ally valve covers were a must. As soon as I saw the picture I knew I'd got the right ones.

(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/cool.gif)

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Titsy on March 20, 2014, 06:21:35 pm

Quoting: Roadkill

The cast ally valve covers were a must. As soon as I saw the picture I knew I'd got the right ones.

Paint or anodise and the machine skim across the embossing to make it look sharp (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/cool.gif)

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Roadkill on March 20, 2014, 08:53:45 pm

Nah, I could've bought those if I'd wanted. I like the dull finish . . reckon it'll age nice.

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: ianjpage on March 20, 2014, 09:48:32 pm

That's looking very nice!! (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/cool.gif)

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Roadkill on March 28, 2014, 03:27:44 pm

Have finalised discussions re. the brakes. Should be completing that transaction on Monday.

The basic jist of it is that the Caddy should be receiving front and rear disc conversions and will also be getting a modern style brake booster, making it a twin circuit system.

Suspension will be next. I'll clarify that later.

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Andy on March 28, 2014, 03:29:55 pm

Is that going to be a modern system too which has a crossover front to back?

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Roadkill on March 28, 2014, 04:59:44 pm

No, the booster is basically like the one under the hood of your Camaro . . . but a dual system is a major upgrade !

(Especially as my current booster needs topping up before EVERY journey). (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/rofls.gif)

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Roadkill on March 28, 2014, 05:17:41 pm

I took some pictures last Sunday as I needed some to ponder what to do with her exterior and interior.

Here's some of the highlights . . . "Before" shots . . .

(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c307/Roadkill-Auto/The%20Cadillac%20-%20Before/1978450_10203274624256641_914135293_o_zps7d8fe902.jpg)
(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c307/Roadkill-Auto/The%20Cadillac%20-%20Before/1913272_10203274619736528_98550192_o_zpsaea3da8b.jpg)
(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c307/Roadkill-Auto/The%20Cadillac%20-%20Before/10001005_10203274621216565_65195701_o_zps752c370d.jpg)
(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c307/Roadkill-Auto/The%20Cadillac%20-%20Before/1941359_10203274623696627_727820552_o_zps22f77277.jpg)
(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c307/Roadkill-Auto/The%20Cadillac%20-%20Before/1965521_10203274622896607_403219361_o_zps9c08c83d.jpg)
(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c307/Roadkill-Auto/The%20Cadillac%20-%20Before/1979282_10203274622656601_1377301564_o_zps5fa20cf3.jpg)

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Cunning Plan on March 28, 2014, 05:50:23 pm

BEAST.

What does the writing on the tailgate say? (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/dontknow.gif)

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Roadkill on March 29, 2014, 12:07:37 am

"Well, Buddy when I die, throw my body in the back - take me to the junkyard in my Cadillac ...."

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Roadkill on March 31, 2014, 03:14:51 pm

(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/shame.gif)

Just added everything up. (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/sofa.gif)

May have to leave the suspension off for now . . . That's a whole chunk of cash I don't have access to.

(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/down.gif)

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Cunning Plan on April 01, 2014, 06:29:35 pm

What are you doing with the old engine?

Is there any money in that to put towards shiny, new suspension? (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/dontknow.gif)

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Roadkill on April 02, 2014, 04:45:38 pm

Quoting: Cunning Plan

What are you doing with the old engine?

I'm part-ex'ing it against my intake and carbs from Stromberg.

Quoting: Roadkill on 4th April

Had some agro with my credit card company . . . had to split the brake order into two . . . thankfully the company were cool about it.

Should be dispatched - heading to Marty - on Tuesday.

Quoting: Roadkill on 9th April

Brakes have arrived at MTS. Everything's ready to go.

I need to be getting him some $$$$ PDQ !

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Roadkill on April 22, 2014, 09:06:26 am

Engine's now all paid for.

Still can't afford the suspension . . .

My first three options for shipping hasn't gone to plan so it's looking likely that Marty (MTS) will be shipping it himself, direct to Stromberg.

. . . . Which means I need to find another £620 yesterday. (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/can.gif)

(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/sofa.gif)

Anyone wanna by a Dayvan ? (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/lol.gif)

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: FUBAR on April 22, 2014, 05:36:25 pm

Quoting: Roadkill

Anyone wanna buy a Dayvan ?

CP? (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/chiny.gif)

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: ianjpage on April 22, 2014, 07:11:51 pm

Quoting: Roadkill

cool wallet a bti lighter then lol!!!

Oh that's not good then, how come they not going to plan then?

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Cunning Plan on April 23, 2014, 07:32:32 am

Quoting: FUBAR

CP?

(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/nono2.gif) Not quite my thing.

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Roadkill on April 23, 2014, 08:26:25 pm

Quoting: ianjpage

how come they not going to plan then?

Originally I was planning to ship to the docks at Long Beach via MTS, then let Stromberg deal with the shipping to the U.K . . .

This was because the guy they normally use was looking to be cheaper . . . alas, when it came to the crunch, their usual guy wasn't shipping anything. I held it up by adding the brakes and ended up missing the next container. When it was ready to go the normal guy didn't have anything and the other person they lined up would've worked out more.

So I went back to Marty and asked him to get a quote . . . he's now dealing with the shipping from his workshop straight to Stromberg's doorstep !

Quoting: Cunning Plan

Not quite my thing.

Pfft. No taste. (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/rofls.gif)

Anyway - <drum roll>

The engine and gearbox (and brakes) should be being picked up from MTS today . . . I should have some tracking details shortly.

I always said I wouldn't actually start the Caddy until I had the Engine, Trans, Brakes and Suspension bought.

At the moment I have 3 out of 4 . . . although there's still the intake and carbs required for the motor . . .

I really do need to push the sale of the Pig to free up some funds. The bill that I've been left with will mean spare funds, otherwise, simply won't exist for a year or two.

Still.

It'll be worth it. (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/rolleyes.gif)

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Cunning Plan on April 23, 2014, 08:33:39 pm

Quoting: Roadkill

Pfft. No taste.

(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/tongue.gif)

Quoting: Roadkill

The bill that I've been left with will mean spares funds, otherwise, simply won't exist for a year or two.

So no more projects? (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/shame.gif) (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/cry.gif)

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Roadkill on April 23, 2014, 08:39:21 pm

Quoting: Cunning Plan

So no more projects?

No car projects, no. I can't even justify putting tax on the Camaro to bring it back to Castle Roadkill.

That said I do have one non-car related project lined up . . . but, if I'm honest, there's no plan to start that anytime soon.

I need to put the felt on the new shed's roof but that'll probably be it !

(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/snipersmilie.gif) (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/diy.gif)

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: ianjpage on April 23, 2014, 09:09:36 pm

Quoting: Roadkill

Ahh right bit of a shame then.

Quoting: Roadkill

The engine and gearbox (and brakes) should be being picked up from MTS today . . . I should have some tracking details shortly.

(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/up.gif) (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/rock.gif)

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Roadkill on May 01, 2014, 03:16:51 pm

Engine, Trans and Brake parts were collected from Apple Valley on the 23rd April and are due in the Port (U.K) on May, 18th.

Shortly after I'll need to sell the other kidney to pay for the Tax and Duty !

(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/sofa.gif)

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: ianjpage on May 01, 2014, 04:39:24 pm

Wow not long really then! !!

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: FUBAR on May 01, 2014, 08:30:44 pm

Moving fast (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/up.gif)

Get on the Overtime eh Dean (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/grin.gif)

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Roadkill on May 02, 2014, 03:36:08 pm

Quoting: FUBAR

Get on the Overtime eh Dean

I average about 60 hours a week at the moment . . . but I don't get paid for overtime !

Pro-rata, I'm probably the lowest paid person I know !!! (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/lol.gif)

(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/sad.gif)

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Roadkill on May 14, 2014, 09:43:21 am

Engine's on it's way !

http://www.marinetraffic.com/ais/details/ships/310233000/vessel:OTTAWA_EXPRESS

Due at Liverpool on 21st May.

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Cunning Plan on May 14, 2014, 10:22:28 am

Quoting: Roadkill

Engine's on it's way !

http://www.marinetraffic.com/ais/details/ships/310233000/vessel:OTTAWA_EXPRESS

That's really going to add miles on the engine before you have even used it (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/down.gif)

(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/tongue.gif)

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: ianjpage on May 14, 2014, 11:19:53 am

Quoting: Roadkill

Engine's on it's way !

http://www.marinetraffic.com/ais/details/ships/310233000/vessel:OTTAWA_EXPRESS

Due at Liverpool on 21st May.

(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/rock.gif) cool

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Incursus on May 14, 2014, 11:58:51 am

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Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Roadkill on May 20, 2014, 03:45:06 pm

Have entered into discussions (finally) with an Upholsterer . . . Also, very much relating to this, I'm attempting to find out more about the apparently rare headlining I have in my Caddy. So far no one has a clue about it !

(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/chiny.gif)

EDIT - the engine's just rounded the South-East corner of Ireland . . . should be docking in a matter of hours !!!

(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/beavisnbutthead.gif)

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: ianjpage on May 20, 2014, 08:37:06 pm

Quoting: Roadkill

EDIT - the engine's just rounded the South-East corner of Ireland . . . should be docking in a matter of hours !!!

(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/up.gif) just passing north of Llandudno now!!

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: FUBAR on May 20, 2014, 11:10:38 pm

LOL Its got near Liverpool and done a U-Turn (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/rofls.gif) Must be carrying a Cargo of Alloy wheels (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/rofls.gif) (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/rofls.gif)

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Incursus on May 21, 2014, 06:22:39 am

Docked (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/cool.gif) (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/beavisnbutthead.gif)

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Cunning Plan on May 21, 2014, 07:36:22 am

Quoting: \" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">http://www.marinetraffic.com/

Gross Tonnage: 39174

(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/jaw.gif)

Stuff like that is mind-blowing. (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/shame.gif)

Over 39,000 tons can float. (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/huh.gif)

:offtopic:

(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/hijack.gif)

So, how is it being delivered from the port? (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/dontknow.gif)

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Roadkill on May 21, 2014, 08:25:54 am

Quoting: Cunning Plan

So, how is it being delivered from the port?

It's a door-to-door deal so I don't care really, as long as it's in the correct amount of pieces ! (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/tongue.gif)

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Roadkill on May 30, 2014, 03:32:44 pm

Clive's paid the customs bill on the motor . . . I don't have details on what's what, yet but the total's £1089 !

(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/sofa.gif)

EDIT : info dump - Clearance from bottom of pulley to U/S of hood = 26.5" based on a 7" pulley. So 23" clearance from crank pulley centre.

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Cunning Plan on June 02, 2014, 07:27:24 am

Has it arrived yet? (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/pokey.gif)

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Roadkill on June 02, 2014, 07:39:23 am

No, but assuming it arrives at Stromberg this week I'll be taking a trip over there this weekend to collect the trans and brakes, also to discuss the intake . . .

I'll take some better pics, then.

(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/up.gif)

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Cunning Plan on June 02, 2014, 09:31:48 am

Quoting: Roadkill

I'll take some better pics, then.

(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/thumbsup.gif)

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Roadkill on June 02, 2014, 11:42:28 am

Engine, trans and other bits arrive at Stromberg tomorrow !!! (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/beavisnbutthead.gif)

Am just arranging taking a trip over to see it and collect the trans.

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Roadkill on June 04, 2014, 03:38:16 pm

First quote for chroming is in . . . "no more than £3200 (depending on the condition)" . . . seems like an oxymoron to me.

That's based on photos I sent them for ALL of the EXTERIOR chromework . . . some of which may get "deleted".

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Roadkill on June 09, 2014, 08:43:55 am

O.K, just to p!ss everyone off, I didn't get any pictures of the engine . . . It was shipped upside-down (for stability) and the guys at Stromberg didn't want to start unpacking it until I'd seen it first.

So we discussed the intake and some clearances and they'll be starting on the intake some point this week . . .

I have asked them to take lots of photos (which I'm sure they will as they'll use them for advertisement purposes) so I should have something soon.

I brought home the TH400, the brakes and a box of ancillaries, leaving only the long-block at Stromberg.

Everything seems O.K with no damage from the journey over here . . .

The brakes seem really good quality, with good, fine castings so I'm happy so far. The booster and all the brackets look nice and meaty . . . . the kind of thickness I'd have done them if I was making it so I'm happy, there, too.

I spent a while rooting round in the ancillaries box checking out the new shiny stuff and the 45 year old Cadillac brackets, mounts and pulleys I've got . . . I didn't want to go all-billet but I think I may be investing in a pulley or two . . . we'll see.

So.

With the engine, transmission and brakes here, shipping paid and duty paid, that leaves me with needing to get the intake and carbs done and paid for and then the air-ride kit ordered and paid for.

Anything else this year will be a bonus . . . . . . . . . .

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Cunning Plan on June 09, 2014, 08:52:39 am

Good update!

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Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Roadkill on June 09, 2014, 09:59:19 am

Also, with regards to the paint or patina dilemma, IF I was to go with paint, I'm now 100% settled on one of the colours, the blue for the body . . . . I had picked out an off-white for the roof but the actual testers came out a tiny, tiny bit green so back to the drawing board with that.

Shockingly enough, my brother has been assisting with this, doing the testers and even mixing up aerosols of each so I can have a play . . . . this means I have 2 free-of-charge cans of blue that I can use for the engine block (If I decide to go that way) . . .

I suppose that IF I go with paint, the next question would be blue body / white roof or ALL blue . . . ?

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Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Roadkill on June 09, 2014, 10:22:13 am

Mmmmmm, my office has that "just re-conditioned" smell . . . .

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(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c307/Roadkill-Auto/Project%20-%20CADILLAC/IMAG0576_zps80470cbc.jpg)

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: FUBAR on June 09, 2014, 05:22:02 pm

Quoting: Roadkill

blue body / white roof

Definitely IMO.

Quoting: Roadkill

Mmmmmm, my office has that "just re-conditioned" smell . . . .

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Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: FUBAR on June 09, 2014, 05:26:26 pm

Dean, just link dumping for you, not sure what you're doing (if anything) for seatbelts but this is the same company that made my stereo. Nothing comes up specific for your car (because there aren't any stock ones I guess) but its there for info if needed.

http://www.retrobeltusa.com/

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: ianjpage on June 09, 2014, 09:04:41 pm

Quoting: Roadkill

Mmmmmm, my office has that "just re-conditioned" smell . . . .

Looks good, had any comments from the 'guvner yet

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Roadkill on June 10, 2014, 11:17:51 am

Quoting: ianjpage

had any comments from the 'guvner yet

He helped me carry it in !!! (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/rofls.gif) (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/rofls.gif) (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/rofls.gif)

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: ianjpage on June 10, 2014, 12:50:23 pm

Lol fair enough! !

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Roadkill on June 13, 2014, 10:21:35 am

O.K, some pictures for ya' . . . .

(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c307/Roadkill-Auto/Project%20-%20CADILLAC/unnamed_zpsba03795c.jpg)

The engine's now on the stand but the guys at Stromberg are pretty worried about the stand they've got (I should've taken my 1500lb stand down) so have braced the motor against the stand while they create the intake.

(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c307/Roadkill-Auto/Project%20-%20CADILLAC/unnamed1_zps79e9ceda.jpg)

First issue is creating a valley pan . . . I have access to a laser-cutter so we just need to sort out a sketch so I can produce a drawing and NC file for it . . .

Next issue is that the intake ports on the heads are massive and the intake flanges that came with the "U-Fab" style intake "kit" just ain't big enough so it looks like I'll need to reproduce these, too, albeit a bit bigger.

(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c307/Roadkill-Auto/Project%20-%20CADILLAC/unnamed2_zps15256d06.jpg)

By the time I'm done I think I'll have the drawings and files in place to produce all the hard parts of this manifold . . . .

I see a side project looming in the future. (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/tongue.gif)

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: ianjpage on June 13, 2014, 10:49:14 am

Looking good

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Cunning Plan on June 13, 2014, 03:03:36 pm

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That would look great in the back of my bus (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/stir.gif)

Keep it coming! (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/thumbsup.gif)

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Roadkill on June 18, 2014, 09:51:32 pm

Not heard anything back from Clive, yet, but not chasing it .... I've got other fish to fry.

I put all of my birthday money I got and purchased a decent 2 ton engine crane and load leveller in preparation for the up coming motor pull.

I've also been eyeing up some bling bits for the TH400 (I really shouldn't be) and I've been researching shifters for it, too ....

It may seem a little premature at the moment but I want to minimise the "little things" at the end of the build .... Plus shiny makes RK happy.

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Roadkill on July 29, 2014, 08:52:59 am

Stromberg have been busy getting their new "big '97's" ready to introduce to the market . . . which is really cool in itself as it's the biggest single step in 2BBL Hot Rod carburetion in probably 80 years.

The upshot of that is that no work has happened on the Caddy's intake.

To be honest, I'm glad.

I had to dig pretty darn deep to find the £££££ for the motor, trans and brakes and it's left me with money to pay back so at least I can do that for a while before spending ££££ more on the intake !

I do, however, have the intake gaskets here so I can begin creating the CAD file to laser-cut replacement intake flanges (the original ones had stock port sizes and not enough "meat" to open them out).

Now, for the picture hungry people - CP, I mean you - I finally got round to assembling my shiny new beast of an engine crane complete with load-leveller.

(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c307/Roadkill-Auto/IMAG0759_zps17db7892.jpg)

I did look at several . . . I opted for this, slightly more expensive one - not because it was black (but it helped) - but because there were subtle differences to the castors and bracing arrangement that made me happier.

It's monstrously heavy, though and isn't going anywhere without an army to move it !!!

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Cunning Plan on July 29, 2014, 09:07:50 am

Quoting: Roadkill

CP, I mean you

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I had a red crane from Machine Mart with a similar design, although the hook and brace part look much more stable.

The problem with engine stands and cranes is they are a useful and necessary tool to have, but they are so big and heavy that they are difficult to store when you are not using them. I used mine when I had the bus on the rollers and I would have kept it, but I did not have anywhere convenient to store it. (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/sad.gif)

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Roadkill on July 29, 2014, 09:15:14 am

Quoting: Cunning Plan

but they are so big and heavy that they are difficult to store when you are not using them

100% agreed.

I used to borrow a more compact fold-up one but knew I needed a monster to handle the Big Block Caddy.

Storage is going to be a real issue but I'll have to get round it . . . . this is one of those little luxuries I've been promising myself for over 17 years !

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Jamieg285 on July 30, 2014, 11:06:52 am

I've got the red one too. When not being used I was able to dismantle and stuff it into a gap less than 6 inches wide. Being wedged behind some storage cabinets, I am able to stack all the bits on top of each other, and it's barely in the way at all.

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Roadkill on August 14, 2014, 12:22:37 pm

This intake manifold has become a bit of a drama.

I don't want to go into details too much, yet, but I've just emailed Stromberg suggesting that I pick up the motor, deal with the intake, then drop off the finished intake for them to set the carbs and linkages up on.

On the plus side I've started speaking to the "other" Big Block Cadillac specialist in the states and he's been really, really helpful and has given me advice on these kind of intakes when fitted to the Cad.

On a side note : I suspect there's some sort of history between these two Caddy vendors in the states so have made sure I don't mention my dealings with one to the other . . . (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/dontknow.gif) . . .

Anyway, back on the subject at hand . . . I need to pick up a heavy motor and the gearbox in the Mondeo is on it's last legs . . . death by Cadillac ?

At least the Mondeo will be going out in style. (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/beavisnbutthead.gif)

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Cunning Plan on August 14, 2014, 04:08:16 pm

PICTURES WILL be necessary!!!! (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/rtfm.gif) (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/up.gif)

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: F Body on August 14, 2014, 07:44:07 pm

Quoting: Roadkill

Anyway, back on the subject at hand . . . I need to pick up a heavy motor and the gearbox in the Mondeo is on it's last legs . . . death by Cadillac ?

It would be very ironic if the Mondy died giving birth to the Caddy's motor (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/wink.gif)

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Roadkill on August 19, 2014, 05:22:58 pm

Quoting: Cunning Plan

PICTURES WILL be necessary!!!!

Here ya go. (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/kiss.gif) (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/hug.gif)

(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c307/Roadkill-Auto/Project%20-%20CADILLAC/IMAG0803_zpsddbcf4ad.jpg)

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(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c307/Roadkill-Auto/Project%20-%20CADILLAC/IMAG0805_zpsd291582b.jpg)

Picked the Caddy's new motor up yesterday . . . no issues to report.

All went to plan.

Just need to finish Pimp'in the engine stand and get her attached to it !

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Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: FUBAR on August 19, 2014, 08:35:55 pm

That's epic (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/beavisnbutthead.gif)

The sump has 2 drain plugs? suppose its needed given the shape.

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Andy on August 20, 2014, 06:18:56 am

What a beast!

On the first page you say you're mounting it to a TH350, is there going to be an adaptor plate made up or is the bell housing bolt pattern on this the same as all SBC? Or is the TH350 designed for the Caddy engine?

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Incursus on August 20, 2014, 06:49:25 am

Awesome! Really must get myself a V8 next year.

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Roadkill on August 20, 2014, 01:01:05 pm

Quoting: Andy

On the first page you say you're mounting it to a TH350

Read it again . . . (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/nono.gif)

Quoting: Roadkill

Transmission

TH400 (Cadillac / BOP) Long Tail, Gearbox,

Quoting: Andy

is the bell housing bolt pattern on this the same as all SBC?

No. Chevy is Chevy.

Cadillacs use the "BOP" pattern which is the Buick, Oldsmobile, Pontiac pattern.

Cadillac adapted to suit the BOP in the 60's IIRC . . . Some refer to BOP as BOP(C). (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/tongue.gif)

A TH350 wouldn't last 5 minutes behind a 472/500 Caddy . . . especially not a worked-over 512.

A SBC 350 / TH350 is a good combo . . . Once you begin to approach Big Block territory TH400's (and their later versions) are the only way forward.

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Cunning Plan on August 20, 2014, 10:38:39 pm

DUDE!!(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/jaw.gif)

That looks like a beast!

I bet you cannot wait to make a start on the install?

Well done for organising it all. All your research obviously worked well! (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/clap3.gif)

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Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: F Body on August 21, 2014, 08:45:35 am

That is a beast (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/headbang.gif)

How much does it weigh ?

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Andy on August 21, 2014, 09:14:27 am

545lbs I'm guessing (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/tongue.gif)

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Cunning Plan on August 21, 2014, 09:22:59 am

How did you get it in and out? (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/huh.gif)

The roof on the Mondeo would restrict the use of an engine crane... ? (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/dontknow.gif)

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: F Body on August 21, 2014, 09:27:50 am

Quoting: Andy

545lbs I'm guessing

Sorry don't do pounds any more, so about 250kg (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/tongue.gif)

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Roadkill on August 21, 2014, 09:51:40 am

About 520lbs as it sits . . .

Quoting: Cunning Plan

How did you get it in and out?

Engine crane.

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Put some strops around the motor, reduce the length of the chain / hook on the crane, then I used a bow shackle to hold the strops together.

There was enough clearance to get the motor in . . . It then had to be man-handled to get it further over the axle / and vice-versa for removal.

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Roadkill on September 01, 2014, 09:37:41 am

Quoting: Roadkill

I don't want to go into details too much, yet . . . .

I'm trying to be fairly transparent with this project so I'll fill-in some details regarding the intake.

Originally, I discussed the intake with Clive at Stromberg and he'd come up with a price of £400 to fabricate it (with me supplying the basic "kit"), plus supply the valley cover (required on Poncho and Caddy motors).

Good price, I thought, so that was how it started . . .

Although quickly it became apparent that he'd not got his head around the level of work involved in fish-mouthing all the pipes and the fettling needed to weld it up.

We originally discussed making it off of the engine, but he'd suggested - quite rightly - that it'd be best fabbing it on top of the motor . . . which was why the motor was sent to Stromberg in the first place.

Don't get me wrong, these things are a PITA to make from the "kit" (which is why I didn't want to do it) BUT this is not anything out of the ordinary when it comes to these "dual log" style manifolds . . they've been around since the late 40's and haven't changed at all in that time so I was surprised at some of the questions I was getting asked.

Clive then said he was nervous about fabricating over the motor in case anything contaminated it so asked for me to create a (fairly elaborate) jig.

I was also then left with designing and supplying the valley pan, too . . .

And also a new set of intake flanges as the ones in the kit were too small for the massive ports - this was nobody's fault but mine, really, but the list of things I was now having to sort was growing.

In the end I decided to scrap the "dual log" design.

I love the look of them, but in reality they don't flow that great and If I'm going to be left with loads of work I may as well design something truly unique.

So, I'm in the process of designing - from scratch - an all-aluminium intake and am now looking to increase the number of carbs from Six to an even Eight.

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Yeah, yeah, I could buy an off-the-shelf 4BBL intake and be done with it . . . but I've got an idea in my head and that's that.

Unfortunately, with the delays on the manifold this has effectively pushed the actual start date of the project into next year, now. I was planning to start taking her apart around now but it won't be until spring '15, at the earliest.

I'm a bit put out with Stromberg for the messing about BUT aren't holding any grudges.

At the end of the day, they're a couple of guys running a small business that's in the U.K and in a very U.S based market. That in itself is really cool but on top of this they're releasing multiple new products and a completely new "big" 97.

I could start throwing my toys out of the pram but what they're doing is cool.

I can't argue with that . . .

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Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Roadkill on September 16, 2014, 12:36:46 pm

Where are we ?

Oh, yeah, nowhere . . . !

Progress on the motor is on hold until I can get it on the stand and start taking measurements . . . The stand should be ready this weekend . . .

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Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Roadkill on September 16, 2014, 08:28:54 pm

Not much of an update but I got the plate for the engine stand test fitted . . . a mini-victory as now I at least know I measured everything right.

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(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c307/Roadkill-Auto/Project%20-%20CADILLAC/IMAG0913_zpsaf7c4527.jpg)

Here's where we are at the mo'.

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Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: ianjpage on September 16, 2014, 09:36:05 pm

Quoting: Roadkill

got the plate for the engine stand test fitted

cool so engine be on teh stand this weekend then lol

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Roadkill on September 21, 2014, 09:13:01 am

As mentioned in the Engine Stand thread . . . The motor's now on the stand so once I've tidied up the garage I can start measuring up and detailing for the intake manifold drawings.

Slowly, slowly . . . (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/can.gif)

(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c307/Roadkill-Auto/Project%20-%20CADILLAC/IMAG0918_zps00b841f1.jpg)

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Cunning Plan on September 21, 2014, 11:24:07 am

Such a great looking engine. Still loving the heads!

You just need to knock through the wall on the right into the living room to give you space to work at the side (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/stir.gif)

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Roadkill on September 22, 2014, 10:07:14 am

Quoting: Cunning Plan

You just need to knock through the wall on the right into the living room to give you space to work at the side

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It's on a different level, plus part of it is actually the kitchen . . . and the kitchen is already pretty small.

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Unfortunately, the "tidy up" has highlighted a list of other (non-auto) jobs that really need doing, so yesterday I stripped out the cupboard that was damaged in the "flood" that happen a few winter's back so it can be re-modeled and repaired . . . I also finished doing the physical installation of an extractor in the bathroom (I had the fun job of drilling a 107mm wide hole in the wall up in the loft then fitting the outside vent by climbing up a ladder on top of the garage roof) !!

I've got some other jobs to do in both the front and back gardens before the weather cracks up too, but I'm hoping to be clear-ish in October.

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Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Andy on September 22, 2014, 10:27:03 am

Great to see it mounted on the stand.

Let me know when you know of any thing else I can do. At the moment we're up and down with work so I can try and give you lead times but as homework goes it's secondary to the main stuff unfortunately.

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Roadkill on September 22, 2014, 11:00:25 am

Andy, that's understandable, obviously.

It'll be ally tube for you, next. I'll buy a length of each section and send you a drawing of what I need . . .

Before all of that I need to design the plenum(s) . . . I was going to go for a single but am now thinking that It'll end up being too large (in volume) so am probably going to do two plenums and use balancing tubes . . .

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Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Cunning Plan on September 22, 2014, 05:10:35 pm

Quoting: Roadkill

by climbing up a ladder on top of the garage roof)

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Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Roadkill on October 02, 2014, 12:18:08 pm

Just my luck . . . I had a spare half-hour a couple of nights back so I goes out into my newly clean and cleared garage to start measuring up for designing the intake . .

Grab my digital vernier and - err - it's dead. It's been messing about for a while but finally is toast.

(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/rolleyes.gif)

So I popped round my parents last night to borrow my Dad's Mitutoyo . . . guess what, the battery's dead and he doesn't have any spares.

(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/wall.gif)

New batteries are on order . . . I've got a 4-day weekend this weekend so I'm hoping to have something ready to start fabricating by next week . . .

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Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Cunning Plan on October 02, 2014, 01:01:56 pm

Quoting: Roadkill

4-day weekend

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I'm going to get an hour in on the bus later (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/thumbsup.gif)

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Roadkill on October 02, 2014, 08:27:43 pm

Quoting: Roadkill

4-day weekend

Well, it's now currently a 3-day weekend as I have to put in some hours tomorrow, but hey, still not bad. (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/rolleyes.gif)

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Roadkill on October 06, 2014, 04:05:12 pm

It's beyond a joke, now. I have the day off to measure and design the intake . . envelope arrives this morning from the seller I bought the batteries (for my vernier) from and . . . . . . . . . . . (wait for it) . . . the envelope is . . . . empty !

WTF !!??

I don't know whether the seller is an utter muppet and sent an empty envelope or Royal Mail has taken to stealing 50p batteries . . either way it's pi$$ed me off . . .

The seller's sending more, but, still - (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/smirk.gif)

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: ianjpage on October 06, 2014, 09:23:57 pm

oh not great then - did you get anything done on it at all or not really ?

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Andy on October 07, 2014, 09:35:47 am

Dude, save yourself the aggro and just go to a super market and get them.

They should take the standard watch battery cell, and I know I would rather buy one from a shop where I can take it back than the aggro of eBay. So many of these little Chinese batteries are duds as well.

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Cunning Plan on October 07, 2014, 09:59:54 am

Cunning Plan demands progress! (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/evilgrin.gif)

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Titsy on October 07, 2014, 05:58:50 pm

Out of interest, any chance of a top down photo of the heads showing the inlet tracts?

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Roadkill on October 08, 2014, 11:49:10 am

Quoting: Andy

go to a super market and get them

I did, typically, they'd sold out. (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/rofls.gif)

Quoting: Titsy

Out of interest, any chance of a top down photo of the heads showing the inlet tracts?

I'll post some later.

Quoting: Cunning Plan

Cunning Plan demands progress!

Well, there is some . . . .

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Titsy on October 08, 2014, 11:49:16 am

No go on the welding, but he knows a guy in Brackley and is going to get me contact details.

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Titsy on October 08, 2014, 11:50:55 am

I have a stack of LR44 batteries here at work if that's what your after. we ordered a pack for calipers and they sent a box by mistake...

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Roadkill on October 08, 2014, 12:52:20 pm

No, it's the D357 / 303's . . . I've tried a LR44 and no go.

EDIT - Here ya' go.

This is what I've got so far . . . I'm speaking to the workshop, shortly.

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Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Roadkill on October 24, 2014, 08:26:09 pm

Finally !

A worthy update . . . if only to say that the first attempt at a valley cover wasn't 100% correct. (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/rolleyes.gif)

It's pretty damn close, though, so second attempt should be spot-on !!!

It all lines up front-to-back but I'm going to increase the high of the ports 0.5mm top and bottom and increase the width between the bends by 1mm (or 2mm if I decide not to use a second set of gaskets).

That *should* do it. (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/chiny.gif)

Pictures :

No plate

(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c307/Roadkill-Auto/Project%20-%20CADILLAC/IMAG1016_zps859bf636.jpg)

Plate

(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c307/Roadkill-Auto/Project%20-%20CADILLAC/IMAG1017_zps5a1b0915.jpg)

A couple showing the plate nicely lined up . . .

(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c307/Roadkill-Auto/Project%20-%20CADILLAC/IMAG1028_zps904bde9d.jpg)
(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c307/Roadkill-Auto/Project%20-%20CADILLAC/IMAG1018_zps0d3c329d.jpg)

The main issue . . distance between the bends just isn't *quite* enough.

(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c307/Roadkill-Auto/Project%20-%20CADILLAC/IMAG1019_zpse2d7f323.jpg)

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Jo on October 25, 2014, 07:45:49 am

Looking good (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/cool.gif)

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Cunning Plan on October 25, 2014, 11:48:02 am

Quoting: Roadkill

No plate

Looks very good to me, although what is the benefit of having the cover plate? Does it need one? (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/huh.gif)

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Andy on October 25, 2014, 02:47:43 pm

Keeps the oil in (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/wink.gif)

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Incursus on October 25, 2014, 06:04:38 pm

(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/yup.gif) (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/up.gif)

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Cunning Plan on October 25, 2014, 07:58:32 pm

(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/dunce.gif) Ah I didn't realise, I thought they were sealed push-rod tubes like on VW Flat-4 Aircooled engines.

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Roadkill on October 27, 2014, 11:01:35 am

A lot of early Cadillac (and Pontiac) motors had manifolds that didn't cover the valley (like your standard Chevy) so needed a "valley pan" to cover the top of the motor. (These manifolds kept the air cooler, by separating it away from the motor - apparently).

The later, big block, Cadillac motors DID have a manifold that covered the valley, but the manifolds were so low (to fit under the Eldorado hoods) that they used a tub gasket underneath to help insulate the manifold from the heat produce by the motor.

The manifold I'm intending to create is more like the early versions so the "old skool" valley pan is essential.

(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/wink.gif)

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Cunning Plan on October 27, 2014, 06:40:52 pm

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Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Roadkill on November 06, 2014, 05:14:01 pm

Evolution of a intake manifold design all on one picture !

(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/tongue.gif)

(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c307/Roadkill-Auto/Project%20-%20CADILLAC/Untitled_zpsb0d890ae.jpg)

Just when I thought I had the concept sorted, I ran the carb spacing by Clive at Stromberg and he pointed out that the side-by-side spacing wouldn't be quite enough.

To maintain the angles I want meant re-designing the plenums which actually worked out better all round - smaller plenums, bigger gap and 10mm more hood clearance*

(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/up.gif)

* <-- For a later mini project . . .

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Roadkill on November 07, 2014, 05:43:38 pm

(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c307/Roadkill-Auto/Project%20-%20CADILLAC/Stubs_zps775e3f18.png)

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Roadkill on November 11, 2014, 01:30:01 pm

Slow but steady progress . . . it's the waiting game, now.

The plenums and new cover plate have been issued to the workshop so I'm waiting for a quiet period to get them made.

At the same time I'm waiting for pay day so I can order some 5mm ally plate for the plenum lids and some 8mm ally plate for the intake flanges.

Then there's the tube I need to order - shown in the sketch above.

(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/can.gif)

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Roadkill on December 07, 2014, 04:01:52 pm

Quoting: Roadkill

The plenums and new cover plate have been issued to the workshop so I'm waiting for a quiet period to get them made.

(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c307/Roadkill-Auto/Project%20-%20CADILLAC/IMAG1065_zpsb8184e59.jpg)

(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c307/Roadkill-Auto/Project%20-%20CADILLAC/IMAG1064_zpsf86ad3fd.jpg)

(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c307/Roadkill-Auto/Project%20-%20CADILLAC/IMAG1066_zps8a5bec45.jpg)

Plenum tubs looks great . . . they even linished them . . . which I didn't really want but can work with.

All the tubes are with Mr Dibley at the moment so as soon as I get them back I can start getting some bits TiG'ed together . . .

The "Revision B" of the cover plate is, dimensionally, spot-on, but this time they "over-bent" it . . . meaning that I have to try and bend it back a couple of degrees . . . . REALLY frustrating as, if it doesn't bend back, it'll have to be made AGAIN !

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: FUBAR on December 07, 2014, 04:10:02 pm

Looking good (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/up.gif)

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Andy on December 07, 2014, 04:10:38 pm

Sorry Dean, had a really busy week so didn't even get a chance to look at them. Will try and get them finished this week, at the moment they're all cut, just waiting to trim them and turn the diameter down.

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Cunning Plan on December 07, 2014, 04:13:18 pm

(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/snacking.gif)

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Roadkill on December 07, 2014, 07:53:53 pm

Quoting: Andy

No worries, it wasn't a prod, honest . . I've waited weeks for the plenums so I'm not gonna start hassling you after a few days. (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/wink.gif)

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Roadkill on December 10, 2014, 04:40:37 pm

I'll need to practice forming the square port ends on some of the off-cuts before risking f**king up your efforts !!!

Looking forward to getting it all back . . . especially as I've heard that our workshop will be "quiet" from now up until Christmas . . . . (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/wink.gif)

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Andy on December 12, 2014, 09:32:19 am

Completed the other part as well now, so I can either post them or collect / drop them off?

(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm162/andydpics/FE49C69A-C631-4DBB-9057-F5ACEB416307_zps6o71obgr.jpg)

(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm162/andydpics/1FB3A321-B5ED-49F1-A10A-75BF88A1ED14_zps1yob7htv.jpg)

(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm162/andydpics/EAAF800A-AF13-4193-BB53-32C1DD1060D9_zpsexzq6zej.jpg)

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Andy on December 12, 2014, 03:30:56 pm

As an added note, will be taking all the bits home with me this weekend as there's the possibility of driving over to MK so can drop it all off.

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Ralph on December 15, 2014, 04:17:55 pm

This is looking mega exciting!!

Was chatting to Andy ^^ about this at the weekend. Really looking forward to seeing the new lump sat in the rails! :D

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Roadkill on December 15, 2014, 08:15:11 pm

I'll need an army of volunteers to help lift the body from the chassis some point next year, first . . . (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/tongue.gif)

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: FUBAR on December 15, 2014, 08:33:57 pm

Quoting: Roadkill

I'll need an army of volunteers to help lift the body from the chassis some point next year, first . . .

(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/up.gif)

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Roadkill on December 16, 2014, 05:44:57 pm

I should say lift off . . and on . . . and off again . . then probably back on, before taking it back off.

I know I'll need to cut a section out the floor but won't know how much until the engine is in the frame . . . . I can't put the engine in the frame without the body coming off first.

Catch 22, really. There's no easy way, though . . . the Camaro was simple compared to the Caddy.

(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/sofa.gif)

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Ralph on December 22, 2014, 03:47:09 pm

Well I'm local mate so put a shout out on here! Best to let Andy know though as I don't get on here too often but more than willing to help out!

Having to take the whole body off to get the engine in place? Thought about front end options? Making a one piece flip front or something? Just in the event of the unthinkable happening... Whole body off to get the engine out is a crying shame.

I'm now going to go back through the thread in case I've missed something haha

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Ralph on December 22, 2014, 04:27:33 pm

Besides body on/off scenario...

What are you thinking air ride wise?

Have you spoken to the Penguin Speed Shop guys? They have some really good contacts for stuff from the states now and seem to be the only people air riding everything that comes near them!

Not much on their site but give em a call and have a chat to them.

http://www.penguinspeedshop.com/

They are hopefully sorting me some cool bits for my 31.

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Cunning Plan on December 23, 2014, 09:32:25 am

Quoting: Ralph

Thought about front end options? Making a one piece flip front or something?

Mmmm, yes!!

Similar to:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v282/v8_nate/Misc/Blasphemi.jpg~original)

Okay, you would lose the cool old-skool 'hood' opening, however, I think that is an acceptable compromise to have much better engine access. (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/mechanic2.gif)

(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/cowboy.gif)

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Roadkill on December 28, 2014, 08:42:41 pm

Quoting: Ralph

Well I'm local mate so put a shout out on here! Best to let Andy know though as I don't get on here too often but more than willing to help out!

Noted and thank you.

Quoting: Ralph

Having to take the whole body off to get the engine in place?

No, not to get it in, to get it to fit . . . there'll be frame and body modifications to get the motor and trans to fit so the best way to attack it is with the body off . . . initially. Once the engine and trans are fixed, it'll be a case of offering the body up a few times and seeing how much needs to be cut out.

Quoting: Ralph

Making a one piece flip front or something?

No, definitely not. It's not the look or style I'm going for and with all that chrome (that I intend to keep) it wouldn't work.

Quoting: Ralph

http://www.penguinspeedshop.com/

Interesting - I'll look them up. Ta. (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/up.gif)

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Roadkill on December 28, 2014, 08:53:36 pm

Any way . . . Where am I ?

Had some issues with the parts Andy produced for me . . or should I say fitting the parts . . . Nothing to do with Andy but an obvious failure between myself and our workshop ended up with ALL of the holes on the plenums being too small.

I managed to resolve the issue with the smaller holes quite easily by opening them out with a step-drill and shaving a little off the stubs on a baby lathe but there was no easy fix for the larger diameter, longer tubes (watch this space).

Some pics . . .

Plenums with balancing tube stubs and 1/4" NPT vacuum take-offs TiG'ed in place . . . Plus the "handed" lids fresh from the laser-cutter.

(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c307/Roadkill-Auto/Project%20-%20CADILLAC/IMAG1095_zps49bf5669.jpg)

Edges cleaned up.

(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c307/Roadkill-Auto/Project%20-%20CADILLAC/IMAG1096_zps81864577.jpg)

All TiG'ed from the inside (I had my reasons).

(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c307/Roadkill-Auto/Project%20-%20CADILLAC/IMAG1097_zps574dfaa0.jpg)

Next, on Christmas eve, I tapped out the 24 x M8 holes and fitted the "studs" which locate the 8 x 2bbl carbs. The 4 x black tubes are silicone and are just loose-fitted for now to check alignment with the ports.

(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c307/Roadkill-Auto/Project%20-%20CADILLAC/IMAG1104_zps972e575b.jpg)

(Two vacuum take-offs - one for the PCV valve and one for the power brake booster)

(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c307/Roadkill-Auto/Project%20-%20CADILLAC/IMAG1103_zpsa2a054c1.jpg)

Lids are only sat on top for now as I need to get the other bits TiG'ed in place first.

(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c307/Roadkill-Auto/Project%20-%20CADILLAC/IMAG1102_zps025c466a.jpg)

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Ralph on January 02, 2015, 09:45:31 am

Ah awesome, yes that makes perfect sense about taking the body off.

That is one mad looking intake, really looking forward to seeing it mate with the motor!

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Roadkill on January 12, 2015, 04:25:37 pm

Quoting: Roadkill

. . . an obvious failure between myself and our workshop ended up with ALL of the holes on the plenums being too small.

I managed to resolve the issue with the smaller holes quite easily by opening them out with a step-drill and shaving a little off the stubs on a baby lathe but there was no easy fix for the larger diameter, longer tubes (watch this space).

Space watched ? (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/tongue.gif)

Anyway, the issue with the larger tubes is now resolved, took a bit of faffing, but got there in the end.

Meaning the next job was to use the off-cut of the larger tubes to start test forming one end into a rectangular-shape for the ports.

I had loads of mental ideas, but spoke to the workshop and got their feedback . . . long story short, I ignored it all and did my own thing - pictures below is the first attempt with an off-cut . . .

It's about 90% where I want it to be . . . I'm going to make a "male" tool to press into the rectangular end to even the sides out but, to be honest, it's use able as is.

I've got two more off-cuts to test on but don't think 'll need them . . really happy with the results . . .

(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c307/Roadkill-Auto/Project%20-%20CADILLAC/IMAG1114_zpsfb7920e8.jpg)

(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c307/Roadkill-Auto/Project%20-%20CADILLAC/IMAG1112_zpsc9d9e3b2.jpg)

Next job is to design the "male" tool and have the workshop make it (or most of it) - then actually form the 8 intake runner tubes . . . .

Slowly, slowly . . . but today was a major hurdle crossed. (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/up.gif)

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Cunning Plan on January 12, 2015, 07:09:39 pm

Quoting: Roadkill

really happy with the results . . .

How did you do that? (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/huh.gif)

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Ralph on January 13, 2015, 09:58:10 am

Doesn't look too bad, did you have something wedged in there and pressed them?

If so make sure they don't warp at the top end.

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Roadkill on January 21, 2015, 05:23:18 pm

Price confirmed for the 8 x 2bbl Stromberg '97's and linkage . . . £1,805. Cash !!!

(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/sofa.gif)

Still, that's the second-from-last major expense before I hit the "start project" button.

Need to do some saving. Or rob a banker. (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/tongue.gif)

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Cunning Plan on January 21, 2015, 06:34:30 pm

... So how did you do the cylinder thing? (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/dontknow.gif)

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Roadkill on January 21, 2015, 08:31:12 pm

I'll take some pictures when I do them for real .... It's pretty crude, but apparently works.

(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/tongue.gif)

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: ianjpage on January 22, 2015, 09:36:37 am

Quoting: Roadkill

Price confirmed for the 8 x 2bbl Stromberg '97's and linkage . . . £1,805. Cash !!

Yikes, definitely not cheap, but will look (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/cool.gif) when done!

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Ralph on January 22, 2015, 11:01:52 am

Going for the full 8!! Nice!

I will just leave this here for you...

(http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/OTk2WDgzNg==/z/cZIAAOxyOlhSwjIB/$_35.JPG)

Title: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Roadkill on January 22, 2015, 11:27:56 am

Must admit I was tempted by the blower but I really do want to keep it under the hood !

At least on this project anyway . . . Project 3 will be a different story. (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/security.gif)

Title: Re: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Ralph on March 13, 2015, 01:07:37 pm

Instantly excited by 'Project 3' haha Gonna have one hell of a mean garage when you are done sir!

Title: Re: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Roadkill on March 16, 2015, 11:04:25 am

I'll just point out at this moment that I haven't forgotten about this project . . . . There's been zero progress on the intake (despite my constant pestering) so nothing's happened.

I am saving for the carbs, and am a bit closer in that respect, at least but won't buy them until the intake is finished. :can:

Title: Re: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Roadkill on May 18, 2015, 12:39:41 pm

Another 2 months and still nothing.

I've pestered the workshop constantly and also looked at alternatives but I'm getting nowhere. Looking back it would've been quicker to learn to TiG and do it myself but the whole idea of this manifold, despite being complex, was to save time by getting someone else to do it.

I've started speaking to a guy in New Mexico about some options . . . Ironically he's out of stock of the main item I need so I'll have to wait as the item in question is cast in limited numbers.
It was one of my original ideas that I moved away from after I thought I'd found someone to fabricate the steel tubing kit I first bought . . . Wish i'd just "gone with it" at the time as I would be 9 months further a head by now.

I'll be collecting what parts I do have from the workshop shortly as it's clear it won't be getting done there.

:down:

Title: Re: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Roadkill on July 17, 2015, 08:45:13 am

What a terrible waste of effort and time. :(

I've lost count of how many uninterested people I've asked to fabricate my manifold design for me . . . . it's no wonder engineering in Britain is going down the pan when no one seems to give a $hit !!

Any way. A glimmer of hope . . .

From what I gather, one of the "big 3" (or only 3) in Cadillac performance parts in the U.S has sold-off his business to one of the others (apparently the other lot - the ones who didn't build my engine) and they've now started re-developing certain parts which they now have rights to.

One of these such parts is a massive-plenum intake manifold . . . . Typically used for forced induction.

Long story short, I've had my name down for the first one off the production line with the new, closed-up base and reduced-height (smaller) plenum.

The part has now been cast, checked, machined and is boxed up waiting to ship.

It'll still need work to make it flow n/a (and it'll need a lid making for it) but it gets round most of the issues I have with fabrication and production. It should also give me a few more millimetres clearance to play with later.

It's not the route I wanted to take at all, but the Caddy project is stalling before it's even started !!!

At least with the intake, I can move on to the next item(s) on the shopping list . . . . and that's one step closer to physically starting.

It's never easy, though . . . . . :can:

Title: Re: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Roadkill on October 23, 2015, 07:53:27 pm

Even I'm getting bored of this.

Not much of an update but I have paid for the intake manifold base and am just waiting for it to be shipped . . . it's been a few weeks so I'm getting nervous with them having my money with nothing to see for it.

Thankfully (??) I paid via Paypal so I'm safe (for now) if something goes wrong . . . . I really hope it doesn't, though, as this is my last option for a interesting intake for the big Cadillac mill.

On a side note I've also progressed the "home foundry" a bit and have started collecting cast ally pieces in readiness . . . . . for something.

Title: Re: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Roadkill on November 18, 2015, 10:56:02 am

Still had no response with regards to my manifold base so asked mate in Texas for some advice . . . He kindly called them (as he's fairly local) and said he was my cousin . . . ! . . . """Apparently""" my manifold was sent to somebody else by mistake, returned to them and then sat in their returns dept. abandoned !!!
They have said it will ship yesterday, via FedEx but, as yet, I have had no confirmation of it being shipped.

I'm skeptical as I never paid for shipping in the first place, just the manifold so they could package it up and get a confirmed price (and have me pay the exact cost later).

:pass:

I'm stuck, really . . . I'll give them til the end of the month then open a dispute via PayPal to get my $750 back !!

:down:

Title: Re: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Roadkill on January 25, 2016, 10:16:18 am

O.K, as mentioned previously, I've now deleted most of the off-topic posts, plus the other crap littering this thread. I've tried to leave it so it still reads normally but apologise if it's a bit clunky in places.

To update from the last post, the cast ally base did arrive after some stern emails and a phone call . . I don't buy the excuses they come up with and when the box arrived, the gaskets that I'd also purchased weren't in there.

They arrived later after more emails and excuses . . .

So here it is :

(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c307/Roadkill-Auto/Project%20-%20CADILLAC/20151202_181307_zpslubywzub.jpg) (http://s30.photobucket.com/user/Roadkill-Auto/media/Project%20-%20CADILLAC/20151202_181307_zpslubywzub.jpg.html)

(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c307/Roadkill-Auto/Project%20-%20CADILLAC/20151202_181249_zps4cpmrtin.jpg) (http://s30.photobucket.com/user/Roadkill-Auto/media/Project%20-%20CADILLAC/20151202_181249_zps4cpmrtin.jpg.html)

The question next (and baring in mind I had no details for this intake) was how am I going to mount 8 x 2bbl carbs on it ?

I was hoping it'd be wide enough to take two, side-by-side but, alas it was just too narrow (ideal for dual quads, though) and long enough for 4-deep.

So a simple flat plate was now looking to be a flat plate with short runners to off-set each carb up and out a bit, to get the spacing.

I sketched a simple design and went hunting for the flat-sided oval tube (to cover both the bores) I needed for the runners . . . found just one place in the U.K stocking anything like it but on calling them find that, no, in fact they don't actually stock it.

:rolleyes:

I could go with rectangular section but, aesthetically, I think that'd probably look crap. Maybe ?

:pass:

I'm working on it today . . . . .

EDIT >>>

Actually, on sketching it up, using a 60 x 40 box section, cut at 45* covers the carb bores nicely and the steel box section has a radius on the edges that is similar to that on the cast runners of the manifold base.

If I powder-coat the lid black is won't look out of place as the bottom of the carbs are also black.

:chiny:

Also, a 30mm high piece of box section puts the side-by-side carb centres at 190mm which is very generous, leaving loads of room for linkages and whatever I decide to do with the fuel lines.

Watch this space . . .

Title: Re: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Cunning Plan on January 25, 2016, 04:39:49 pm

The intake looks very nice and quite well made, however, their service provides doubt as to the durability and quality, especially if something is faulty or breaks on it, I cannot imagine them taking it back for a refund :nono2: Hopefully that will not have to happen though!

Well done to you for trying something new and engineering a new piece of hardware, it looks like a beast of an intake! :clap3:

Title: Re: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Roadkill on January 25, 2016, 05:02:00 pm

Thankfully they don't make the casting themselves - they let the pro's do that, and the design (albeit altered) is proven.

On top of this it's designed as a base for a supercharger (hence the 1" thick sides) so it's massively over-spec'ed for a simple n/a set-up like mine.

I have no doubts over the product, but, yes, the service was rubbish . . . however they're the ONLY people offering this now so I really had no choice. :pass:

Title: Re: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Cunning Plan on January 25, 2016, 07:06:08 pm

Yep, I know you would have good solid logical reasoning behind your decisions.

Anyway, back to the more fun stuff, please can you colour the Boogie Man logo? :cowboy:

Title: Re: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Roadkill on January 26, 2016, 05:47:33 pm

Quote from: Cunning Plan on January 25, 2016, 07:06:08 pm

Anyway, back to the more fun stuff, please can you colour the Boogie Man logo?

No. :tongue:

If anything's getting painted it'll be the "Cadillac" across the valve covers but even then, no.

I don't think it'll be worth it once the dizzy is mounted and the leads are on - it won't be as prominent.

Anyhooo . . . .

More progress in the last 36 hours compared to (probably) the last 36 weeks !!!! :smirk:

I finished drawing the intake lid, did the drawings for manufacture, got a quote for the fabrication, sent the drawings to the fabricator and today the component parts are done (!!)

I've just finished the assembly drawing so they can hopefully start welding it up tomorrow / Thursday. :up:

It's crude but this is how it should look like (there's more going on to add but this is the current gist of it) :

(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c307/Roadkill-Auto/Project%20-%20CADILLAC/Lid_zpswl8x4pqg.jpg) (http://s30.photobucket.com/user/Roadkill-Auto/media/Project%20-%20CADILLAC/Lid_zpswl8x4pqg.jpg.html)

Title: Re: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Cunning Plan on January 27, 2016, 09:03:45 am

Quote from: Roadkill on January 26, 2016, 05:47:33 pm

No.

BOO! :lalala:

Quote from: Roadkill on January 26, 2016, 05:47:33 pm

I've just finished the assembly drawing so they can hopefully start welding it up tomorrow / Thursday.

It's crude but this is how it should look like (there's more going on to add but this is the current gist of it) :

I find it strange that you can do all of that, but you don't get involved with wiring.

Title: Re: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Roadkill on January 27, 2016, 10:07:42 am

Quote from: Cunning Plan on January 27, 2016, 09:03:45 am

I find it strange that you can do all of that, but you don't get involved with wiring.

Firstly, my colour sight isn't good.

Secondly, I've never really got into it.

That said I'm determined to get more involved in the wiring side of the Cadillac simply because I need to know the basics plus ultimately the system will be pretty straight forward (or most of it) . . . We'll see . . .

<EDIT>

I've also instructed the machine shop to mill approximately 20-22mm off the top of the cast ally base . . .

This'll give me more hood clearance and reduce the main plemum volume by about 1800cc so should improve throttle response . . . . I'm also going to add a profile to the underside of the steel lid to further reduce the volume (by about 300cc) and help direct gas flow.

The only other addition not shown on that drawing above is that I'll be adding 2 x 1/4 NPT female bosses behind the carb on the top, left. One of these will connect to the brake booster, the other will be capped as a spare.

Title: Re: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Roadkill on February 03, 2016, 02:41:10 pm

Saw all the component parts of the intake lid this morning . . . just prior to welding (sorry, no pics). Have also now got the 1/4" NPT parts to be installed, too.

Progress is tantalisingly close . . . . :P

Title: Re: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Roadkill on February 04, 2016, 04:25:22 pm

Quote from: Roadkill on February 03, 2016, 02:41:10 pm

Progress is tantalisingly close . . . .

BOOM BOOM !!!

Progress !

(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c307/Roadkill-Auto/Project%20-%20CADILLAC/20160204_1410241_zpsje1z3nka.jpg) (http://s30.photobucket.com/user/Roadkill-Auto/media/Project%20-%20CADILLAC/20160204_1410241_zpsje1z3nka.jpg.html)

The massive plenum is being reduced by machining . . . this was taken after the second pass . . . I left them to it and will collect tomorrow.

(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c307/Roadkill-Auto/Project%20-%20CADILLAC/20160204_1436441_zpsutokxpf3.jpg) (http://s30.photobucket.com/user/Roadkill-Auto/media/Project%20-%20CADILLAC/20160204_1436441_zpsutokxpf3.jpg.html)

The lid turned out better than I imagined . . . . again, I left it there as I want them to add the vacuum bosses but it should be good for me to pick up tomorrow, too.

I think I'm going to end up painting the lid (rather than powder-coating) as the carb bases are finished in black enamel, and I'm trying to match that . . . .

I'll have some filing and grinding to do on the top and underside of the plate, and will need to open-out and tap the holes but I'm pretty happy.

It's early February and this is fairly good progress, compared to recent months . . .

Title: Re: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Cunning Plan on February 05, 2016, 09:01:45 am

Quote from: Roadkill on February 04, 2016, 04:25:22 pm

The massive plenum is being reduced by machining . . . this was taken after the second pass . . . I left them to it and will collect tomorrow.

Offhhhfffff. I bet that was hard to watch! :jaw:

Title: Re: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Titsy on February 05, 2016, 12:55:54 pm

I see you've got some nice big bosses on the intake runners for some direct port nitrous injection. Best get those drilled and tapped for nozzles while it's on the machine... :wink: :nx:

Title: Re: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Roadkill on February 05, 2016, 04:20:05 pm

Nah, the thought crossed my mind but, no, the Caddy's gonna be straight - no gas, and n/a.

It's gonna have enough torque to pull a house down and for a heavy-ass car - that's what she really needs.

Collected both parts from the workshop earlier - am NOT looking forward to the final bill (!!) - will post pics later . . . . :up:

Title: Re: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Roadkill on February 08, 2016, 06:10:07 pm

Boogieman base, machined down 22mm, holes drilled and tapped deeper. One hole stripped so I have a set of 5/16" helicoils on their way.

(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c307/Roadkill-Auto/Project%20-%20CADILLAC/20160206_1437541_zpsv4pwtrlm.jpg) (http://s30.photobucket.com/user/Roadkill-Auto/media/Project%20-%20CADILLAC/20160206_1437541_zpsv4pwtrlm.jpg.html)

Lid sat on base to check heights / general fit - all good.

(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c307/Roadkill-Auto/Project%20-%20CADILLAC/20160206_1451111_zpsmi4hrwth.jpg) (http://s30.photobucket.com/user/Roadkill-Auto/media/Project%20-%20CADILLAC/20160206_1451111_zpsmi4hrwth.jpg.html)

I was pretty strict on the tolerances and - fair play - the guy doing it did a cracking job.

(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c307/Roadkill-Auto/Project%20-%20CADILLAC/20160206_1451391_zpsbvi0hs07.jpg) (http://s30.photobucket.com/user/Roadkill-Auto/media/Project%20-%20CADILLAC/20160206_1451391_zpsbvi0hs07.jpg.html)

Bosses welded on . . . I was planning on putting them behind the rear carbs but there wasn't enough room so they're nestled on the centre-line instead.

(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c307/Roadkill-Auto/Project%20-%20CADILLAC/20160206_1452311_zpsdm5qmphn.jpg) (http://s30.photobucket.com/user/Roadkill-Auto/media/Project%20-%20CADILLAC/20160206_1452311_zpsdm5qmphn.jpg.html)

Happy with the progress and service received. The guy doing it was a little reluctant at first but was intrigued and certainly got involved.

(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c307/Roadkill-Auto/Project%20-%20CADILLAC/20160206_1453541_zps4tigazqx.jpg) (http://s30.photobucket.com/user/Roadkill-Auto/media/Project%20-%20CADILLAC/20160206_1453541_zps4tigazqx.jpg.html)

Next I need to open-up the ports on the underside and also shave-off a bit of the ally base so it all - theoretically - flows nice.

After that I'll tap-out the holes for the carbs and prep so it's ready for paint.

I'd like to further reduce the plenum size but need to think on this as my secondary plan won't work with the vacuum bosses where they are . . . .

Title: Re: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Cunning Plan on February 09, 2016, 09:02:18 am

Always good progress when you offer everything up and see it together.

Let us know how you get on with the Helicoils. :thumbsup:

Title: Re: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Roadkill on February 18, 2016, 08:42:33 pm

Got some serious hours put in on the upper intake section over the weekend . . .

Around 7 hours of filing, grinding, dremeling, linishing (and repeat) . . . . .

Got the "runners" nicely smoothed, though.

(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c307/Roadkill-Auto/Project%20-%20CADILLAC/20160216_101756_zpsuba71lf4.jpg) (http://s30.photobucket.com/user/Roadkill-Auto/media/Project%20-%20CADILLAC/20160216_101756_zpsuba71lf4.jpg.html)
(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c307/Roadkill-Auto/Project%20-%20CADILLAC/20160216_101947_zpskismkgim.jpg) (http://s30.photobucket.com/user/Roadkill-Auto/media/Project%20-%20CADILLAC/20160216_101947_zpskismkgim.jpg.html)

(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c307/Roadkill-Auto/Project%20-%20CADILLAC/20160216_102025_zpspfip1rim.jpg) (http://s30.photobucket.com/user/Roadkill-Auto/media/Project%20-%20CADILLAC/20160216_102025_zpspfip1rim.jpg.html)

Earlier this evening I drilled-out the 24 x holes for mounting the carbs and then did the dreaded task of manually tapping all 24 holes :(

Still. It went well with no issues.

Here's a spare carb-base Stromberg gave me mocked up :

(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c307/Roadkill-Auto/Project%20-%20CADILLAC/20160218_193441_zpsazonatkk.jpg) (http://s30.photobucket.com/user/Roadkill-Auto/media/Project%20-%20CADILLAC/20160218_193441_zpsazonatkk.jpg.html)
(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c307/Roadkill-Auto/Project%20-%20CADILLAC/20160218_193503_zpsuxsslhsz.jpg) (http://s30.photobucket.com/user/Roadkill-Auto/media/Project%20-%20CADILLAC/20160218_193503_zpsuxsslhsz.jpg.html)

It's all nicely de-greased and waiting for receiving its enamel finish . . . . .

Title: Re: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Roadkill on February 23, 2016, 03:17:38 pm

3 good coats of VHT enamel applied and left to dry.

To get full chemical resistance, you need to heat it up to 200*F for over an hour . . . .

It was a tight squeeze, but it *just* about fitted in the oven. :up:

(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c307/Roadkill-Auto/Project%20-%20CADILLAC/20160220_1006311_zps7ambyzzt.jpg) (http://s30.photobucket.com/user/Roadkill-Auto/media/Project%20-%20CADILLAC/20160220_1006311_zps7ambyzzt.jpg.html)

The end result . . . . .

(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c307/Roadkill-Auto/Project%20-%20CADILLAC/20160220_1217221_zpsivatfyuo.jpg) (http://s30.photobucket.com/user/Roadkill-Auto/media/Project%20-%20CADILLAC/20160220_1217221_zpsivatfyuo.jpg.html)
(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c307/Roadkill-Auto/Project%20-%20CADILLAC/20160220_1217541_zpsj1njsjeh.jpg) (http://s30.photobucket.com/user/Roadkill-Auto/media/Project%20-%20CADILLAC/20160220_1217541_zpsj1njsjeh.jpg.html)
(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c307/Roadkill-Auto/Project%20-%20CADILLAC/20160220_1218171_zpsm6fwr8i3.jpg) (http://s30.photobucket.com/user/Roadkill-Auto/media/Project%20-%20CADILLAC/20160220_1218171_zpsm6fwr8i3.jpg.html)

I've now checked all the holes in the cast ally base, fitted the heli-coil insert into the stripped thread and marked the areas that need relieving on the upper flange of the base (more on that later . . . ).

I opted to go for a gasket, rather than RTV (I think gaskets work better over large areas) so have ordered some 0.8mm gasket paper for the job.

Also worked out how I'm going to further reduce the plenum volume so dropped a drawing off into the workshop for that earlier (again, more on that later . . . ).

Title: Re: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Roadkill on February 24, 2016, 03:20:21 pm

Hmm.

It's been a bit of a mixed week so far . . . I found out on Monday that Marty, the guy who built the motor for me has recently passed away. I don't have any details but it was apparently unexpected.

:rip: Marty - the first burn-out will be dedicated to you !!

On a different note, I've been chatting to Clive at Stromberg today regarding the intake manifold and he's been adding his suggestions to the mix which has given me a few ideas to try once I have the filler panel back from the workshop.

After the intake is finished, the next step is a straight-forward (albeit hefty) purchase so my brain can have a well-deserved rest, while my wallet picks up the slack !

Title: Re: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: FUBAR on February 24, 2016, 05:38:16 pm

Looking very :cool: can't wait to see all those Carbs plumbed in & sat on top of that base, proper Car-porn that will be! :up:

Title: Re: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Roadkill on March 07, 2016, 01:34:28 pm

Work in the house has been kinda taking over during the passed week or two but I have now got the gasket paper and the "filler" section for the intake base.

Just need some space (the house is utter chaos at the moment !!) and a couple of free hours and we'll be there . . !

Title: Re: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Cunning Plan on March 22, 2016, 09:02:53 am

I was watching the latest Engine Masters and they were talking about carbs and intakes / inlet manifolds.

Not exactly what you are doing, however I found it interesting and you might too:

Title: Re: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Roadkill on May 03, 2016, 10:45:55 am

Been distracted with decorating, the garden and other non-car related stuff but am soooo close to getting my carbs !!!

The intake lid is all done, but the cast base still needs work . . .

First up is the 8 relief cuts in the side for the runners . . . this may look like a mistake on my part but by creating this interference gave me an additional 20mm extra distance across the carb centres (L-R) meaning plenty of room for linkages and fuel lines.

(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c307/Roadkill-Auto/20160429_101734_zpsdumzahlp.jpg) (http://s30.photobucket.com/user/Roadkill-Auto/media/20160429_101734_zpsdumzahlp.jpg.html)

Taking a nibble out of the (3/4" thick !!) sides still left plenty of material and gave a smooth path from the carb base, all the way to the head . . in fact, at the right angle it's almost line-of-sight to the valves !!

(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c307/Roadkill-Auto/20160429_092452_zps78gbpp4e.jpg) (http://s30.photobucket.com/user/Roadkill-Auto/media/20160429_092452_zps78gbpp4e.jpg.html)

With the relief cuts made, I fettled with the infill plate so that dropped into position.

(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c307/Roadkill-Auto/20160429_101816_zpsry9wgwqg.jpg) (http://s30.photobucket.com/user/Roadkill-Auto/media/20160429_101816_zpsry9wgwqg.jpg.html)

Bare in mind that the purpose of this plate is to massively reduce the plenum volume and encourage flow to the ports . . . .

(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c307/Roadkill-Auto/20160429_101803_zps07gxff1w.jpg) (http://s30.photobucket.com/user/Roadkill-Auto/media/20160429_101803_zps07gxff1w.jpg.html)

It doesn't go all the way to the top on purpose - the vacuum take-offs are directly above the flat-top bit and I didn't want to create a dual-log plenum.

I've since began smoothing out the lines using JB Weld and filling some potential areas where pooling would be likely . . . JB Weld takes ages to harden fully so I'm building up the layers gradually . . .

On a side note I also stated cutting the gasket that'll go between the lid and base . . . already have the fixings . . .

:chiny:

Should be all in one piece before the end of the month (famous last words . . . . . ) :tongue:

Title: Re: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Roadkill on May 05, 2016, 10:19:34 am

And now the messy bit . . .

Got a nice couple of layers of JB Weld around the joins between the plate and the casting . . . dried super solid, which gives me confidence in the product (never used JB Weld before).

(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c307/Roadkill-Auto/20160504_201332_zpsq1jdggxm.jpg) (http://s30.photobucket.com/user/Roadkill-Auto/media/20160504_201332_zpsq1jdggxm.jpg.html)

However, as it's pretty runny, I still had to break out the Chemical Metal to make some little ramps in the corners to stop pooling.

(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c307/Roadkill-Auto/20160504_201418_zpst4eeesut.jpg) (http://s30.photobucket.com/user/Roadkill-Auto/media/20160504_201418_zpst4eeesut.jpg.html)

The original plan was to stop here but after looking at it (and after much thinking) I came to the conclusion that the (now very narrow) troughs, formed either side of the plate, could pool fuel as they'd probably be quite sheltered between the ports . . .

Titsy also pointed out that the middle two ports could be robbing mix from the outer ports leading to poor distribution (all theoretical, of course).

I could've created walls between the ports but then there'd have been a high risk of very little mixing going on and each carb just dumping straight into the port below . . . (again, all theoretical).

So I did a bit of both. Using ally angle, I cut 6 little fillers to remove sheltered areas, encourage flow to the ports, form a barrier between the ports but hopefully keep the barrier low enough that mixing will happen between carbs. Theoretically. :tongue:

The result :

(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c307/Roadkill-Auto/20160504_202600_zps72clv4p7.jpg) (http://s30.photobucket.com/user/Roadkill-Auto/media/20160504_202600_zps72clv4p7.jpg.html)

Of course, these bits are now JB Welded into place but will need further smoothing (back to the Chemical Metal) before finishing with a further layer of JB Weld.

On a side note I've had to order more JB Weld. :smirk: Hopefully it arrives before the weekend. :smirk: :smirk:

I also got the gasket all finished, too.

(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c307/Roadkill-Auto/20160505_085240_zps24cqs6v6.jpg) (http://s30.photobucket.com/user/Roadkill-Auto/media/20160505_085240_zps24cqs6v6.jpg.html)

:up:

Title: Re: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Jo on May 05, 2016, 09:00:50 pm

Looking good.

Title: Re: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Roadkill on May 16, 2016, 09:41:55 am

Finally I can call the intake done and it's - without doubt - turned out better than originally planned.

I always said I wouldn't start taking the Caddy to pieces until certain items were made or acquired and that list is :

1) ~~Engine and ancillaries (less intake)~~
2) ~~Transmission~~
3) ~~Brake system and booster~~
4) ~~Intake manifold~~
5) Carburetors
6) Suspension system

The carburetors are imminent and I spent Saturday digging through boxes of stuff in the shed to remind me what bits I'd previously bought . . it was well worth the time as I found a full set of wheel bearings, new ball joints, new rod ends, centre link repair kit and upper and lower control arm bush kits (basically everything you can buy to rebuild the front end of a '58 Caddy).

There'll always be bits missed but I'm happy I've covered most eventualities . . . . I've even got a complete set of new brake drums, new shoes and master & slave cylinder rebuild kits (just in case I decide not to put on the disc brakes :tongue: )

Anyway, intake done, all filled and ready for sealer :

(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c307/Roadkill-Auto/Project%20-%20CADILLAC/20160507_104937_zps4tixmnpg.jpg) (http://s30.photobucket.com/user/Roadkill-Auto/media/Project%20-%20CADILLAC/20160507_104937_zps4tixmnpg.jpg.html)

Treated with fuel-tank sealer :

(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c307/Roadkill-Auto/Project%20-%20CADILLAC/20160512_190212_zpseclrfzfh.jpg) (http://s30.photobucket.com/user/Roadkill-Auto/media/Project%20-%20CADILLAC/20160512_190212_zpseclrfzfh.jpg.html)

Here's a close-up . . . The smooth finish isn't ideal, I know, but it is limited . . . . the original "as cast finish" is still predominant throughout :

(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c307/Roadkill-Auto/Project%20-%20CADILLAC/20160512_190301_zpshnazqqc7.jpg) (http://s30.photobucket.com/user/Roadkill-Auto/media/Project%20-%20CADILLAC/20160512_190301_zpshnazqqc7.jpg.html)

All assembled and waiting for carbs :

(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c307/Roadkill-Auto/Project%20-%20CADILLAC/20160512_192413_zpskkpeblb8.jpg) (http://s30.photobucket.com/user/Roadkill-Auto/media/Project%20-%20CADILLAC/20160512_192413_zpskkpeblb8.jpg.html)
(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c307/Roadkill-Auto/Project%20-%20CADILLAC/20160512_192436_zpsleqniwfn.jpg) (http://s30.photobucket.com/user/Roadkill-Auto/media/Project%20-%20CADILLAC/20160512_192436_zpsleqniwfn.jpg.html)

Once the carbs are on (and paid for) it'll be back to saving up the pennies for the new suspension before progressing any further.

Title: Re: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Roadkill on May 24, 2016, 09:39:42 am

As planned, I took a trip over to Stromberg's world H.Q (their modest - but very, very cool workshop) to get the 8 '97's and linkage to drive them all installed on the intake.

Clive was as polite and helpful as ever (was even entertaining Jensen) and we quickly got it all put together.

The first two pics are at Stromberg, just prior to finishing the linkage, the second two are showing some different views back home.

(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c307/Roadkill-Auto/Project%20-%20CADILLAC/20160521_135319_zpskdm4siov.jpg) (http://s30.photobucket.com/user/Roadkill-Auto/media/Project%20-%20CADILLAC/20160521_135319_zpskdm4siov.jpg.html)
(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c307/Roadkill-Auto/Project%20-%20CADILLAC/20160521_135311_zpsf5pude6r.jpg) (http://s30.photobucket.com/user/Roadkill-Auto/media/Project%20-%20CADILLAC/20160521_135311_zpsf5pude6r.jpg.html)

(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c307/Roadkill-Auto/Project%20-%20CADILLAC/20160523_082429_zpsji2e1v53.jpg) (http://s30.photobucket.com/user/Roadkill-Auto/media/Project%20-%20CADILLAC/20160523_082429_zpsji2e1v53.jpg.html)
(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c307/Roadkill-Auto/Project%20-%20CADILLAC/20160523_082453_zpsymbrczim.jpg) (http://s30.photobucket.com/user/Roadkill-Auto/media/Project%20-%20CADILLAC/20160523_082453_zpsymbrczim.jpg.html)

Now it's back to saving the pennies for the suspension before progressing much further . . . . I do intend to get the 8-port fuel block and hoses sorted but that's about all I can afford for now. :can:

Title: Re: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: ianjpage on May 24, 2016, 09:49:36 am

That does look so cool !!!!

Title: Re: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Roadkill on June 07, 2016, 09:17:19 am

I originally considered a custom fuel-block for the carbs . . . then thought I was making work for myself so I bought the only 8-port fuel block on the planet (it seems) from Speedway to deliver the fuel.
It's good bit of kit, good quality and excellent price (about $35) . . . . but I'm not happy with it, so am back to making my own fuel block . . . . which'll be more like a fuel rail, complete with pressure gauge (the '97's are pretty sensitive).

Title: Re: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Titsy on June 07, 2016, 12:00:44 pm

Have you looked at any of the distribution blocks made by nitrous manufacturers? There are plenty of 8way block out there.

Title: Re: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Roadkill on June 07, 2016, 01:38:41 pm

Yes, I have, but they don't have the right look / lay-out.

I'm going for old skool - with cherry-red transparent fuel lines all lined-up in a row.

Title: Re: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Roadkill on June 17, 2016, 02:56:14 pm

I've now designed the fuel "rail" and am pretty excited about it. I've ordered a couple of bits and bobs I need to make it work and will wait (im)patiently for them to arrive.

It'll consist of a 1" diameter ally tube, with a 1/4" NPT boss at the back for feed in, a 1/8" NPT boss at the front (for future-proofing), 9 x 1/8" NPT tapped holes to feed the eight carbs, leaving one which I'll mount a very low pressure (0-10psi) fuel gauge to.
The carbs run at between 2.5 - 3psi so the plan is to have a gauge on the rail for ease of regulator adjustment (I'll have a second in the car but that'll be for reference as it'll be a standard 0-15psi jobbie).

The rail will mount to the (as yet undrilled) nitrous bosses on the intake.

Title: Re: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Roadkill on June 28, 2016, 08:35:34 am

I now have all of the NPT fittings and bosses I need. Also now got the 1/4" and 1/8" NPT taper taps I'll need. I've got the 1950's style ruby fuel hose and my corbin-style hose clamps, too.

Just need to progress the "rail" itself . . . . .

On a side note I received the 8 x stainless "bug domes" for the carburetors from the states yesterday . . . at $15 each, they're a bargain but the price rapidly mounts when you need eight of them !!

I have some ideas on some "home-made" velocity stacks (as I'm now doubting I can keep the engine under the hood) but aren't planning on actually making these yet until I know how much space I've got under the hood . . . . I suspect I'll be able to fit the carbs under, but to get the air flow will need to punch through . . . . we'll see.

:chiny:

The Caddy herself is now out of the garage so will be doing a few miles over the summer . . . . :up:

Title: Re: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: PaulS on June 28, 2016, 09:36:00 am

Will be good to see it out and about.

Title: Re: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Roadkill on July 14, 2016, 09:46:44 am

Not much of an update (work has stalled on the fuel rail as I've been working up north so haven't been able to get to the workshop) but I did get the monster manifold sat on top of the block (not installed).

Note the bug domes :cool:

I'm itching to get some velocity stacks made but shouldn't - not til I know clearances.

Still, it's nice to see it "together" . . . . Still got to decide on a colour . . . . . :chiny:

(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c307/Roadkill-Auto/Project%20-%20CADILLAC/20160713_220653_zps1qyjnsko.jpg) (http://s30.photobucket.com/user/Roadkill-Auto/media/Project%20-%20CADILLAC/20160713_220653_zps1qyjnsko.jpg.html)

(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c307/Roadkill-Auto/Project%20-%20CADILLAC/20160713_220720_zpsrgvvv6ss.jpg) (http://s30.photobucket.com/user/Roadkill-Auto/media/Project%20-%20CADILLAC/20160713_220720_zpsrgvvv6ss.jpg.html)

Title: Re: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: ianjpage on July 14, 2016, 10:53:41 am

That looks so sweet with the carbs and domes on!

Title: Re: Roadkill's 1958 Cadillac - PROJECT THREAD
Post by: Roadkill on August 23, 2016, 10:40:45 am

Been putting some miles on the old girl this month - Old Warden for the SuperNats and Sywell for Atomic . . . even took Jensen out for a short drive earlier in the month, too (his first in the Caddy).

She's behaved herself - generally - but did get hot coming back from Old Warden.

I appear to have resolved a long-running water leak she had . . . I've also identified the source of the long-running brake fluid leak she has (but done nothing as it's manageable) . . . The last fluid leak she has is ATF . . . . which seems to be worse when she's hot . . meh . . I'll keep topping her up.
Oil level seems fairly stable.

I've not done anymore to the fuel set-up on the new motor . . . I've been busy doing various other things and the workshop is rammed (again). I have now ordered the special low pressure fuel gauge from Vintage Speed in the states so will push on once that's arrived.

I've also ordered a set of vintage N.O.S key blanks as I only have one set for her and the ignition key is looking frail, to say the least.

I've spent a lot of time thinking about how I want her to "look" when she's done . . . . Part of me would love her all shiny, shiny . . . . this is a simple route as there's an obvious finish line . . . the other part of me loves the patina but this is difficult to know how to progress - especially with regards to the interior, which does need doing but how do you do it and immediately make it look old and worn ??

:pass:

Difficult.

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