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Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on October 18, 2005, 05:04:20 pm
OK, lets start with the full details...
Recently Phil informed me that a guy locally has an 88 Camaro that he unfortunatly rolled leaving it with a twisted chassis, no good panels & a insurance write off.  He then decided to Part the car out & bought a V6 Hardtop Camaro to put his engine, box etc etc into.
Initially Phil, Dean & myself were looking for some other parts from this car so I went round to have a look, take some (crap) piccies & generally see what was there/left.

At this point I was talking to Steve about his plans for what he wanted to keep from the car & what was going into the V6 & at the time he had no plans of selling the Car as it stood, I phoned him up again last week meerly to express our continued interest in the parts we were after at which point he mentioned that due to health problems resulting from his accident he was now considering selling the car as it stood & would I be interested in buying a project...

This is where my ears really pricked up... (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/grin.gif) Definately interested!  The engine his car has got is basically exactly what I wanted to do to mine, performance that is good but isn't gearbox crunching yet still maintaining the 30+ MPG that i need from a daily driver

The car as a whole isn't bad, basically the only thing wrong with it is the Body is F***ed it still drives as he's had it going up & down the lane behind his house, albeit crabbing along & the engine has been run regularly since the accident as he wanted to use it for this other car. It's this that gives me confidence that the engine wasn't destroyed as a result of the crash, although a closer inspection will be done.

Phil has kindly volunteered to come & have a look at it with me if Steve decides he definately wants to sell it whole, I'm keeping my fingers crossed especially as we decided at the weekend that my current engine needs a LOT of work if it's to survive...

As i've said many times before... updates ensue...

Ryan
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Jamieg285 on October 18, 2005, 05:16:08 pm
So what's the plan? Take the0 (V6 (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/eek.gif) ) engine and put it in yours?

If so, what's happening with the v8 ((http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/cool.gif) ) in yours?  I might be interested in it if it hasn't already got a destination.
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Roadkill on October 18, 2005, 05:27:15 pm
30 mpg !!!

(http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/biglol.gif) (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/biglol.gif) (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/biglol.gif)

I Doubt it.  more like 25. ;)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on October 18, 2005, 05:27:53 pm
I will be putting his V8 into my car & removing my 305 (needs a complete rebuild)

I'm not sure whether his is a 350 or a 305 yet but its nice (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/cool.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Jamieg285 on October 18, 2005, 05:36:29 pm
I will be putting his V8 into my car & removing my 305 (needs a complete rebuild)

Ah, didn't realise it was only a 305. I want at least a 327.
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on October 18, 2005, 05:41:50 pm
Ah, didn't realise it was only a 305. I want at least a 327.

Stroke it (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/grin.gif)  Graeme found out when looking at it for dean that you can stroke a 305 to a 327 or a 340...
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Jamieg285 on October 18, 2005, 05:52:05 pm
I wanted something basically sound that wouldn't need a lot of money. It's to go in the car whilst I take the 400 out for the full works.

It needs to be sellable when the 400 goes back in.
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Roadkill on October 18, 2005, 05:54:55 pm
I Thought you had another motor already, Jamie ???
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on October 18, 2005, 05:55:35 pm
well unfortunatly we decided mine needs a lot of work (that was the conclusion wasn't it) so I don't think mine would be a wise one to buy unfortunatly.  The plan for it was to stick it on eBay & see if it sells basically

Unless dean wants another table ;)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: 55starchief on October 18, 2005, 05:56:40 pm
you could get a rebuild kit from the US for about $300 wouldnt be anything great but wouyld work as a run around mill
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Roadkill on October 18, 2005, 06:02:23 pm
Watch this space on the additional coffee table . . .

NO GOD DAMMIT STOP IT !!!!!

:shame: (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/biglol.gif) :shame:
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Roadkill on October 18, 2005, 06:02:44 pm
Ooooo.  Funny smilies . . . ???
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Jamieg285 on October 18, 2005, 06:16:01 pm
I Thought you had another motor already, Jamie ???

Yes and no. I have a 327 block and crank - that's it. It needs machining and absolutely everything buying for it.   If I find a complete runner/something that only needs a bit of work I might be tempted.
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on October 18, 2005, 06:27:36 pm
Would the bits i've got fit on it / in it?
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Jamieg285 on October 18, 2005, 06:32:01 pm
Would the bits i've got fit on it / in it?

Some bit yes, some no.  Not sure exactly what bits yet, but it is worth bearing in mind.
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on October 18, 2005, 09:32:23 pm
If I was to sell the old engine on eBay how much do you guys think its worth? bearing in mind the work needed...
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: 55starchief on October 18, 2005, 09:34:55 pm
yopu should see around £300 mate
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on October 18, 2005, 09:38:14 pm
Thats not bad I suppose  other question which is a difficult one to answer until I have more information is how much to pay for Steve's Wrecked car...
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: 55starchief on October 18, 2005, 09:39:34 pm
I am guessing that he probably bought the car back fro the insurance company so i guess you would start at that figure and bargain mate
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Roadkill on October 18, 2005, 09:41:33 pm
If it's just engine + box + bits, no more than a grand.
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on October 18, 2005, 09:42:48 pm
I am guessing that he probably bought the car back fro the insurance company so i guess you would start at that figure and bargain mate

I hadn't thought that he'd have done that so you're right that would make a good start.
dunno if he'd tell me that though
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on October 18, 2005, 09:44:45 pm
If it's just engine + box + bits, no more than a grand.


The engine is not a stock engine, when I was there the first time (before he wanted to sell it) he was saying he's got reciepts for over £4,000 worth of parts & work on it.  I think its got aftermarket fuel injection on it as I don't remember it looking like TPI when I was there
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Roadkill on October 18, 2005, 09:50:05 pm
Even so you can by a rebuilt and upgraded 350cid on Ebay for £1000 ish - Which hasn't rolled.

Don't forget although it runs, you can't  put it under any pressure with the car in its current state.

Don't insult the guy, but be tough.  Weigh up excactly what he's spent . . . . Also remember you're taking the whole car . . . after you're finished with it you are gonna have to dispose of it.  That itself is cost and hassle.
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on October 18, 2005, 10:13:09 pm
Don't forget although it runs, you can't put it under any pressure with the car in its current state.

This is my only reservation with it, even though he was making headway with plans to re-house it in another car he hasn't been able to properly run it AFIK since the accident.
Why I am so keen on using this car is that with care I reckon that a some of the cost of the Job can be re-couped by selling the remaining components of the car, which are all nice.  Even after we've canibalised the interior parts that the 3 of us want  there's still a lot left which I know won't make a fortune back but it all counts.  Major parts are the Box & rear end (unless its Discs in which case we're switching mine over! its not a POSI)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Jamieg285 on October 18, 2005, 10:19:32 pm
What 'box has it got, and is it baggsied?
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on October 18, 2005, 10:21:38 pm
Its a 700R4 AFIK in perfect working condition, nobody's called shotgun on it yet.

You were looking for an overdrive weren't you Jamie?

This is another reason why i'm keen on this car, I know the engine fits under my bonnet & won't kill the box because its the same as mine!

Ryan
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Jamieg285 on October 18, 2005, 10:30:39 pm
You were looking for an overdrive weren't you Jamie?

I was indeed - hence the question.
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on October 18, 2005, 10:33:39 pm
I was indeed - hence the question.

See this car is seeming more & more like a good idea, thats 4 of us who could have bits from it now...

Anyone fancy a group purchase?? (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/up.gif) ;)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Jamieg285 on October 18, 2005, 10:42:52 pm
Depends very much on price, but potentially yes.

Anyone know how much a used 700r4 costs?
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on October 19, 2005, 01:08:28 am
BTW here are the Pictures I have of the Car, don't know it you've seen them before:
(Thumbnailed)
[img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v223/ryanbudd/Dash.jpg\" border=\"0\"  alt=\"\" width=150>   [img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v223/ryanbudd/RearPanels.jpg\" border=\"0\"  alt=\"\" width=150>   [img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v223/ryanbudd/BootCarpet.jpg\" border=\"0\"  alt=\"\" width=150>

Ryan
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: philoldsmobile on October 19, 2005, 03:41:16 am
hmm,,, he did a good job on that one, didn't he! (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/sad.gif)

like i said ryan, be VERY sure what you want, any used engine is a risk, where as a goodwrench engine is a brand new, from the factory lump...
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: 55starchief on October 19, 2005, 04:13:08 am
Ryan,

A stock 305 rebuild kit inc pistons,cam,lifters,gaskets,oilpump and bearings would run around $350 from performance automotive warehouse in the usa
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on October 19, 2005, 07:21:18 am
$34 for a catalogue!

do they do non stock rebuild kits too?
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: 55starchief on October 19, 2005, 03:42:00 pm
do they do non stock rebuild kits too?

Yup, everything mate. The catalog is thicker than the yellow pages hence the price. Deano has an old one of mine see if he still has it and get a lookie lookie
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on October 19, 2005, 03:43:43 pm
I'm confused again now
more avenues that need investigating...
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: 55starchief on October 19, 2005, 03:49:51 pm
For around $3500 i could have you a 350ci new block and heads, forged pistons and rods all the other goodies etc around 400hp, not sure what the economy would be ,but bloody good fun mate
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on October 19, 2005, 03:55:25 pm
you have to remember my boundaries on this, its GOT to work with a stock 700R4 & my drivetrain, i.e. no more than 300hp & the fuel economy is important as my only Daily car. (probably something like Holley Pro-jection that Phil is saying about)

I'll see what Steve wants for his whole car & take into account saleable bits.  There's a bit of time yet & I don't mind spending a bit of money on my current block to get it running better if things aren't happening instantly but if its going to be replaced I won't be spending a fortune!
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on October 19, 2005, 04:53:42 pm
Whats this like?

http://www.holley.com/products.asp?product=81002001

and this...

http://www.holley.com/products.asp?product=91403211

Shiny (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/up.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: 55starchief on October 19, 2005, 05:02:38 pm
that last one is gonna cost you about $2500+
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on October 19, 2005, 05:07:29 pm
ah...

I see...
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on October 19, 2005, 11:49:23 pm
different thing,

How much normally are those kits you can get for putting shiny things over your top & bottom Rad Hoses?  don't know what they're called but they have end things on them & some flexible "hose" in the middle...

Ryan
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: 55starchief on October 19, 2005, 11:51:27 pm
How much normally are those kits you can get for putting shiny things over your top & bottom Rad Hoses? don't know what they're called but they have end things on them & some flexible "hose" in the middle...


those are a little chavy mate
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Roadkill on October 20, 2005, 12:10:33 am
How much normally are those kits you can get for putting shiny things over your top & bottom Rad Hoses? don't know what they're called but they have end things on them & some flexible "hose" in the middle...

You mean braided hose covers ???

You can pick a kit up for £20-£40.

They do Fuel, Heater and Rad Hoses.

Check the sizes first !!!

Coolflex do the proper stuff.
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on October 20, 2005, 08:42:31 pm
Thats what i'm talking about (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/cool.gif)

http://www.coolflex.com/cfm/store.cfm?maincat=3600&subcat=299&mode=kits&type=1

they do stuff for the heater hoses & wiring looms too...
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Jamieg285 on October 20, 2005, 08:45:14 pm
Not seen that before, not sure I like it either - reminds me of vacuum cleaner hose. (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/grin.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Roadkill on October 20, 2005, 09:05:24 pm
Gotta admit I like the shiney wire-loom covers they do . . . (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/tongue.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on October 20, 2005, 09:08:16 pm
Gotta admit I like the shiney wire-loom covers they do . . .

I'm glad someone else does...
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Jamieg285 on October 20, 2005, 09:10:36 pm
Actually, they're growing on me.  May have to take a proper look in the future.
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Roadkill on October 20, 2005, 09:11:43 pm
I'll definately be looking to add some to the caddy . . . . not too much, mind you . . .
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Jamieg285 on October 20, 2005, 09:22:38 pm
Roadkill
not too much, mind you . . .

Too true - potential for bling overload there.

Maybe get away with more if you used the darker colours.
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Roadkill on October 20, 2005, 09:34:22 pm
Caddy's gonna be painted Dark Blue with Off-White roof . . . . I reckon I could get away with a fair amount of chrome in the engine bay.

(http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/wink.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on October 20, 2005, 09:38:13 pm
I was thinking using the sleeving kits for the Rad hoses & heater Hoses in chrome because they are all over the top of the engine & would look better with a bit of bling.

Thw wiring looms is interesting, it says they do colours too, but doing the wiring bits that are on the engine itself would be a nice idea I reckon.
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on October 20, 2005, 09:39:41 pm
I will have to see what this other engine is like again & have a proper look at it.  Its nice I know but we'll see, its got to be better than the mess thats under my bonnet anyway!
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Roadkill on October 20, 2005, 09:46:56 pm
Wires ?

Cut 'em Out !!! (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/mad.gif) (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/mad.gif) (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/mad.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on October 21, 2005, 12:03:30 am
This is what I want:

(http://www.coolflex.com/gallery/large_pic/cfbelair_lrg.jpg)

Red (which is a nice dark red not brilliant red... how convinient)  with the polished ends.
I'll do that for the 2 rad hoses, & the heater hoses & use bits of chrome wiring loom where appropriate. Very (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/cool.gif)

Ryan
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on October 21, 2005, 12:06:59 am
edit... i've just looked at how much that costs!!! (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/shame.gif) (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/shame.gif) (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/shame.gif)  the heater hose kit is $228 alone!!!(http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/cry.gif)

and that only does 1 hose... (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/cry.gif) (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/cry.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: 55starchief on October 21, 2005, 01:07:45 am
Ryan,
This is not a slip on cover. These are replacment hoses. You should be avble to get a complete kit for your engine at a reasonable price on the web
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on October 21, 2005, 01:10:20 am
Yeah I appreciate that,

the Pimptastic part of my brain is currently battling with the wallet control part which is fast forging an alliance with the common sense part...

would be cool tho wouldn't it (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/up.gif) (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/cool.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: philoldsmobile on October 21, 2005, 02:08:37 am
Ryan - you dont wanna go an inch over 300BHP, otherwise tranny axle, torque arm and lower controll arms will live a very short life.

ditto for 350lbs ft.

a small block with much more than 350 bhp will really start to suffer on fuel economy, i'd aim for 275bhp, you should be able to achieve that with a nice streetable cam (go milde than you think 90% of people over cam)

dont forget, more cam doesn't just affect idle, even the peformance of the brakes will be reduced if you have a major cam in there..

dont go for anything that exceeds your needs, you will regret it. even 250bhp will make a massive difference in your car, but still retain decent economy and street manners.  if you go the crate engine route (i strongly advise this) dont go for anything rated as 'fast road' or 'semi race' or 'street rod' you want a nice fat torque curve, and look for power and torque  peaking at no more than 5000 RPM.

the power charicturistics of the LT1 engine work very well, while being trans and axle friendly, hmmm... that brings us back to that old chestnut, the goodwrench! (very similar engine - £1200 in the UK)

also remember that you will need to budget for a carb, a starter (good time to fit a new one, as mall block starters arent especialy long lived)  and will need gaskets for things like the water pump distributor, and oil pan - none of which come with a crate engine.

using an engine around the price of a goodwrench, you should comfortably be ready to go for £2000 - and thats allowing for new belts, coil HT's and plugs.

also be careful, some aftermarket cams dont have the lobe for driving the fuel pump. the stock pump is perfectly adequate for 250 - 300BHP, if you need an after market pump, you are building an engine that is capable of emptying the float bowl quicker than you want - i.e. its gonna suck gas.

its also worth noting that vortec heads work exceptionaly well on mild small blocks, dont go for ally heads for what you want, otherwise you have to look into lowering springs (the car will sit nose up otherwise)  - more ££££££'s

you dont wanna make un nesicary work and expense for yourself.
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: 55starchief on October 21, 2005, 02:41:32 am
Personaly i would always run an electric fuel pump over a manual, you can always turn the fuel pressure down.

Also take as much crap of the engine thats driven by belts, as each items gonna suck between 5-15hp and thats waisted fuel as well as wasted power.

electric water pumps and fans win everyday in making more power
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: philoldsmobile on October 21, 2005, 04:38:16 am
yeah, but electric waterpumps cost ££££ electric fuel pumps cost £££

the pump on a smallblock is driven off the cam by an eccentric in the timing chest, so its not a significant drain on power, plus (as we found out with deans car - took half an hour to decide what top hose we needed) it always makes life easier to keep the stock belt and pipe routings, well worth considering if its a daily driver..

stock fuel pressure will be perfectly adequate, if it needs more fuel pressure, we will have failed in the quest to keep it economical.

remember, every BHP is NOT vital here, but ease of maintainance and stock type dependability and ease of obtaining parts is.

gotta keep focused on what the car is going to be used for, although obviously Ryan is the person to decide,  i'm pretty sure that he'd sacrifice 5 bhp for the ability to have the car function in the way a standard car does..

this is quite a different mission to Deans car......
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on October 21, 2005, 07:42:27 am
this is quite a different mission to Deans car......

Totally,
My car, atm is my only machine, I want up to 300bhp while maintaining 30+MPG on runs.  The whole mission is about moderate Power & economy.
I am not adverse to things like 'lekky water pumps, after all its been on the cards from day one & IMO ist a VERY wise idea, why waste power pumping water when the alternator & battery can do it for you for the same "price".  If all things work out the only thing powered by the crank will be the ALT, steering pump & possibly the fuel pump, & thats open to suggestions.

Lets put it this way, IF my car gets a new (or 2nd hand) engine the cruise control & Air-con will go. I hate to say this Phil as I know & understand you're viewpoint on this but its not only because its a hassle to keep them but because of there very nature they are accessories.
I NEVER drive my car with the windows closed, EVER, even in the dead of winter (yet to be experienced) I'll still have my window open a crack because I enjoy, as we all do, driving along & hearing that lovely sound coming from the back of the car.  All I need is for the interior blower & heater to work & i'll be fine.

I accept that while Steve's car & engine may, from my memory suit every aspiration that I have for the car & also 3 of you guy's want bits & bobs from the car which would be everso convinient in reducing my outlay for the job, untill I can go & look at the car again with this in mind I can't be sure.  
(BTW a spohn torque arm was on my shopping list!)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: 55starchief on October 21, 2005, 06:56:10 pm
Lets put it this way, IF my car gets a new (or 2nd hand) engine the cruise control & Air-con will go. I hate to say this Phil as I know & understand you're viewpoint on this but its not only because its a hassle to keep them but because of there very nature they are accessories

Well said that man nothing wrong with moving away from stock (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/smirk.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Roadkill on October 21, 2005, 07:01:16 pm
Oooo, OOooo.

Could I have the Air Con Unit. (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/smirk.gif)

<SLAP>

Then again . . .  (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/lol.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on October 22, 2005, 09:19:04 am
Ported from the camaro forum:

Well despite my earlier intentions I won't be there, (Finlay's meet, I was considering going with Art)my car broke down on the way home from work today (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/sad.gif) you want to know the worst / funniest part... its a whole 8 feet off the drive (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/mad.gif) (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/mad.gif) (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/mad.gif)

I have a very slopey drive & it just could not make it up it(http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/sad.gif) no power whatsoever would rev & idle roughly in park but the second I try to drive it the damn thing conks out.

right now I'm annoyed, embarrased (was giving mates a lift) & generally pretty pissed off (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/mad.gif) The long running problems have now reached a point where I can't drive the car.

I'm giving it a couple of hours to cool down & then try to move it again, it works whan its cold!

A very annoyed
Ryan

Edit: see my sig pic... put the front of the car 1/2 way down the side window & thats where its stuck!!!

Gonna see how much a coil costs & get it changed tomorrow...
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on October 22, 2005, 11:56:01 pm
Changed the Ignition coil, dizzy cap & rotor & its running sweet as a (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/OrigGlazed.png) (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/up.gif) (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/up.gif) (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/up.gif)

Ryan
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: art b on October 23, 2005, 12:01:04 am
great news,sounds like ur beating that motherf$*cker,fella (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/shame.gif):
its great when ya solve something yaselve (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/OrigGlazed.png) (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/OrigGlazed.png)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: F Body on October 23, 2005, 12:47:37 am
Quoting: FUBAR
Changed the Ignition coil, dizzy cap & rotor & its running sweet as a  

Glad you got it sorted , hope it isn't just lulling you into a false sense of security !
As Art say's ur gotta get it beat soon (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/mad.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on October 24, 2005, 01:00:31 am
Just got back from Lincoln,
Car ran perfect all the way there & back (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/cool.gif) (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/up.gif) (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/cool.gif)  you know what guys... I think we've cracked it!

btw... new engine no longer on shopping list!!

and today has been the first time i've ever taken a fuel consumption reading... turns out to be a rather impressive 32.09mpg (UK Gallons)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: 55starchief on October 24, 2005, 01:18:13 am
So does this mean you nwont be looking at buying the wrecked 3rd gen now?
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: F Body on October 24, 2005, 02:04:00 am
Quoting: FUBAR
Car ran perfect all the way there & back    you know what guys... I think we've cracked it!

Hope so Fella , think you deserve it by now !
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Jamieg285 on October 24, 2005, 02:25:40 am
Nice one - you can now start REALLY enjoying your car.
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on October 24, 2005, 02:41:57 am
Yeah it means that some of the money i've got saved up can go on more interesting shiny things (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/up.gif)  or Brake rotors.
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on October 24, 2005, 06:36:03 pm
Quoting: 55starchief
So does this mean you nwont be looking at buying the wrecked 3rd gen now?



At the moment no, however i'd imagine he is still contactable about selling parts from it (Back to Plan A).  If anyone wants his numbers get me on my mobile & i'll send em over.

Ryan

Edit: although it has to be said, if he really doesn't want much for it I might consider it if other people are interested too...
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: 55starchief on October 24, 2005, 06:40:21 pm
So have you solved what the noise from the rocker cover was?
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on October 24, 2005, 06:45:42 pm
well, its a lot quieter now & the chain isn't making the noises it was before, so far...  i'll have to see what happens over the next few days...
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Jamieg285 on October 24, 2005, 06:59:10 pm
Quoting: FUBAR
At the moment no, however i'd imagine he is still contactable about selling parts from it (Back to Plan A). If anyone wants his numbers get me on my mobile & i'll send em over.

Ryan

Edit: although it has to be said, if he really doesn't want much for it I might consider it if other people are interested too...


It's still worth enquiring over what it wants for it, I might* be interested in the engine if it's any good and not too expensive.

* don't tell Debs (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/smirk.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: 55starchief on October 24, 2005, 07:02:38 pm
We could always put the engine in chris's fiero if jamie doesnt want it (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/smirk.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Jamieg285 on October 24, 2005, 07:15:21 pm
Quoting: 55starchief
We could always put the engine in chris's fiero if jamie doesnt want it


I thought that had died - I assume it was either not as bad as first thought, or Chris has bought it back from the insurers.
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on October 24, 2005, 08:23:51 pm
Just been & bought 12 month's road tax for it at lunch...  damn government money grabbers.(http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/mad.gif)

Ryan
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: philoldsmobile on October 25, 2005, 01:45:30 am
Quoting: 55starchief
So have you solved what the noise from the rocker cover was?



hmm, odd that - engine is quiet as a lamb now, most of the center electrode was missing from the dizzy cap, with the spring behind it making contact with the rotor arm.

my guess is that as the spring was catching the rotor arm, it was macking the clicking noise..

this is all i can sumise, unless the misfire was causing some strange combustion chamber activity..

my guess on the timing chain noise, was that the misfire was causing the crank to snatch about, causing the timing chain to 'flutter' as it was lashing about. again - all quiet on the western front now!

either way, it seems fighting fit now..

(http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/grin.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: art b on October 25, 2005, 05:17:36 am
re chris's pontiac
spoke to nath and the insurers are paying for it to be repaired(http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/OrigGlazed.png)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Jamieg285 on October 26, 2005, 04:01:02 pm
Ryan, do you know what size wheels are on the rolled Camaro? I might be interested if they are 16"s
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on October 26, 2005, 04:29:59 pm
Unfortunatly one of them is buckled so the set is useless (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/sad.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on October 27, 2005, 08:36:11 am
NEW TOPIC!

Out of the Frying Pan... into the Fire


Its just from 1 thing to the bloody next!  Just before me & Phil Left Old Orleans in Northampton this evening we were talking about headlights & patterns & stuff upon which he commented "well at least you know the engine's running ok now..."

He should have touched some wood... (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/smirk.gif)

Coming off the M1 at Junction 14 I get to the top of the sliproad, go to turn & realise the engine's cut out (remember I can't see my dash gauges) I stop & put the Hazards on.
I tried to re-start the car with no joy, later realising that I didn't have it in Park :confused(http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/grin.gif)

Smelling Petrol I popped the bonnet & was confronted by a stronger smell, then realising that petrol was pissing from the Carb somewhere under the choke all over the top of the engine (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/shame.gif):

AT THIS POINT I SHIT MYSELF (not literally)

Phone Phil paniking after grabbing the fire extinguisher from the passenger footwell WTF do I do now?????  Phil Very very very very kindly came back up the M1 & met me, reassured me of some technical things like it will stop leaking & won't catch fire & waited while we waited for the RAC to come out, m8 I owe you a million & 1 beers for that (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/cool.gif) (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/OrigGlazed.png) (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/cool.gif) (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/OrigGlazed.png) (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/cool.gif) (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/OrigGlazed.png)

So the truck has now woken up ALL of my neighbours, the car didn't catch fire & its parked on my neighbours drive (who are out of the country 10 months a year!  Phew!)

I'm Now going to have a cold shower & go to bed..

(http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/sad.gif)Ryan(http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/sad.gif)

P.s. The " < < " sign at the top of the M1 sliproad now has "AACI RULE" and "MKB WOZ ERE" written in the dirt in big letters on it & a Piccy of a (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/OrigGlazed.png) (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/up.gif)


Oh and we saw a truck that said C.Butts LTD on it (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/lol.gif) (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/lol.gif)



P.p.s No Offence but I am NOT going to Northants meets anymore, everytime I go my Car breaks, the gearbox issues, hot running problems & this all began or started after going to the bloomin Queen Eleanor!(http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/mad.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Jamieg285 on October 27, 2005, 03:12:05 pm
A scary moment indeed - lets hope that it's something fairly simple.

Well done to Phil, a friend you can really depend on.
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: 55starchief on October 27, 2005, 03:52:00 pm
So do you have any idea why it died mate?
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: ianjpage on October 27, 2005, 04:15:29 pm
blimey not a good evening fer ya then mate - glad to hear all is ok and you & car still here (ok it aint running but thats fixable!)

Wonder if the hesitiation earlier on was a pre-cursor to it then??
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on October 27, 2005, 04:33:59 pm
Quoting: 55starchief
So do you have any idea why it died mate?



Well Phil was saying something about a Needle & seat or something last night & that if it gets stuck it will flood the bowls in the carb, then the engine (hence the cut out) & then leak all over the place.

At least it wasn't coming from the fuel filter which means I changed that properly (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/grin.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Jamieg285 on October 27, 2005, 04:39:24 pm
What make of carb is it? I have a book on Holley maintenance if it's any use to you.
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Jamieg285 on October 27, 2005, 04:46:15 pm
I guess it's possible that all of the changes you have made recently and 'freed' the engine up have sent other compenents (i.e. carb) into shock. It's possible that you might get one of two other teething troubles as things get used to running properly.

I would expect that most of them will simply be cases of simple maintenance - just like your engine troubles were.
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on October 27, 2005, 04:51:12 pm
Yeah seems to happen u fix one thing & it put everything else back under more pressure especially getting the engine back up to power like I have done.  Hopefully things will as you say not be too pricey (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/sad.gif)

Jamie its a Rochester Quadrejet, the computer controlled jobby thats been on there for 18 years...
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Jamieg285 on October 27, 2005, 04:53:54 pm
Sorry, I know bugger all about Rochesters. Looks like Philo's the man (again!! (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/wink.gif) )
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on October 27, 2005, 05:01:58 pm
He seems to think its either a gasket in the carb or this needle & seat thing whatever that is got a bit of dirt in it & got stuck open which is why it flooded when I slowed down for the roundabout.
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: 55starchief on October 27, 2005, 05:26:41 pm
Rochester carbs suck and always have done, only the ford carbs are worse. Rip that bitch off and throw a carter,holley or a demon on and solve all your problems
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on October 27, 2005, 05:43:15 pm
I don't really know what to do with this one TBH...
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on October 27, 2005, 06:03:35 pm
Finlay's just put this on the AACI forum:

Originally posted by Finlay

FUBAR...I had exactly the same problem....

The carb is pissing fuel out of the lower gasket because its over pressurised. Undo the fuel return line from the bottom of the fuel pump and unscrew the 90 deg fitting from the fuel pump... Then take that small bit of rubber/ rust out thats blocking the small hole in the fitting .....


Only thing it might of 'Fubar-ed' all your lower gaskets in the carb

Try this before rebuilding the carb

Cheers
Fin
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Jamieg285 on October 27, 2005, 06:28:59 pm
That sounds feasible - did you establish where your fuel pump is - engine or tank?
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on October 27, 2005, 06:36:06 pm
Its on the engine in the usual SBC place which is good.  what does he mean by "Lower gaskets" are they hard to change?
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Jamieg285 on October 27, 2005, 07:15:55 pm
(http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/confused.gif) Pass.
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: art b on October 27, 2005, 07:31:23 pm
sorry to hear this fella,
sounds like it may have been a blockage then the pressure has caused something to rupture(http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/shame.gif):
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Jamieg285 on October 27, 2005, 07:52:33 pm
Quoting: 55starchief
Rochester carbs suck


I thought that's what all carbs did (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/biglol.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: ianjpage on October 27, 2005, 08:03:45 pm
Quoting: Jamieg285
Quoting: 55starchief
Rochester carbs suck


I thought that's what all carbs did


GROAN!!!!
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on October 27, 2005, 09:53:25 pm
methinks I need to gets me one 'a these

http://www.themotorbookstore.com/roccarrepman.html
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Jamieg285 on October 27, 2005, 10:12:59 pm
Yep, looks better than what Amazon came up with  (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/shame.gif):

http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/1563923327/qid%3D1130422454/202-0386489-4075065
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on October 27, 2005, 10:21:53 pm
Yeah I saw that one (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/down.gif) VERY helpful! (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/sad.gif)

all good fun eh... I just have to hope my neighbours don't come home from wherever-land & want their drive back!!!
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: philoldsmobile on October 28, 2005, 01:35:57 am
Quoting: FUBAR

Originally posted by Finlay

FUBAR...I had exactly the same problem....

The carb is pissing fuel out of the lower gasket because its over pressurised. Undo the fuel return line from the bottom of the fuel pump and unscrew the 90 deg fitting from the fuel pump... Then take that small bit of rubber/ rust out thats blocking the small hole in the fitting .....


Only thing it might of 'Fubar-ed' all your lower gaskets in the carb

Try this before rebuilding the carb

Cheers
Fin




sounds like a very likely case...

oh, greame - q jets aint that bad, when set up properly, they work every bit as well as any other carb, and a hell of a lot better than a holley.

 agree the deamon is a nice idea, but then you have issues with all sorts of things like TV cable brackets (critical to get right if you dont wanna nukle the gearbox again) and potentialy problems with the computer freaking out and throwing the car into limp home (the ignition depends on the computer because is has ESC)

also there is the fact that deamons are BLOODY expensive.....

ifor the cost involved, the gains aren't really worth it unless you are looking at a new carb anyway, and i dont think thats likely to be the case..
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on October 28, 2005, 03:27:51 pm
Quoting: philoldsmobile
ifor the cost involved, the gains aren't really worth it unless you are looking at a new carb anyway, and i dont think thats likely to be the case..



You're right its not, this problem I want fixed as cheaply as possible  I'm going to have a poke around with the fuel pump tomorrow & have a go at fixing what finlay has suggested.  I assume the lower gasket on the carb will need replacing anyway too?
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Roadkill on October 28, 2005, 05:14:08 pm
Quoting: FUBAR
methinks I need to gets me one 'a these

]http://www.themotorbookstore.com/roccarrepman.html


Ryan.

I'm going to John Woolfe later today.

I Think they sell this (I Know because the caddy has a Rochester hence I noticed it) - I Could pick it for you ???

I Think it's about £13 ???  Or if it does cover both our Carbs we could go halves ???

(http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/up.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on October 28, 2005, 05:20:35 pm
Erm... ordered it yesterday sorry m8
It works out about the same price I think which is good.  You're more then welcome to borrow it (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/up.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Roadkill on October 28, 2005, 05:31:59 pm
Okkies, Mate.

My fault for working and being away from the Forum for a few days. (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/lol.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on October 28, 2005, 05:36:41 pm
Tell you what tho,

could you see if they sell the gaskets for my carb?  I'm going to need a Lower one by the sounds of it from what Finlay Said. If they have could you pick one / a set up for me however they sell em.

The Carb is a Computer Controlled Rochester Quadrajet.
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Roadkill on October 28, 2005, 07:03:38 pm
Best to look on Ebay (US) for a rebuild kit and take the ones out you need.

I Wouldn't think you'd buy individual ones as the Kit is only $17 !!!

And "Lower one" isn't very accurate . . . . The kits normally contain about 2 Dozen bits !!!

(http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/confused.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on October 28, 2005, 09:19:53 pm
This the sort of thing you mean?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=8010174736&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1

Thats for the non computer controlled ones so I've e-mailed the guy...

Ryan
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on October 28, 2005, 10:46:23 pm
Looking through that guy's ebay store I founf some more piccies of the carbs, this black pipe is very interesting...  I'm wondering if this has perished & come off... 1st thing i'm going to look at tomorrow morning!

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v223/ryanbudd/Car/Qjet.jpg)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Roadkill on October 28, 2005, 10:53:49 pm
Looks like a vacuum pipe, Mate.

Wouldn't have thought that would be causing your problems from what I gather . . . . .
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on October 28, 2005, 11:15:50 pm
dunno the fuel was dribbling from sonewhere under there where it goes thats what I was thinking...

Ryan
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on October 29, 2005, 11:22:52 pm
Ok,

My pump is definately different to Finlay's, all 3 pipes enter on the bottom of the pump, whereas his has a single swivel fitting on the bottom for the return pipe.

If his diagnosis is correct which I reckon is likely then i'm going to need to replace the fuel pump, the fitting for the fuel return hose is an integral part of the pump I have and access to the blocked side of the tiny hole is impossible.

I am also going to replace the 2 rubber fuel hoses that connect to it & fit a fuel filter before the pump so that (hopefully) this problem can be avoided again as it wasn't very nice!

Also the area behind the pump on the engine block is very "black & goopy" (technical term!) any ideas why?

Ryan

p.s. Oh and BTW the carb rebuild kit from that guys is $100 as it includes new bits for just about every component in the carb
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: 55starchief on October 29, 2005, 11:32:55 pm
ok mate sounds like the gasket on the back of the fuel pump has gone this would explain the sludge.
If your going to buy a new fuel pump just buy an electric one, i know philo will go on about a stock pump is ok but electric pumps always work better
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on October 29, 2005, 11:37:34 pm
I'll have to see... I kinda just want this thing resolved rather than having to sort out changing things.

dunno tho, we'll see

Ryan
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: philoldsmobile on October 30, 2005, 02:17:29 am
Quoting: 55starchief
ok mate sounds like the gasket on the back of the fuel pump has gone this would explain the sludge.
If your going to buy a new fuel pump just buy an electric one, i know philo will go on about a stock pump is ok but electric pumps always work better


not at all..

plus the added hassle of having to wire it, plus fitting a fuel pressure regulator..
 
plus it all costs money...
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on October 30, 2005, 11:13:43 pm
guys, is 8mm fuel pipe the right size for the main feed?

the return hose is smaller (6mm I think)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: 55starchief on October 30, 2005, 11:26:39 pm
that would be about right 1/4" return and 3/8" feed
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on October 30, 2005, 11:37:58 pm
Ok cool,

gotta get some new pipes.  This electric pump idea, how much are they roughly? & where abouts do they & the regulator need to be sited? I'm still considering it but I have to remember that if the pump doesn't fix the problem, then I still need to get the carb sorted which will be more costly i reckon...

Ryan
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on October 30, 2005, 11:44:04 pm
mmm shiny (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/cool.gif) (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/up.gif) (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/cool.gif)

(http://www.vehicle-wiring-products.co.uk/VWPweb2000/photos/lma330.jpg)

(http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/wink.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: 55starchief on October 30, 2005, 11:45:42 pm
Email finley, all my prices are in $ but expect to pay around $60 with the regulatot. You would want a holley red. You can fit the pump either at the front or the back but the regulator needs to be at the front so you can adjust it
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Roadkill on October 31, 2005, 07:52:53 pm
Pumps are best located at the rear . . . . see the section on the AACI site . . .  (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/wink.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on October 31, 2005, 09:07:49 pm
something to do with them pushing fuel better isn't it...

anyway i'm going to get a mechanical one for now, mainly for ease.  I just want the damn thing running, i'll worry about playing around with it at a later date.

Ryan
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on November 03, 2005, 05:36:48 pm
Pipes & stuff turned up yesterday so thats all the bits needed to sort the pump out...

These plastic type inline fuel filters, do they need to be fitted at any particular angle? I know there's a flow direction arrow on it but does the unit itself need to be horizontal? Vertical? or doesn't it matter?

Its either going to end up Horiz. or at an angle like this \ with the flow going downwards...

Ryan
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Jamieg285 on November 03, 2005, 05:39:40 pm
The angle shouldn't matter, although if you think logically, horizontal will be better as it will take longer for crap to block the flow.
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Roadkill on November 03, 2005, 05:47:14 pm
Just make sure you get it the right way around. (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/lol.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on November 03, 2005, 05:50:14 pm
Quoting: Roadkill
Just make sure you get it the right way around.


That I will do m8 (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/up.gif)  thing is the existing metal fuel line might need cutting back a bit in order to get it Horizontal & still keep things fairly tidy, do these pipes have any special ends on them? or can you just cut a section off & start the hose from there?
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Roadkill on November 03, 2005, 06:17:19 pm
Just cut 'em, Mate.

No special ends, just Jubilee clamp on the rubber hose with a good overlap.

For a clean cut use a small pipe cutter (I've got one you could borrow) - a hacksaw tends to give a rough shitty result which can wear through the rubber hose.
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on November 03, 2005, 06:25:01 pm
A pipe cutter would be very handy incase this needs doing, Cheers for the offer Dean, probably send Piglet round to pick it up or something (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/lol.gif)

The Pipes are exactly whats in the piccy above (TART!) with the ends etc etc
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Jamieg285 on November 03, 2005, 06:51:11 pm
Go on, spill the beans. Where'dya get the shiny hose? Are they fixed length, or made to order?
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on November 03, 2005, 06:54:53 pm
Here:

http://www.vehicle-wiring-products.co.uk/VWPweb2000/hoses/hoses.html#gen200

I have a catalogue of theirs which i'll bring on sunday.  I thought I may as well seen as you can see the pipes, + I was in magpie mode (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/up.gif)  They do with fixed lengths or per meter & you cut it yourself & pit the end bits on (what i'm doing)

Ryan
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Roadkill on November 03, 2005, 06:58:15 pm
Tart. (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/biglol.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Jamieg285 on November 03, 2005, 07:18:36 pm
Quoting: FUBAR
I have a catalogue of theirs which i'll bring on sunday


Ah, I forgot they did that stuff too. I already have a catalogue of theirs.
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on November 03, 2005, 07:20:10 pm
Quoting: Jamieg285
Ah, I forgot they did that stuff too. I already have a catalogue of theirs.


Ok m8 cool,  I have a spare if anyone wants one...

Looking forward to saturday (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/grin.gif) I hope it fixes the problem I'm just a bit worried that the carb will need to be pulled too (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/confused.gif) (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/sad.gif)

Ryan
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on November 04, 2005, 11:28:21 pm
Just incase...

Is this a fair price for this sort of thing...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ROCHESTER-QUADRAJET-E4ME-GM-CARBURETOR-CHEVROLET_W0QQitemZ8011154362QQcategoryZ33550QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: philoldsmobile on November 05, 2005, 12:46:38 am
yes, that most cirtainly is! budget about £50 for shipping, so to get the correct refurbed carb ffor £200 ish, is a very good deal.
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Roadkill on November 05, 2005, 06:24:23 am
. . . . But for that price you could be eyeing up a Edelbrock . . . . (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/actcool.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: art b on November 05, 2005, 06:08:20 pm
Quoting: FUBAR
mmm shiny    


RE  :   BRAIDED HOSE

these pipes can be cut easily,by wrapping insulating tape,  three or four turns around the cut and sawing gently with a sharp junior hacksaw,no mess no sharp bits!(http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/wink.gif) (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/OrigGlazed.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on November 05, 2005, 06:21:13 pm
Yeah I noticed thats how they cut them I was gonna do something similar. (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/up.gif) Cheers Art (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/OrigGlazed.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on November 11, 2005, 03:35:39 pm
Ok... I went & had a quick check of the car this morning on the way into work & the drip tray is FULL of Oil (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/shame.gif) (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/sad.gif)  I don't know why! (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/confused.gif) (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/sad.gif) It's always had a leak but thats only when the car was in use because it was leaking from the Oil Pressure sender but now it seems to be leaking when not in use.  I'm now worried this is getting expensive very quickly (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/sad.gif) (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/confused.gif) (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/sad.gif)

Either that or its rainwater with Oil on top, but its all very black...
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Jamieg285 on November 11, 2005, 04:20:26 pm
Oh, dear. Better check the dispstick before doing anything else, make sure there's still enough in it.  It's not been standing at a different angle to normal?
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on November 11, 2005, 04:37:17 pm
It has, its nose down-hill at the moment hence why we couldn't change the fuel pump without moving it, it spends 90% of its life facing uphill at quite a steep angle on the driveway.

I don't think thats whats caused it though because I noticed it dripping slowly last week off the back of the engine / exhaust but assumed it was just spilt petrol running off the inlet manifold washing crap off the engine.

If there has been petrol on it it wouldn't destroy gaskets or anything would it?? (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/confused.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Roadkill on November 11, 2005, 04:42:32 pm
Petrol can damage some gaskets, but in your case they'd have to be shot already to be effected by a petrol spill.

Maybe a front oil seal ?

(http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/sad.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Roadkill on November 11, 2005, 04:43:08 pm
How much oil are we talking about ?
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on November 11, 2005, 04:46:51 pm
If its all Oil & not Oil floating on Rain water I'd say Most if not ALL of it its a big drip tray my step dad had made up about 1m x 1.2m

I didn;t want to get all grubby this morning on the way into the office so didn't check anything else.

Ryan
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Jamieg285 on November 11, 2005, 04:49:08 pm
Front oil seal isn't as bad to change as I thought, and will be even easier once you have the knowledge.

I even have (some) of the right tools for it now (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/wink.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Roadkill on November 11, 2005, 04:49:23 pm
IF petrol mixes with oil it'll thin it, as opposed to water that won't.

Is it possible petrol has got in the pan and mixed with a little oil ?
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on November 11, 2005, 04:50:13 pm
Quoting: Jamieg285
Front oil seal isn't as bad to change as I thought, and will be even easier once you have the knowledge.


It was leaking from the back though, which is currently uphill from 90% of the engine block
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on November 11, 2005, 04:51:20 pm
Quoting: Roadkill
Is it possible petrol has got in the pan and mixed with a little oil ?


that is a possibility following last saturday's efforts yes
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Jamieg285 on November 11, 2005, 04:53:22 pm
We could come up with all sorts of suggestions. We really need to know what's in the drip tray, and how much oil is left in the engine.
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on November 11, 2005, 04:56:08 pm
tell you what I'll let you guys know tomorrow when i can get a proper look at it.

Ryan
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Roadkill on November 11, 2005, 04:56:57 pm
What's happening re moving it to the barn ?
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on November 11, 2005, 05:02:05 pm
Phil Made a good point yesterday... when we tried the change the fuel pump the return hose wasn't blocked (at that time), it didn't click at the time but there was fuel coming out of it because of the parking angle.  so... when the new carb turns up we can swap that over, drive the car into the Garage & do the rest of the work in there.

(Also good if its leaking Oil as its only got to go about 20 meters
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Jamieg285 on November 11, 2005, 06:12:44 pm
Did I miss something  - new carb?
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on November 11, 2005, 06:14:58 pm
Quoting: Jamieg285
Did I miss something - new carb?


Yeah I ordered a remanufactured carb same as the one i've got, the pricey option but me & phil were looking at it last sat & reckoned there's definately something wrong with my carb.  Also this will fix the very annoying Cold Starting choke-broken problem too
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Roadkill on November 11, 2005, 06:16:15 pm
When is it due ?
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on November 11, 2005, 06:21:24 pm
should be next week I reckon, its got to come from Cali & I ordered it last sunday
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Roadkill on November 11, 2005, 06:22:13 pm
You got a tracking No. ?
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on November 15, 2005, 03:17:25 pm
Tried to Start the car this morning in an attempt to move it into the Garage so it can be worked on, but to no avail. it fired 1 cylinder once but that was it, I don't think there's enough umph in the Battery to run the ignition system... (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/sad.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Jamieg285 on November 15, 2005, 03:20:00 pm
Battery shouldn't be that flat, you've only been off the road a couple of weeks.

Doom and gloom, you might need a new battery and/or your electrics checked.

(http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/down.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on November 15, 2005, 03:22:27 pm
Or some Jump Leads...

The battery was (as far as the starter is concerned) flat but it was put on slow charge on sunday night, taken off Last night (cos it was full) only thing is its been in the Garage so is cold.
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Jamieg285 on November 15, 2005, 03:26:38 pm
If the battery is off, I'd get it checked anyway. It doesn't sound right.
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on November 15, 2005, 03:31:15 pm
Its Brand new! (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/sad.gif) had it about 6 months as my old one leaked all over the car & dissolved part of the battery tray (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/shame.gif) that was ancient tho
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Jamieg285 on November 15, 2005, 03:37:41 pm
Maybe it's just not powerful enough?
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on November 15, 2005, 04:04:55 pm
it's never had any problems before & was the same spec as the last battery just a sealed unit rather than these open types you put stuff in.

Ryan
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Jamieg285 on November 15, 2005, 04:06:42 pm
Maybe it's not the battery then? Maybe something else??

Did you get round to checking the oil?
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on November 15, 2005, 04:09:49 pm
Its hard to tell with it not being level but there was more in the tray this morning so I put a bit in before trying to start it.

I really really need this car level & preferably in my Garage so I can work on it (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/mad.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Jamieg285 on November 15, 2005, 04:24:09 pm
It's definitely oil in the pan then?  (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/down.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on November 15, 2005, 04:26:46 pm
Not all of it, there was a layer on top of the rainwater, but its definately leaking steadily at the moment
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on November 15, 2005, 04:30:05 pm
Ooh, anyone know where you can buy PTFE Paste? According to Phil I need some to change the oil pressure sender but Halfords don't sell it.

(btw can't use PTFE tape as the sender earth's through the fitting)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Jamieg285 on November 15, 2005, 04:40:10 pm
Can't you put the tape on only part of the thread so that you get the best of both worlds?

Won't paste give you the same problem?

Can you rig up some sort of earth strap to it?

(Let me know all the answers, as one day I will be doing this myself - just waiting for another reason to have the pull the header off)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on November 15, 2005, 04:50:26 pm
I've no idea TBH the part tape should work in theory, I assume the paste leaves small gaps or something
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Roadkill on November 15, 2005, 04:56:21 pm
For PTFE Paste try somewhere like Wickes.

Is that the same as "Plumbers Mate" ???
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Jamieg285 on November 15, 2005, 04:59:53 pm
Quoting: Roadkill
Is that the same as "Plumbers Mate" ???


Isn't that the bloke that makes the tea? (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/lol.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Jamieg285 on November 15, 2005, 05:00:26 pm
If it is, then you will be able to get it from any DIY store.
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on November 15, 2005, 05:04:31 pm
I think it could be you know... i'll investigate that one (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/up.gif)

anyone got some Jump Leads?
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Jamieg285 on November 15, 2005, 05:06:34 pm
Quoting: FUBAR
anyone got some Jump Leads?


Did have, don't know what happened to them.

Make sure you get some decent quality ones. Our cars draw a lot of power, and I melted a cheap set on my old Firebird. (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/jaw.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Roadkill on November 15, 2005, 05:08:02 pm
Chris has got a set in the Fiero.

They're not bad.

Plumber's Mate I might have out in the Garage . . . ?
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on November 15, 2005, 05:10:23 pm
Quoting: Roadkill
Plumber's Mate I might have out in the Garage . . . ?


if its got Teflon written anywhere on it its the same stuff
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Roadkill on November 15, 2005, 05:11:30 pm
I'll have a lookie when I get home . . . I think I may have thrown it out tho'.

(http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/confused.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on November 15, 2005, 05:14:25 pm
Cheers m8, no worries if you have, it can't be that expensive + probably useful to have around.

Borrowing the leads would be a bonus tho... that possible?
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: 55starchief on November 15, 2005, 05:19:18 pm
No plumbers mate isnt the same stuff, there is actual liquid PTFE but i cant remember where i got the last tube i had
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: 55starchief on November 15, 2005, 05:26:47 pm
Liquid PTFE  by Permabond from memory

try an engineering suppliers banox in banbury might have it
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on November 15, 2005, 05:30:20 pm
This stuff:

http://www.screwfix.com/app/sfd/cat/pro.jsp?cId=100136&id=30469
http://www.toolstation.com/?r=k&feature=34357
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Roadkill on November 15, 2005, 05:43:35 pm
Looks like it . . .
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: 55starchief on November 15, 2005, 05:44:37 pm
thats the stuff, i will look when i get home i migt still have some
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on November 17, 2005, 09:24:05 pm
Graeme...

Teflon Paste
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Incursus on November 17, 2005, 09:43:32 pm
Leads are at hanslope (my parents) I can pick them up on Sunday if you still need......and If I remember (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/confused.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on November 17, 2005, 09:51:18 pm
I think I will still need them as the battery will no doubt not be great, I think they tried to deliver my Carb yesterday (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/actcool.gif) so my step dad is going via the office tonight on his way home fingers crossed!
after then all I'm waiting for is a couple of fittings from US Auto to replace the pump - carb fuel line & then I can get cracking!  which reminds me, must phone to chase...
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: 55starchief on November 17, 2005, 09:53:33 pm
Quoting: FUBAR
Graeme...

Teflon Paste



I found the stuff i used to use on the F1 car for the senders, its a pipe seal liquid by permabond. Have at least half a bottle left
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on November 17, 2005, 09:58:26 pm
Quoting: 55starchief
I found the stuff i used to use on the F1 car for the senders, its a pipe seal liquid by permabond. Have at least half a bottle left


Cool, can I have a squirt?
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: 55starchief on November 17, 2005, 10:07:38 pm
Quoting: FUBAR
Cool, can I have a squirt?


(http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/jerkoff.gif) here you go mate (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/roll.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Incursus on November 17, 2005, 10:11:43 pm
Dude thats just wrong (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/confused.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on November 17, 2005, 10:13:34 pm
Quoting: incursus
Dude thats just wrong


Na whats wrong is this

(http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/grin.gif) (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/jerkoff.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on November 17, 2005, 10:16:15 pm
Anyway we digress... if I could borrow the sealant stuff that would be very helpful m8.

bloody US Auto wont have the 2 fittings in until monday then they are posting them to me, looks like this weekend can be scratched too  that is unless the current fitting actually comes out of the fuel pump... it looks proper stuck!
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Roadkill on November 17, 2005, 11:40:55 pm
What fittings ?
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on November 17, 2005, 11:46:45 pm
Quoting: Roadkill
What fittings ?

 where the hard fuel line screws into the fuel pump & Carb, because the top fitting is nearly rounded off & the bottom one looks ceased I'm replacing the hard line with Hose (+ its pimpy!:up(http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/grin.gif), so I need 2 of the screw in fittings with a small length of 3/8 pipe on them to fit the hose too.
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Roadkill on November 17, 2005, 11:55:26 pm
I may have something that'll fit . . . . . It's on the Facet pump I've got . . .
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on November 17, 2005, 11:56:59 pm
If you have I need 2, they are 5/8 fittings with a 3/8 pipe aparantly the same as a holley carb... & they will be replaced
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Roadkill on November 18, 2005, 12:04:54 am
Threaded at one end - Yes?

Not sure what I've got . . . .
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on November 18, 2005, 12:07:43 am
yeah pretty much like this

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mr-Gasket-Fuel-Line-Fitting-2969G-NIB-auto-car-truck_W0QQitemZ8015049260QQcategoryZ42604QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Roadkill on November 18, 2005, 12:13:43 am
Yeeaaah.  Similar.  Mine has step-down ends (so several size pipes fit it)

Don't know the Thread mind you.

They're there if you need them. (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/wink.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on November 18, 2005, 01:43:06 am
No Carb (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/sad.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: philoldsmobile on November 18, 2005, 11:59:32 pm
still?

post is going to be slow now, getting close to chrimbo. i'm still waiting for tail lights and a door handle..
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Roadkill on November 21, 2005, 05:56:12 am
I'm waiting for chrome centre caps . . .

The LSD is delivered tomorrow. (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/up.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on November 21, 2005, 04:38:11 pm
Quoting: Roadkill
I'm waiting for chrome centre caps . . .



Dean when these arrive would you be willing to part with a couple of the retaining Clips from you're old ones?  as 2 of mine are held on with No More Nails at the moment...
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: 55starchief on November 21, 2005, 05:17:11 pm
Quoting: FUBAR
Dean when these arrive would you be willing to part with a couple of the retaining Clips from you're old ones? as 2 of mine are held on with No More Nails at the moment...


ye ha ridem cowboy (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/roll.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: art b on November 21, 2005, 06:24:13 pm
well its beter than "no more centre caps"!!

very qt in here these days??
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: 55starchief on November 21, 2005, 06:34:05 pm
Quoting: art b
very qt in here these days??



Pretty sure everyone is caught up with work mate, i know i am for the next couple of days (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/cryl.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Incursus on November 21, 2005, 09:39:56 pm
Quoting: incursus
Leads are at hanslope (my parents) I can pick them up on Sunday if you still need......and If I remember



Guess What?.........................I forgot the leads...........sorry(http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/confused.gif) (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/sad.gif) (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/confused.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on November 21, 2005, 10:26:36 pm
Quoting: incursus
Guess What?.........................I forgot the leads...........sorry  

 Thats ok m8 no worries, it started briefly yesterday but threw loads of oil out the breathers so I shut it off (Think its overfilled as I added about 1/2 litre & thinned with petrol that leaked in from the flooded engine)

If Jump leads are needed it'll be at the Barn now anyway as its getting Trailered there on Saturday so I can work on it.

Ryan
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: 55starchief on November 21, 2005, 10:50:34 pm
Andy will be in the uk from the 8th - 19th
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Roadkill on November 22, 2005, 12:32:23 am
Would be nice to arrange a meeting with the man.

Is he gonna bring my Heater Core with Him ??? (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/smirk.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: 55starchief on November 22, 2005, 02:18:47 am
Quoting: Roadkill
Is he gonna bring my Heater Core with Him ???


I believe he is mate
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Roadkill on November 22, 2005, 06:43:54 am
Sweet.
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on November 23, 2005, 05:02:02 pm
Ok Guys,
Developments:

After trying to start the car last weekend & the ensuing antics I'm getting a couple of differing opinions on possible solutions, Phil Says that by changing the bits i've already got & changing the Oil the problem might be rectified... but we'd have to see after everything's installed.
Graeme has spoken to Andy (Engine Builder...) & described the situation & he says that if petrol is leaking past the piston rings into the Oil then the Bores have gone & its new Engine time...

I'm really hoping its not option 2... I don't have the money for that(http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/sad.gif) (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/confused.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: art b on November 23, 2005, 07:13:32 pm
it may not be all doom and gloom ryan,
if ya carb had flooded the cylinders,
then under compression the fuel could only go past the rings, if this happened a few times a fair bit of fuel will be in the oil,

as ya engine was running so sweetly prior to the latest incident, i cant see the bores or rings bing shot (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/shame.gif)
drop the oil see how much extra fliud there is, repair the carb, and see how she goes, i reakon things wont be too bad,
 
there some tough mothers these chevy engines(http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/smirk.gif)
good luck with it
art
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on November 23, 2005, 07:46:24 pm
Thanks art, Just what I needed to read TBH I was starting to worry...

A new engine is on the cards but at Zero notice its going to be VERY hard to find funding  The Oil is VERY shitty & was due for a change anyway ASAP so hopefully things will be ok (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/up.gif)

...I hope... (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/confused.gif)

The car's going to the Barn on saturday as my neighbours ar back at the end of the month & discovered last week that it was on their driveway... (oops)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: philoldsmobile on November 24, 2005, 12:50:09 am
dude, dont sweat the neighbours, just come clean, and explain the situation and i'm sure they will understand.

also, on the plus side, the fuel / oil mix would have worked quite well as an engine flush!!!
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on November 24, 2005, 03:10:46 am
Still no bloody Carb!  + US Auto still haven't delivered those 2 fittings (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/mad.gif) slow bastards
seen as this + bar work is stopping me going to southampton this weekend for my little brothers Birthday I want to fix the damn thing on sunday!  If all the stuff isn't here for then I'm going to be in an even worse mood than I am right now (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/mad.gif) (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/mad.gif) (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/mad.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Roadkill on November 24, 2005, 04:21:51 pm
Quoting: FUBAR
Dean when these arrive would you be willing to part with a couple of the retaining Clips from you're old ones? as 2 of mine are held on with No More Nails at the moment...


Yep.

No problem.  Although I think the two caps i've got left aren't much kop . . . .
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Roadkill on November 24, 2005, 04:28:39 pm
Quoting: FUBAR
US Auto still haven't delivered those 2 fittings  slow bastards



I Know US Auto are a firm favourite of PhilO's but In my experience I DO NOT rate them.

They only want to help if the part you want they have on the shelf.

If they have to look, sod it, that's too difficult.

I Head to John Woolfe (about 5 mins from US Auto) - 01234 220700.

They're always happy to help - epecially if it's a little obscure.

When asking US Auto for ball joints for the Caddy I was told (without looking)
"Nah, don't think they make them . . . Couldn't you make some ?" (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/rofls.gif)

Idiot.

Woolfe on the other hand said they'd look into it . . . How important was it ?
I said I'd like a price soon-ish so they sorted the prices and availability there and then.

(http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/up.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Roadkill on November 24, 2005, 04:31:18 pm
Also the Edelbrock Manifold for Chris' Duster was something like £290 and 2 weeks wait in US Auto.

John Woolfe had it in stock - £230 !!!

I Could give SEVERAL other examples of US Auto's rip-offs, too . . . . (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/mad.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Roadkill on November 24, 2005, 04:34:06 pm
Finally. <phew>

Ryan, as Art says, I Doubt you have cylinder damage.
This occurs after prolonged attack by fuel.

A couple of Floods wouldn't have done that.  No way.

My Dodge flooded CONSTANTLY and still had excellent compression for a 1/4 Million Mile+ Block.

(http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/lol.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on November 24, 2005, 04:48:48 pm
Quoting: Roadkill
Quoting: FUBAR
Dean when these arrive would you be willing to part with a couple of the retaining Clips from you're old ones? as 2 of mine are held on with No More Nails at the moment...

Yep.

No problem. Although I think the two caps i've got left aren't much kop . . . .


Cheers m8, I only need the clips from inside, unfortunatly you have to smash the caps to get them out... that ok?
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Jamieg285 on November 24, 2005, 04:50:23 pm
US Auto service depends largely on who you get. There are 2 or 3 decent guys, the rest make up the numbers (IMHO).
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on November 24, 2005, 04:50:25 pm
Quoting: Roadkill
Finally. <phew>

Ryan, as Art says, I Doubt you have cylinder damage.
This occurs after prolonged attack by fuel.

A couple of Floods wouldn't have done that. No way.

My Dodge flooded CONSTANTLY and still had excellent compression for a 1/4 Million Mile+ Block.


Cheers m8 (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/grin.gif): I've had 1 zero notice expensive wallet shock this year, last thing I need i another one!
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on November 24, 2005, 04:56:13 pm
Ooh Dean,

Are you going over to the Barn on Sunday to do some Humber Chopping?  if (a big IF) all the bits have arrived for my stuff any chance I could have a lift over?
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Roadkill on November 24, 2005, 05:03:22 pm
Quoting: FUBAR
you have to smash the caps to get them out


They're already F**ked, Mate. (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/grin.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Roadkill on November 24, 2005, 05:04:47 pm
Quoting: FUBAR
Are you going over to the Barn on Sunday to do some Humber Chopping? if (a big IF) all the bits have arrived for my stuff any chance I could have a lift over?


I'll be going one of the days only.

Are you trailering the Camaro there Saturday ?
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on November 24, 2005, 05:10:24 pm
Yup, but i'm working saturday evening so Can't do any work on it that Day after its dropped off.

Graeme I assume you'll be around to open the doors ???
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Roadkill on November 24, 2005, 05:20:32 pm
I'll explain, but -

What is the exact plan for saturday ?

With estimated times, Please.
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on November 24, 2005, 05:27:32 pm
Phil is coming to my house at about "Lunchtime" we'll then go over to Ray's to pick up the Trailer when he's finished using it which won't be long after this.

Back to mine & load up the car probably about 2pm ??
Go to the Barn & drop the thing off & back home hopefully 5:30ish to give me time to get ready for work
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Roadkill on November 24, 2005, 05:40:35 pm
Two reasons I ask.

1)  I'd asked Phil to pick a sink up for me from Gt. Barford on Saturday Morning . . . As long as he hasn't forgotten this won't effect your plans.

2)  Deep breath.  The Caddy MUST return soon.  (Work have offered to pay for a Fork lift and scissor lift license <£££> but the Caddy must be moved first)  

Also I Need the unit clear over Xmas to spray Chris' Duster.

The Weather, I Think, caught us all off-guard with how quickly it "Turned".
Basically I'm concerned about driving it back . . . and seeing as Rays trailer is being used Saturday anyway thought, only if possible, that we could work in the Cadillac ???

(http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/confused.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on November 24, 2005, 05:44:59 pm
That is certainly a possibility but you'd have to check with Phil, He might have forgotten about the sink tho... he was going to pick the caravan chassis up in the AM but got outbid & last time I spoke to him he was talking about Oil Changes & Astros...

If this Bar work didn't pay nicely i'd not be doing it anymore as its quite a bind on my time & is the only reason for the deadline on Saturday, but its all extra Camaro Money (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/actcool.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Roadkill on November 24, 2005, 06:02:18 pm
I'll have a word with PhilO tonight.
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on November 25, 2005, 11:49:36 pm
I need to go & buy some Oil to do a change in the Camaro this weekend, any recommendations on type & als how Much do I need to get??

Filters' getting changed too
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Roadkill on November 25, 2005, 11:56:17 pm
I Think about 5L or a Gallon will do ya.

I Normally go down to "car spares" in Stony Stratford and tell 'em what I've got - They'll recommend something in varying price ranges.

You're VERY unlikely to find cheaper.

They're a good bunch.

Remember - despite what some may say it isn't critical on what oil you use.

Your car's old - It'll be happy with practically anything.
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Roadkill on November 25, 2005, 11:57:37 pm
I Think I normally go upper to Middle of the Road.

Valvoline For example's about £14, from memory.
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: F Body on November 26, 2005, 12:05:18 am
You'll need 6 litres !

Well just over 5 and a half , don't forget it should be SAE 5W-30 , I use GTX Magnatec which is now sold in loads of cars shops in the right grade.
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on November 26, 2005, 09:10:54 am
Thanks Guys (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/up.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: art b on November 26, 2005, 07:34:00 pm
good luck with it guys,(http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/up.gif)
let us know the news asap
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on November 27, 2005, 09:28:09 pm
Car's in the Barn (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/up.gif) left a nice oil trail across the floor (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/down.gif) and I managed to roll it into Dean's humber (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/shame.gif) oops. no serious damage though (and not even a scratch on the humber!)

now I can fix it! when the bits arrive!
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Roadkill on November 28, 2005, 04:11:09 pm
Quoting: FUBAR
I managed to roll it into Dean's humber


(twice)

(http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/lol.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Roadkill on November 28, 2005, 04:12:03 pm
Let us know if you require Chavscort, Mate.   . . . . . .
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on November 28, 2005, 04:26:23 pm
Quoting: Roadkill
Let us know if you require Chavscort, Mate. . . . . . .


Will do m8, Thanks for offering (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/actcool.gif) are you going to the Barn this weekend at all?
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Roadkill on November 28, 2005, 04:27:47 pm
Not sure . . . Saturday's definately a No-no.  Not sure about Sunday at the Mo'.
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on November 28, 2005, 04:32:17 pm
Sunday is our Xmas meet
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Roadkill on November 28, 2005, 04:48:37 pm
Oh, Yeah. (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/tongue.gif)

Maybe in the morning, Then ???

Unlikely, Though. (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/sad.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Roadkill on November 28, 2005, 05:08:05 pm
Actually, No.

Just remembered I'm decorating this weekend !!!

I've got Friday and Monday booked off for it !!!

(http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/tongue.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Roadkill on November 28, 2005, 05:08:35 pm
As i say.  You're welcome to Chavscort . . . . .
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: 55starchief on November 29, 2005, 06:17:08 am
i will be around at the weekend if you want to do anything, Will also try and get the geny loose from that shed.

Philo you around saturday?
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on December 01, 2005, 04:29:41 am
CARB ARRIVED TODAY!!!!!

Its all clean & new (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/actcool.gif) (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/up.gif) (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/actcool.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: philoldsmobile on December 01, 2005, 04:46:35 am
yup, around sat... its not like i have to work! (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/down.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on December 01, 2005, 05:02:30 am
I don;t want to start anything until i've got all the bits I need...
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Roadkill on December 06, 2005, 04:46:18 pm
Any news on the remaining parts ???
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on December 06, 2005, 05:01:24 pm
Spoke to them yesterday, they said that they had trouble getting them from their main supplier so have made arrangements with another, its all getting very annoying (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/mad.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Roadkill on December 06, 2005, 05:05:39 pm
I'd be tempted to say "F*ck Off, give me my money back"

US Auto are near enough useless. (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/mad.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on December 06, 2005, 05:07:04 pm
TBH i'm tempted to just stick with the manky rounded off hard fuel line & just not bother changing it, that is assuming it comes away from the fuel pump ok...
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Roadkill on December 06, 2005, 05:09:48 pm
I Would at least give it a go first . . . .
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on December 06, 2005, 05:12:57 pm
yeah, otherwise i'll be waiting for ages
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Roadkill on December 06, 2005, 05:25:45 pm
I'll bring the Facet pump with "the Bits" on it on Saturday - along with the Mushroom Breather . . .

BUT

REMIND ME !!!
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: 55starchief on December 06, 2005, 05:27:23 pm
You could always nip over to silverstone circuit and go to one of the many little parts stores there. Im sure you will find the part you need
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on December 06, 2005, 05:27:58 pm
Quoting: 55starchief
You could always nip over to silverstone circuit


Does it take long to walk / cycle?
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: 55starchief on December 06, 2005, 05:31:12 pm
opps forgot, no transport, sorry dude
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on December 06, 2005, 05:33:25 pm
No worries (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/grin.gif)

Its starting to get annoying TBH having to rely on everyone else (mainly me mum!) to get around
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on December 06, 2005, 05:33:45 pm
Yeay 1st 10 Page Thread!
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: 55starchief on December 06, 2005, 05:34:14 pm
i know of a chavscort that might be going cheap, has a couple of dents and no locks (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/roll.gif) only kidding deano
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Roadkill on December 06, 2005, 06:14:11 pm
(http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/smirk.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Roadkill on December 06, 2005, 06:39:04 pm
Quoting: FUBAR
Yeay 1st 10 Page Thread!


THREAD LOCKED !!!! Start a new one !!!

(http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/lol.gif) (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/lol.gif) (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/lol.gif) (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/lol.gif) (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/lol.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on December 06, 2005, 06:40:28 pm
Quoting: Roadkill
THREAD LOCKED !!!! Start a new one !!!



I was wondering when that was going to be mentioned (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/sad.gif) (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/smirk.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Roadkill on December 06, 2005, 06:41:55 pm
Hey, we're MKB it's 101 Pages at least !!!  (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/rofls.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on December 06, 2005, 06:43:43 pm
yeah and who'se stopping there!!  (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/up.gif)  got to get there first tho, no rush... (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/shame.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on December 11, 2005, 01:06:11 am
Car drove home perfectly guys (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/up.gif)

I'm in a very good mood today now (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/actcool.gif) (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/actcool.gif) (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/OrigGlazed.gif) (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/OrigGlazed.gif)

Have to say, thanks for everyone's help again, much appreciated (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/up.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Jamieg285 on December 11, 2005, 01:07:13 am
What did you get done on it?
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Incursus on December 11, 2005, 01:09:12 am
Quoting: FUBAR
Car drove home perfectly guys


Cool (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/up.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on December 11, 2005, 01:09:44 am
Spent today changing my Carb over for this:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v223/ryanbudd/Car/NewCarb1.jpg)
Its a rebuilt Good as new E4ME Quadrajet that I got from this seller on eBay, http://stores.ebay.co.uk/i-5-Components

Turned the key & Vroom the thing fired up right away  so I am in a Majorly good Mood  and my car's home now!

The fuel pump & lines are going to get changed soon when a couple more bits arrive but for now the car works!
The car also got an oil change & new filter as over the last few weeks & for various reasons there was a whopping 12 Litres of Petroly Oil in my engine!!! the stuff was thinner than water when it was siphoned out!
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on December 11, 2005, 01:12:33 am
Only thing I need to get is a new Throttle return Spring & an idle speed solenoid because now theres the nice new carb on there the spring isn't 100% strong enough & the idle speed doobry is playing up
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Roadkill on December 11, 2005, 02:19:43 am
I Got a fairly hefty spring in my toolbox in the Garage, mate.

It's Chrome, too. (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/up.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on December 11, 2005, 02:49:43 am
Is it Borrowable?
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Incursus on December 11, 2005, 05:31:46 pm
Quoting: FUBAR
Is it Borrowable?



No he just likes to brag   (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/littleboy.gif) (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/rofls.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on December 11, 2005, 08:21:12 pm
PMSL (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/rofls.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on December 11, 2005, 10:22:16 pm
You know what, You learn something new every day...

Its always bemused me as to why the drivers side door on my car is in better condition than the passenger side, its less rusty & the hinges are better which is the wrong way around in wear & tear stakes...   Today I might have figured out why...

Another thing thats bugged me but i've never looked at b4 is the fact that the door-ground effect (the bit on the door not the sill) ducks in at the back of the drivers door, I had a look at it while cleaning the car today & it suddenly occured to me, that piece is from a 90 - 92 Aero Style Ground effects because it ducks in to accomodate the little Hole at the rear arch, this means (and brings me back to the first point) that its highly likely my car has had a door off a 90 - 92 Camaro which would explain why its in better nick & they logically would have done the hinges at the same time!

I'm now giving serious thought to the fact that the Tach on my car might need a 1 infront of it...  Carb's dont wear out like mine has in 92,000 miles for a start, even if it has been screwed around with!
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Roadkill on December 12, 2005, 01:58:47 am
192,000 miles ?

N'ah - I wouldn't think so.  It's possible though . . . . . (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/dontknow.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Roadkill on December 12, 2005, 02:38:47 am
Quoting: FUBAR
Is it Borrowable?


Of course, Mate.

It came as a kit - two springs and a bracket, all chrome - albeit "Mr Gasket Chrome"(http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/down.gif)

Two springs were way too heavy hence one is redundant.

You can have it, no probs. (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/wink.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: philoldsmobile on December 12, 2005, 03:15:38 am
Ryan - i think its quite probable the car has 192,000 on it, maknig the gearbox failure actualy a rather positive thing - 192k is a good life for a 700R4, and would mean that it was actualy fairly well looked after. for a 700R4 with a 305 to die in 90k needs some SERIOUS neglect - more than i believe your car has had.

dont worry at all, there are a lot of reliable 300,000 mile 305 thirdgens out there, so 200k is really nothing to worry about.. when a car is 18 or 19 years old, so many things could have happend to it that unless you have an extensive history woth the car, the milage shown on the clock is irrelivant..

for example, how do you know the clocks haven't ben changed? pay no attention to the readout, you have absolutely no way of knowing if its correct..

on the plus side, i have seen cars in FAR worse condition than yours, its definately gonna pull through and be a good car for you.. i will do absolutley anything i can to help you achive that, just ask - if i can help you i will, there is no expiry date on that offer, no maxuimum number of uses.


if you wanna play the milage game, my astro was one of the last built with the 5 digit odometer, so the 103,000 miles on it could be 203,000 or even 303,000... what matterd to me is the van drives and functions perfectly, so it really doesn't matter..

in reality, 203k wouldn't suprise me at all, because it allegedly had a tranny at 90k (190k?) although vans do give the tranny a harder life than cars do due to the weight..

buy these cars on condition rather than milage, unless there is a full history to prove it (although even this can be forged)

glad its up and running again mate! (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/grin.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: philoldsmobile on December 12, 2005, 03:17:56 am
Quoting: FUBAR
for various reasons there was a whopping 12 Litres of Petroly Oil in my engine!!! the stuff was thinner than water when it was siphoned out!


mmmmmmmmmmm, generator fuel!  (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/up.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Roadkill on December 12, 2005, 03:38:59 am
Quoting: philoldsmobile
i will do absolutley anything i can to help you just ask - if i can help you i will, there is no expiry date on that offer, no maxuimum number of uses


Copied and Printed for later use. (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/tongue.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: philoldsmobile on December 12, 2005, 03:46:35 am
meh! (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/up.gif)

ever need a hand with anything, if i can, i will help.
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: philoldsmobile on December 12, 2005, 03:51:55 am
Quoting: Roadkill
THREAD LOCKED !!!! Start a new one !!!


not gonna happen! (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/actcool.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Roadkill on December 12, 2005, 04:39:16 am
Quoting: philoldsmobile
ever need a hand with anything, if i can, i will help.


I know you're always appreciated, Mate.
.
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.
.
.
.
.
.
Ooo.  Did that sound a bit Ghey ? (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/confused.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: philoldsmobile on December 12, 2005, 04:45:29 am
not really!   well....maybe a little..(http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/tongue.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Roadkill on December 12, 2005, 04:52:25 am
<poor Welsh accent>

I'm the only Gay in "the Village"

</poor Welsh accent>

(http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/lol.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on December 12, 2005, 04:52:30 am
so no comments on the door then guys?
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Roadkill on December 12, 2005, 04:53:33 am
Didn't know it required comments . . . except yes, seems feesible.
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on December 12, 2005, 04:53:48 am
Btw I think I'll put a sticky 1 infront of the Tach (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/confused.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Roadkill on December 12, 2005, 04:59:51 am
Ahh, Don't worry, Mate.

As PhilO says nothing to worry about . . . We're not talking about a Ford Fiesta here . . . . .

(http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/wink.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on December 12, 2005, 05:02:56 am
Quoting: Roadkill
Didn't know it required comments . . . except yes, seems feesible.


Fair doos (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/tea.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: philoldsmobile on December 12, 2005, 05:09:46 am
good eye, i never noticed the GFX being different myself!
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Roadkill on December 12, 2005, 05:11:31 am
(http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/shame.gif)

PhilO !!  I'm disappointed in you.

(http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/smirk.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: philoldsmobile on December 12, 2005, 05:12:32 am
never had reason to look at the door GFX that closley! (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/confused.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on December 12, 2005, 05:12:39 am
Quoting: Roadkill
PhilO !! I'm disappointed in you.


Now you mention it that is Kinda shocking!
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on December 12, 2005, 05:13:34 am
TBH I only noticed because when they are 1cm apart & they don't line up its very obvious, on different cars you'd never tell
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: philoldsmobile on December 12, 2005, 05:13:39 am
dude, its your car and you only just noticed!!!!
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on December 12, 2005, 05:15:20 am
no i'd noticed before as its bugged me for ages, i'd just never thought that it could be a different door from a later car, makes me wonder what happened to the old one...  probably dissolved
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on December 12, 2005, 05:16:38 am
Might also explain at least some of the reasoning behind the car getting re-sprayed... next time I have the door cards off i'll try & see if there's any overspray colouring on the inner bits
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: philoldsmobile on December 14, 2005, 05:34:12 am
the car being built in california is all the reason it needs for a respray..

i seriously doubt there is a cali car out there in its origional paint...

mine was painted by lenn lyall chevrolet, in 1988 under warranty...
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on December 18, 2005, 10:28:42 pm
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v223/ryanbudd/Car/DoorPillarDamageSmall.jpg)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on December 19, 2005, 12:23:44 am
Rusty (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/down.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: philoldsmobile on December 19, 2005, 05:02:45 am
hmm, yes and no... yes, its not good, but no, for a good welder like rocky, thats not going to be a particularly difficult repair..
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Roadkill on December 19, 2005, 07:31:11 pm
Nah, not that bad, Mate.

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Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on December 19, 2005, 07:40:10 pm
Hopefully not, it looks worse IRL,  After that & the floor are fixed there's no more major rust worries left on the car AFAIK apart from the Panel on the rear arch, & that can wait until re-spray time.
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Roadkill on December 19, 2005, 07:41:46 pm
After speaking to my brother - he's gonna get me a price for doing the bodywork and spraying the Caddy . . . (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/shame.gif)

Seen some nice colours . . . (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/cool.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: F Body on December 19, 2005, 07:47:11 pm
Quoting: Roadkill
Seen some nice colours .


Please don't tell me they involve matt black  (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/down.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Roadkill on December 19, 2005, 07:56:15 pm
No.  The Caddy's going a (baring in mind i'm slightly colour blind so this is how I'd discribe them) :-

A "Midnight" blue body.  ie. Dark Blue without a hint of anything.
The Roof will be "Off" White or white.  (Basically a little less creamy then it already is.

(http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/cool.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Incursus on December 19, 2005, 08:31:42 pm
Quoting: F Body
Please don't tell me they involve matt black


Nought wrong with Matt Black (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/devill.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on December 20, 2005, 04:15:55 pm
Drove the car to work today for the first time for Months, It started right up & was idleing perfectly at approx 950rpm in Park (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/up.gif)  It's never done that before (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/cool.gif) (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/cool.gif)

SO Glad I bought that carb (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/OrigGlazed.gif) (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/OrigGlazed.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: art b on December 20, 2005, 05:42:47 pm
third gens never die!!!!!! pmsl(http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/lol.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on December 20, 2005, 05:53:10 pm
Well ppl say a 57 Chevy never dies... reckon it applies to 87 Chevys too??? (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/up.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: philoldsmobile on December 20, 2005, 11:54:42 pm
Quoting: FUBAR
Drove the car to work today for the first time for Months, It started right up & was idleing perfectly at approx 950rpm in Park It's never done that before

SO Glad I bought that carb




Most excelent dude! (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/up.gif) (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/up.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on January 09, 2006, 03:27:41 am
Well for those who don't know my heater got fixed to an extent this weekend, I now have adequate control over the air temp but a replacement lever needs to be found for part of heater control that has been broken off in the passengers footwell. once this is replaced I will have complete control again (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/up.gif)

So at least I won't get numb toes driving around anymore. (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/grin.gif)

On a Bad note my Oil leak has got a lot worse... I put 2 ltrs in her this evening and its UP TO the "Add 1qt" Line (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/shame.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on January 09, 2006, 06:29:11 pm
Move the oil discussion here guys, keep edges thread on topic as its about a day out.
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: 55starchief on January 09, 2006, 06:32:58 pm
I would remove each sump bolt spray some carb cleaner in the hole it came from and put some silicon on the bolt and re install. We had a oil leak on the westfield and this solved the problem
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: philoldsmobile on January 09, 2006, 06:37:01 pm
have you tried wynns stop leak? it does work, although its more liekley to reduce rather than stop the leak.

takes a couple of weeks to be fully effective though..
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on January 09, 2006, 06:50:22 pm
Quoting: philoldsmobile
have you tried wynns stop leak?


Nope, might see if I can get the oil pressure sender out tonight, i've got the teflon stuff graeme lent me so, apart from it being a pain to get too its possible...

Apart from that the damn thing needs cleaning properly so it can be investigated properly
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Jamieg285 on January 09, 2006, 06:53:24 pm
Quoting: FUBAR
Apart from that the damn thing needs cleaning properly so it can be investigated properly


A very good move. If you clear all the old crap out of the way, you should be able to see where the leak is starting.
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: philoldsmobile on January 09, 2006, 06:56:36 pm
there are a few areas that are prime candidates for oil leaks on SBC's

pressure sender
dizzy gasket
inlet gaskets on the 'china wall'
rocker cover gaskets
crank seals

its also possible, but unlikley to leak from...

head gaskets,
timing cover gasket,
sump gasket
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on January 09, 2006, 06:58:33 pm
Quoting: philoldsmobile
dizzy gasket


That could be a distinct possibility, I didn't realise it had one...... the bulkhead is all oily behind the engine...
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: philoldsmobile on January 09, 2006, 07:02:10 pm
if thats the case, its not too bad a job to fix, and very cheap. (i think the gasket is about £1)

should be no more than an easy mornings work
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Jamieg285 on January 09, 2006, 07:04:06 pm
Quoting: philoldsmobile
should be no more than an easy mornings work


That'll be afternoon if Ryans doing it  (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/lazy.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: philoldsmobile on January 09, 2006, 07:05:37 pm
should be able to do the job in about an hour...
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: philoldsmobile on January 09, 2006, 07:06:20 pm
in fact, i'll check, i may have a dizzy gasket sitting around here..
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on January 09, 2006, 07:07:15 pm
Quoting: Jamieg285
That'll be afternoon if Ryans doing it


 (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/smirk.gif) True tho...

Whats worrying is that i've been driving around with so little oil in the car (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/confused.gif) (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/sad.gif)  I Knew that Oil on you're road was from my car Phil there wasn;t much there because there wasn't much left!
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: philoldsmobile on January 09, 2006, 07:10:45 pm
the oil pickup is right near the bottom of the sump, so you can littereally run them down to about a liter before it kills the engine.


also, it would be quite obvious if the engine ran out of oil, the noise from a small block with no pressure is quite horrible.

if you added a liter, to bring it to the "add 1 quart" level, there was at least 3 liters left in there, too low, but not dangerously low..
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Jamieg285 on January 09, 2006, 07:10:50 pm
Does your pressure light/guage still work?  If there hasn't been any sign of it (and it's working) then you should be OK. Not ideal, but I don't think any lasting damage would have been done.
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: philoldsmobile on January 09, 2006, 07:14:02 pm
the pressure sender is definatley bad, hence the irratic pressure readings (the needle flits up, indicating it is earthing out) plus its wet by the sender. of the dizzy gasket is bad too, it could loose quite a lot of oil.

the sender can cause quite drastic leaks, because it is one of the only parts of  the engine, other than the head gasket that is in a direct pressure fead area, so a pinhole in the sender would have a spray of about 45psi of oil coming out  of it - it would loose oil at quite a notable rate. of course, it would get steadily worse over time.

if we do the dizzy gasket out of course, that would make access to the sender dead easy..

perhaps we might have time on saturday?
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: philoldsmobile on January 09, 2006, 07:16:13 pm
Quoting: Jamieg285
Does your pressure light/guage still work? If there hasn't been any sign of it (and it's working) then you should be OK. Not ideal, but I don't think any lasting damage would have been done.


there is no light on the thirgen. the guage is a steady reading, then flits UP as the sender dies, but never dips down. i am confident the engine never lost oil pressure, especialy considering the slightly baggy bottom end - any loss of pressure would have resulted in a quite alarming big end rattle, and an audible lifter rattle from all lifters. its a quite distinctive and VERY loud noise / vibration
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on January 09, 2006, 08:20:47 pm
Well its filled as far as I could go on the Oil I had left over from before, I didn't want to start adding a 3rd kind of oil into the engine.  After all its now got Halfords el-cheapo & Castrol GTX High Mileage in it already!
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on January 09, 2006, 09:20:16 pm
Quoting: philoldsmobile
in fact, i'll check, i may have a dizzy gasket sitting around here..



Actually i Just remembered I've got a Gasket kit with the car, there will more than Likely be one in that!

whats it looks like? just a small cardboard ring?
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: philoldsmobile on January 09, 2006, 09:38:17 pm
yup, small ring about the size of a golf ball
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Roadkill on January 10, 2006, 05:04:01 pm
Failing that I've got some good quality Gasket paper in my tool box.
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on January 24, 2006, 06:45:29 pm
Car's going to Rocky's on Friday Morning for him to quote for repairs (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/up.gif) I'm slightly worried... (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/confused.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Roadkill on January 24, 2006, 10:07:09 pm
Good luck, Mate.

Have a good look around . . . I'll be sending some work his way soon so get "a feel" for him.

(http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/tongue.gif)

(http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/smirk.gif)

(http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/shame.gif)

(http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/lol.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on January 24, 2006, 10:10:00 pm
I just hope its not too expensive, especially as it looks like i'm going to have a large insurance bill again this year (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/mad.gif) (see other thread)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Jamieg285 on January 24, 2006, 10:20:44 pm
He's good, the workshop ain't that big, and it untidy (as most workshops are (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/tongue.gif) )  There's been at least 2 yanks there both times I went.

Can't fault the quality of the work, or the price.  I would definitely take mine back.
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Roadkill on January 24, 2006, 10:45:23 pm
Good, he's got traction bar kit and a prop loop to fit to mine . . .  and SFC's to fully weld in.

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Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: philoldsmobile on January 25, 2006, 02:39:13 am
i still may be persuaded into SFC's in due time....
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Jamieg285 on January 25, 2006, 03:07:26 am
Quoting: philoldsmobile
i still may be persuaded into SFC's in due time....


If you enjoy driving your car (which I believe you do (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/tongue.gif)), you will enjoy it EVEN MORE with SFCs.

Having T-tops, the difference will be even more noticeable on yours than it was on mine.
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on January 27, 2006, 07:03:31 pm
Ok, just got back from Rocky's

They reckon circa £300 - 350 to basically fix all the problems with my floorpan.  
Aparantly they use thicker steel that other peeps too...

They are getting my car next saturday
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Roadkill on January 27, 2006, 07:06:17 pm
Sweet, welldone. (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/up.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Incursus on January 27, 2006, 07:11:27 pm
Nice one (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/up.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Jamieg285 on January 27, 2006, 07:13:09 pm
Nice, he seals it up inside and out too.

(http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/up.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on January 27, 2006, 07:13:14 pm
He said to me "Do you have a current MOT on this car?

Yes...

"How did it get one??" (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/confused.gif) (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/shame.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: philoldsmobile on January 30, 2006, 12:50:41 am
sweet.. so basicly you can scrub structural rot from the list of things that need doing..

this could work well, i need to go pick up that compressor tank on saturday, and could use a hand, i guess you will need a lift back from rockies too, plus its in the same sort of area as the tank.....

i see a plan formulating here! (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/grin.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on January 30, 2006, 02:30:43 am
They were going to drop me at Watford Junction which is like 1 mile down the road, but if you need a hand that could be arranged, i'll be aiming to get to watford about 11:30 - 12 on Sat.
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: philoldsmobile on January 30, 2006, 02:41:52 am
works fine, the compressor place in wellyn is open till 12, so if we could get to rockies about 11, that would work out fine.
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: philoldsmobile on January 30, 2006, 02:43:18 am
mapquest reckons they are 14 miles and 27 mins apart.

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Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on February 03, 2006, 03:29:09 pm
Changed the Oil Pressure Sender last night (Graeme i'll bring that Teflon Stuff with me on sunday to give back to you)
1stly why the hell didn;t I just do that months ago?? Phil's description of it being a B1tch to get to was misplaced.  10 Min Job!

When it came off tho, the old one rattled... new one doesn't... thats probably a good thing.  Hopefully this will have cured my Oil Leak! (for now)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: 55starchief on February 03, 2006, 03:30:19 pm
Quoting: FUBAR
1stly why the hell didn;t I just do that months ago?? Phil's description of it being a B1tch to get to was misplaced. 10 Min Job!


He probably read it was hard to do on a forum (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/devil.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: philoldsmobile on February 04, 2006, 02:37:30 am
depends where the elbow is pointing.. you may have been lucky, but mine left the sender in a terrible position, and almost impossible to get to..


by he nature of it being on an elbow, they aint always pointing the same way..

lets hope you lose less oil now..(http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/grin.gif)

also kudos for having a go and doing the job yerself! is the reading of the guage any different?
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Roadkill on February 06, 2006, 04:55:26 pm
So the oil leak wasn't the Dizzy gasket, then ? (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/rofls.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on February 06, 2006, 05:54:45 pm
will find out when i've cleaned it up & run it around for a bit, need to get it back 1st though.
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Roadkill on February 06, 2006, 05:55:59 pm
Pretty sure the Dizzy gasket wasn't it, Mate . . . . I've had cars with NO Dizzy Gasket and they were fine.

When you picking her up ?
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on February 06, 2006, 06:12:20 pm
Before I changed the sender I had a very close look around & the only Oil was around the sender... problem solved hopefully.

I should be picking her up on saturday if all goes to plan, probably having the interior pulled out as we speak... (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/confused.gif)

I'll post piccies when I get them, Richard said he was going to take piccys through the process & when finished before he puts all the interior back which is good (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/up.gif) (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/cool.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Roadkill on February 06, 2006, 06:14:01 pm
Piccys are good . . . . speaking of which - Where's the Final Humber ones Boyo ?

(http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/smirk.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on February 06, 2006, 07:28:37 pm
Quoting: Roadkill
Where's the Final Humber ones Boyo ?


will be up when I get my bluetooth back this week (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/up.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on February 07, 2006, 05:52:08 am
Rocky cleaned up the floor of the car today, reckons an extra £200 on top of previous quote of £350 to fix all requested problems (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/shame.gif) (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/shame.gif) (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/sad.gif)

Good Job I built in a contingency budget!!! (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/smirk.gif)

Not happy with having to spend money on this but it NEEDS doing & will make the car much better in the long run.
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: philoldsmobile on February 07, 2006, 06:25:13 am
gotta take the rough with the smooth dude... (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/sad.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Jamieg285 on February 07, 2006, 03:32:11 pm
Look at it from the positive side, there'll be years of not having to worry about the floor again. (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/up.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on February 07, 2006, 04:34:34 pm
Yeah true, I'm sick of rust how the hell did a 19yr old car get so rusty! (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/mad.gif)  although just thank the lord its not in Valiant Territory!!!
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Roadkill on February 07, 2006, 04:53:05 pm
Quoting: FUBAR
just thank the lord its not in Valiant Territory!!!


(http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/lol.gif) (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/lol.gif) (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/lol.gif)

I agree . . . It's odd that it is sooo bad. (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/dontknow.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on February 07, 2006, 04:57:11 pm
Quoting: Roadkill
I agree . . . It's odd that it is sooo bad.


Definately starting to think that Phil's right and its done 190,000miles
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Roadkill on February 07, 2006, 05:03:57 pm
Mileage don't nessicarily cause rust.

If fact (in my experience) it's lack of use which causes the most damage to cars.
Being parked up in a garage is O.K but if it's parked up in a field or farm yard is bad, very bad.

EDIT: Long grass is a killer as it keeps wet and damp in contact with the floor pan.
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on February 07, 2006, 05:10:46 pm
Yeah then you do end up in Valiant Territory! (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/down.gif)
The last guy who had it kept it in an open Barn (concrete floor) but he only had it for 10 months so it couldn't have done that much Damage in that time, what was done before that is completely unknown...
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Jamieg285 on February 07, 2006, 05:46:48 pm
Quoting: FUBAR
The last guy who had it kept it in an open Barn (concrete floor)


Do you know for a fact that it was kept there all the time?  *Might* only have been for the period when he was selling?
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on February 07, 2006, 05:51:50 pm
I don't no, when I got there it was in the Yard, the underside was totally caked in "mud" though. we had 1/2 the farm on our drive when I washed it the following day.  that would explain it if he'd left that on there for 10 months.
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Roadkill on February 07, 2006, 05:52:26 pm
Didn't you say the arches were clogged with mud when you picked her up ?

Or am I imagining that ? (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/confused.gif)

EDIT:  Nevermind. (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/rofls.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on February 07, 2006, 06:22:55 pm
I'll post a few piccys later on when I get home. Its Scary (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/shame.gif) (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/sad.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: art b on February 07, 2006, 06:23:22 pm
most high mile cars resist rusting
taxis that do mega miles tend not to rust,
as there running all the while the water gets shook out or dried by the air flow,
its wet cars parked in poorly vented garages that fester!
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Roadkill on February 07, 2006, 06:26:53 pm
I Think 190,000 miles is unrealistic, mate.

Just 90,000 hard miles. (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/wink.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on February 07, 2006, 06:31:34 pm
I dunno TBH no way I can prove it 1 way or the other...
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Roadkill on February 07, 2006, 06:44:14 pm
My Dodge had done over 250,000 miles over 35 years and was a true wreck !

Believe me if your Camaro had done 190,000, chances are it wouldn't just be rust you'd have to worry about.

At that point your entire steering rack, ball-joints, shocks . . . would be F**ked.

As Art says, being stationery does the damage, generally.
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on February 07, 2006, 06:49:17 pm
Don't tell me things like that... you're worrying me (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/sad.gif)

The Car is breaking its new year's resolution to have a cheaper year already!
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Giblets on February 07, 2006, 07:34:37 pm
Having not put mine through an MOT yet, I can only hope it's not too grim underneath. A largely garaged existance since it's respray makes me feel a bit better about things.

Hope yours is done spending for you Ryan.
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on February 07, 2006, 08:13:49 pm
Judging by the condition of you're car m8 I don't think you'll have a problem.  As for mine I highly doubt i'll be done spending on it for a while yet... its going to get an engine at some point!
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Rocky on February 08, 2006, 01:05:17 am
Sending some more pics your way mate
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Giblets on February 08, 2006, 01:08:43 am
Welcome aboard Rockola!

First post is always the hardest. Then it gets easier.
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: philoldsmobile on February 08, 2006, 02:23:21 am
welcome rocky!

good to have you here mate, find a comfortable corner, and crack yerself a beer! (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/grin.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Incursus on February 08, 2006, 08:21:42 pm
Quoting: philoldsmobile
good to have you here mate, find a comfortable corner, and crack yerself a beer!


And a (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/OrigGlazed.gif) or two  (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/up.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on February 10, 2006, 02:44:32 am
Rocky, How did today go m8?
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Rocky on February 10, 2006, 02:53:40 am
Just sent you some more pics all welding finished,hopefully you are happier now your car is actually held together.Its NOT a Fred Flintstone car now(http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/up.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on February 10, 2006, 02:58:09 am
Yeah just got them

VERY nice work m8, proper job (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/up.gif) (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/up.gif)  I'm very impressed & Much happier (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/cool.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Rocky on February 10, 2006, 03:00:15 am
Just needs SFCs to stop the cracking in the roof (hint hint)(http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/cool.gif) (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/tongue.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on February 10, 2006, 03:00:28 am
I certainly didn't realise the drivers side was that bad, the seat mounts were literally was hanging on by a thread (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/shame.gif) (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/shame.gif)

and to think i've been driving it like that for a year!!!
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on February 10, 2006, 03:00:51 am
cracking in the roof?
you mean the small paint crack?
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on February 10, 2006, 03:03:12 am
Oh I assume you did that top bit on the Offside front arch, just there's not a piccy of it...
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Rocky on February 10, 2006, 03:24:04 am
Yeah done it all mate,will get more pics tomorrow,SFCs stop the baked bean can effect,on a t-top the glass roof stops it but if you look at hardtops the stress goes all the way up until it reaches the weakest point and starts to split the panel,if you sand that down i bet there is a hairline crack starting.This is why SFCs are so important.Lesson over (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/wink.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on February 10, 2006, 03:25:04 am
hmm I would have thought that Hardtops would have been stiffer than T-Tops...  oh well something for the future then (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/up.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Rocky on February 10, 2006, 03:28:38 am
Hardtops are stiffer, a lot better drivability but they still take a beating like the others on rough roads im afraid.(http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/down.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Rocky on February 10, 2006, 03:29:29 am
If you want SFCs fitting at least there is something to weld them to now(http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/tongue.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on February 10, 2006, 03:29:46 am
Rough roads... like Bedford then!!
Mental note... do not turn 3rd gen into a Monster Truck...(http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/shame.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: philoldsmobile on February 10, 2006, 03:54:15 am
Quoting: FUBAR
Rough roads... like Bedford then!!

aint that the truth!! (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/down.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Roadkill on February 10, 2006, 07:26:27 am
Hard tops rule . . . . but I've STILL got SFC's. (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/cool.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on February 10, 2006, 07:55:02 am
Quoting: Roadkill
Hard tops rule . . . . but I've STILL got SFC's.


Mine will get em eventually
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on February 10, 2006, 03:07:50 pm
Rocky,

What time do you want me to get to you're place tomorrow to pick the car up m8?
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Rocky on February 11, 2006, 01:07:32 am
anytime between 11 and 1 if thats ok.
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: philoldsmobile on February 11, 2006, 01:29:53 am
Quoting: FUBAR
Mine will get em eventually


as will mine..(http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/grin.gif)

i will probably have a strut top brace, too
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on February 11, 2006, 07:39:37 am
Quoting: Rocky
anytime between 11 and 1 if thats ok.


we'll be there at 11am, we have to go somewhere else by early afternoon so we will see you then
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: philoldsmobile on February 12, 2006, 06:06:53 pm
whats even more shocking is that we WERE there by 11am!!  (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/shame.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on February 15, 2006, 11:26:56 pm
And now....


I need to get some serious work done on my car soon...

:- Headlights are STILL sat in my room waiting to be installed
:- Dash Lights STILL don't work
:- Wiring Loom is STILL Buggered under my Dashboard
:- Boot Hatch is STILL Leaking water through the Glass / Hatch Panel Join (Easy Fix I hope)
:- Headliner is STILL Sagging onto my head while driving (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/mad.gif) (Ecklers Order at some point anyone?)
:- Car STILL doesn't like Idleing when cold & US Auto want £50 to replace the Idle speed Solonoid which might not even be the problem!

All this inbetween building a BBQ!
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: philoldsmobile on February 16, 2006, 12:54:47 am
still need to fit bonnet
still need to get rust on screen surround repaired
still need to get astro windows tinted
still need to fit towbar
still would like to fit tranny cooler and change tranny fluid..
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Roadkill on February 16, 2006, 06:38:44 am
Hmm let me think what I've gotta do . . . .

Oh, wait.

No.

In fact . . . I'd rather not. (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/shame.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on February 16, 2006, 04:24:13 pm
Quoting: Roadkill
Hmm let me think what I've gotta do . . . .

Oh, wait.

No.

In fact . . . I'd rather not.


(http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/rofls.gif) (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/shame.gif)
Yeah lots of projects there m8!
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Jamieg285 on February 16, 2006, 08:56:18 pm
Quoting: FUBAR
:- Headliner is STILL Sagging onto my head while driving  (Ecklers Order at some point anyone?)


IF this wedding thingy comes off, I will be looking to complete the collection of parts for my interior replacement (headliner, carpet, few panels.  This would all be happening mid year, enough time before Sept to get them all fitted.

Why Ecklers?  I've done some shopping around, and NPD and Classic Industries work out cheaper (and Classic offer 20% fairly frequently)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on February 16, 2006, 09:12:57 pm
Ecklers was the only place I knew of until I just read you're post...  as long as its a good product I don;t mind where it comes from TBH
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Jamieg285 on February 16, 2006, 09:14:47 pm
They're all pretty much the same manufacturer, just different distributors.
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on February 16, 2006, 09:20:36 pm
Yeah if you look into these things they tend to be.

Fine by me though, I'm still saving all my Bar Wages money so once the car has passed its MOT (April 29th) & if the currently accumulating contingency fund hasn't needed to be raided I will be interested in some Shiny things(http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/up.gif)  either that or i'll pay off the insurance on the credit card, one of the 2!
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Rocky on February 17, 2006, 03:31:08 am
NPD and Classic industries are the best for parts,better to go in person though just to look around(http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/up.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on February 21, 2006, 05:27:34 pm
Ok...
time to stick with what I know. I'm banning myself from looking at eBay motors!!!

Relevant to MY car Nathan is having it this week to change the sump gasket for me.  Hopefully this will fix my Oil Leak!
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on February 21, 2006, 10:35:36 pm
Phil...

A random google search for the solution to my solonoid problem brought up... you guessed it Thirdgen.org's forum!

http://www.thirdgen.org/techbb2/showthread.php?s=f    6ee16b7f1abf02460d5cd3418bdef5a&threadid=268735&go    to=nextnewest

I'm going to do some testing when I get home!  I also now know its called a "Throttle Kicker Solenoid" which is helpful for searching for a replacement if its broken!


Most intriguing thing is this...:

Quote:83_1/2 L69
There is a solenoid on the front of the carb called the “throttle kicker”. It keeps the engine at 1500 RPMs when the A/C is on. It can also be turned on by the ECM!
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on February 21, 2006, 10:51:56 pm
This thread also Linked but mainly for my Reference:
http://www.thirdgen.org/techbb2/showthread.php?s=5  55e8e8d4238f3f843091f77facfbea1&threadid=309856&go  to=nextnewest

Link Storage.
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: 55starchief on February 21, 2006, 10:56:07 pm
Quoting: FUBAR
Quote:83_1/2 L69
There is a solenoid on the front of the carb called the “throttle kicker”. It keeps the engine at 1500 RPMs when the A/C is on. It can also be turned on by the ECM!



That will be the thing i pointed out wasnt  working after you put the new carb on mate. Rember i unpluged it and pluged it back in when the motor started
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on February 21, 2006, 11:01:54 pm
Yes, Its either broken or isn;t getting an "on" signal from somewhere I'm going to investigate tonight because if its broken its £50 to replace! (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/shame.gif)

Will check but I think if I run a wire straight from the battery to the contact it should extend the plunger if its operational.
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Incursus on February 21, 2006, 11:03:02 pm
Quoting: 55starchief
Link Storage.


Ho  (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/smirk.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: 55starchief on February 21, 2006, 11:06:14 pm
Quoting: incursus

Quoting: 55starchief
Link Storage.

Ho



Hmmmm thats odd i didnt quote that
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on February 21, 2006, 11:07:49 pm
Quoting: fjmods
Hmmmm thats odd i didnt quote that


Didn't post it either!
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Jamieg285 on February 21, 2006, 11:10:57 pm
Don't know about the quote, but the original post looks like it was part of the URL that has become detached.
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Jamieg285 on February 21, 2006, 11:11:23 pm
Quoting: FUBAR
Link Storage.

test
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Jamieg285 on February 21, 2006, 11:11:50 pm
Me thinks you guys are playing? (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/confused.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: 55starchief on February 21, 2006, 11:12:10 pm
Quoting: Jamieg285
Don't know about the quote, but the original post looks like it was part of the URL that has become detached.



Just like everything in this thread its broke or doesnt work properly :roll:
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Jamieg285 on February 21, 2006, 11:13:04 pm
Quoting: 55starchief
Just like everything in this thread its broke or doesnt work properly


(http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/rofls.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on February 21, 2006, 11:14:38 pm
Quoting: 55starchief
Just like everything in this thread its broke or doesnt work properly :roll:


Its funny because its true (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/rofls.gif)

(Note... I did make up the fjmods quote, he has Zero posts!)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Jamieg285 on February 21, 2006, 11:17:16 pm
Quoting: FUBAR
(Note... I did make up the fjmods quote, he has Zero posts!)


Must be Gremlins in the system
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on February 21, 2006, 11:19:18 pm
Quoting: Jamieg285
Must be Gremlins in the system


Yeah don't get me wet, might be worth staying out of CMK after 5pm, its raining & I have to cycle home! (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/viking.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Roadkill on February 21, 2006, 11:48:24 pm
Ho's . . . HHooooooOOOOOOOOoooooo's

Could this be :worthless: ???

(http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/lol.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on February 21, 2006, 11:50:25 pm
na... this is my 15 page Tech Support thread! (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/up.gif)  its not all worthless...
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Roadkill on February 21, 2006, 11:50:27 pm
Test.

:worthless:

Ahh, FFS - what we gonna do when PhilO resurrects his S.O.T.M thread again ???

(http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/shame.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on February 21, 2006, 11:51:40 pm
Quoting: Roadkill
Test.

:worthless:

Ahh, FFS - what we gonna do when PhilO resurrects his S.O.T.M thread again ???


SSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!! (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/confused.gif) (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/sad.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Jamieg285 on February 22, 2006, 03:55:53 am
:worthless:

test
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Jamieg285 on February 22, 2006, 04:08:18 am
:worthless:

and again
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Jamieg285 on February 22, 2006, 04:09:40 am
(http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/testforum/img/smilies/worthless.gif)

damn computers
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on February 22, 2006, 04:36:59 am
(http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/down.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: philoldsmobile on February 22, 2006, 04:40:32 am
yeah, i had a glitch too...

plus i'm tearing my hair out trying to get mothers email sorted! (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/down.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: 55starchief on February 22, 2006, 07:07:18 am
ahhhh

Some one needs to come in a clean ryans thread up since jamie decided to use it as a test thread (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/roll.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on February 24, 2006, 11:07:23 pm
(http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/sad.gif)
Nathan has got held up with other jobs so I won't be able to pick my car up until Monday evening (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/sad.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Roadkill on February 24, 2006, 11:16:39 pm
Ahh, that's how a 1 hour job goes sometimes. (http://www.aaci-beds.co.uk/forum/smileys/tongue.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on February 25, 2006, 12:01:51 am
Its not my car thats the hold up though (For once!)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on March 30, 2006, 08:28:34 pm
Car is starting to get a Random Misfire every now & then regardless of temperature, given that I know the Coil, Dizzy cap & rotor are all new would it be reasonable to assume I can kiss goodbye to my knuckle skin because its time for a Plugs Change?

I'll try throwing some Redex into the fuel again 1st next time I fill up, its due a treatment anyway.
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Incursus on March 30, 2006, 08:45:19 pm
Plugs and leads, worth changing both
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on March 30, 2006, 08:59:20 pm
Quoting: Incursus
Plugs and leads, worth changing both


I have some leads, but its one of these Accel Kits, anyone got Crimpers I could borrow that can do Plug Leads?

Still waiting on my Idle control doo-dad from JWR too, hopefully that will help out the cold starts (it had better do!! it cost enough!)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Jamieg285 on March 30, 2006, 09:05:35 pm
Quoting: FUBAR
I have some leads, but its one of these Accel Kits, anyone got Crimpers I could borrow that can do Plug Leads?


Most wire crimpers have a plug terminal bit on them.  I have at least 2 sets, but don't ask me to find them in a hurry.  Since I had my garage door replaced I can barely get in there for all the junk that has been piled in the way.
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on March 30, 2006, 09:09:13 pm
Quoting: Jamieg285
Most wire crimpers have a plug terminal bit on them


aah ok, i'll look at my ones tonight...
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: philoldsmobile on March 31, 2006, 03:32:21 am
i have made a few sets of leads..

jusging by the state of the rest of the HT system, leads are a very wise move..

so would plugs be TBH..
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on April 25, 2006, 10:54:14 am
Car is booked in for its MOT 4:30pm on Thursday.

The Last day of its current MOT ticket!

Phingers Crossed!
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: F Body on April 25, 2006, 11:53:20 am
Quoting: FUBAR
Car is booked in for its MOT 4:30pm on Thursday.


Who's doing the MOT ?

Ain't long till the GMC's is up (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/sad.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on April 25, 2006, 12:08:04 pm
OK Garage in Milton Keynes, same as least year.

if you're wondering i'd be suprised if the GMC would get into their workshop... there's a sharp ramp on the way in that almost hits the nose on my car!
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: F Body on April 25, 2006, 12:10:30 pm
Quoting: FUBAR
there's a sharp ramp



(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/roll.gif)

Ground out on a very slight ramp in Aylesbury last weekend (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/down.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on April 26, 2006, 10:14:47 am
My Wire Separators arrived yesterday (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/up.gif)

So Sat 6th May will be spent changing plugs & wires (ouch!)  Just in time for Rockingham.
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: ianjpage on April 26, 2006, 12:38:24 pm
you never know amte one day it might be all sorterd!!!
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on April 26, 2006, 01:04:20 pm
Have you been at the Grammar checker too!!!   (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/wink.gif) PMSL (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/rofls.gif)

This stuff is ok, its routine maintainance
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: ianjpage on April 26, 2006, 01:10:19 pm
Grammmmer chicker - wots dat ? ? ?

yeah spose so...its just the rest (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/confused.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on April 26, 2006, 01:14:22 pm
Quoting: ianjpage
yeah spose so...its just the rest


Yeah and I haven't even really looked at the engine yet... (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/shame.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: 55starchief on April 26, 2006, 01:20:30 pm
Ryan, if you can remove your old seats at home all but the drivers one that way you can fit the new ones at the barn and not worry about taking the old ones back
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on April 26, 2006, 01:24:09 pm
Quoting: 55starchief
Ryan, if you can remove your old seats at home all but the drivers one that way you can fit the new ones at the barn and not worry about taking the old ones back


Good thinking Batman!!!

I can do that tomorrow as i've got that off too!!!
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: 55starchief on April 26, 2006, 01:24:54 pm
I might well go to the barn thursday night and remove the seats for you mate
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: ianjpage on April 26, 2006, 01:25:00 pm
blimey sensible thining - whatever next!!!! (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/shame.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on April 26, 2006, 01:27:38 pm
Quoting: 55starchief
I might well go to the barn thursday night and remove the seats for you mate


You don't have too m8, i'm quite happy to do it on friday morning.
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on April 26, 2006, 01:28:09 pm
Quoting: ianjpage
blimey sensible thining - whatever next!!!!


Keeping threads On Topic!...

(http://www.sweetiebag.com/product_images/details/Topic.jpg)

naaa never
(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/rofls.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Jamieg285 on April 26, 2006, 01:35:43 pm
Quoting: FUBAR
Keeping threads On Topic!...


Ay, how come the swear filter didn't pick that one up????


(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/lol.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: ianjpage on April 26, 2006, 02:04:04 pm
lol on tpoic - wassat??

(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/offtopic.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on April 27, 2006, 08:01:54 pm
Well the Car Failed its MOT today...

Drivers seat - Fixing Replacing tomorrow morning
Steering Wheel loose - Tightened it up a bit when I got home, it now wobbles less but don't know if this will be good enough (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/dontknow.gif)
Handbrake - LHS Rear wheel has virtually no braking power (Handbrake only).

The current ticket hasn't run out just yet despite what I thought but for a free retest I only have 7 days to fix everything. (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/down.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: philoldsmobile on April 27, 2006, 08:07:07 pm
dude, re steering wheel conversation - dont pull the wheel yet, as i need to scribe the centerline of the top of the boss

basicly what i will do is fill the holes with weld, then face, re drill and re tap the holes, giving you a proper thread..

got some nice funky stainless button head bolts at work too..

if i take the steering wheel away with me fri eve, i can have it back prob tues night..
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: 55starchief on April 27, 2006, 08:09:09 pm
er why not just helicoil it? lot less work than welding and re drilling etc
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on April 27, 2006, 08:34:17 pm
Just looking at steering wheels & stuff on summit... there is varying bolt patterns for where they attach to various aftermarket wheels but are they universal where they attach to the Car?
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: philoldsmobile on April 27, 2006, 08:58:10 pm
Quoting: 55starchief
er why not just helicoil it? lot less work than welding and re drilling etc


coz i dont have a helicoil kit!!

welding, facing and re drilling is no effort! remember, i have an entire fabrication shop at my disposal!
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: philoldsmobile on April 27, 2006, 08:58:59 pm
Quoting: FUBAR
Just looking at steering wheels & stuff on summit... there is varying bolt patterns for where they attach to various aftermarket wheels but are they universal where they attach to the Car?


no, every car is different.. oddly enough, ours are the same as 1985 jeep wrangler!
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: 55starchief on April 27, 2006, 09:01:26 pm
Quoting: philoldsmobile


coz i dont have a helicoil kit!!

welding, facing and re drilling is no effort! remember, i have an entire fabrication shop at my disposal!


but those boses are cast mate and the metal is crap quality, but hey knock yourself out. Even easier would be to just put longer bolts through and nylock them at the back
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on April 27, 2006, 09:01:52 pm
search for this part on summit

LAC-B-26400

will that fit, says it will...
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: philoldsmobile on April 27, 2006, 09:02:27 pm
also an option...

either way, the problem is no big deal..
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: philoldsmobile on April 27, 2006, 09:03:12 pm
whats summits web addy?
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on April 27, 2006, 09:03:14 pm
And this

LAC-44403

(Thats a wheel)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: philoldsmobile on April 27, 2006, 09:05:20 pm
url?
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on April 27, 2006, 09:05:32 pm
Quoting: philoldsmobile
whats summits web addy?


www.summitracing.com
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: philoldsmobile on April 27, 2006, 09:07:42 pm
looks a bit hokey to me mate...

there is a proper part made by grant (and APC) that specificly fits the thirdgen.. (i believe its listed as firebird though)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: philoldsmobile on April 27, 2006, 09:08:15 pm
its about $30 cheaper for the specific part than that one, too
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on April 27, 2006, 09:11:00 pm
Hokey?
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: philoldsmobile on April 27, 2006, 09:12:17 pm
this..

http://www.7453217467431.com/products/productDetai ls.jsp?PRODUCT%3C%3Eprd_id=107143&FOLDER%3C%3Efold er_id=48905&affID=39901&bmUID=1146171868937
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: philoldsmobile on April 27, 2006, 09:13:55 pm
Quoting: FUBAR
Hokey?


not very good, a little cheesey..

i dont like the idea of a "fits most things" adapter for steering wheels..

granted, many are the same, but i'd rather see my car specificly listed on the package..

also you can buy a grant one (good quality)  for $19, so why spend $60?
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on April 27, 2006, 09:18:42 pm
Quoting: philoldsmobile
i dont like the idea of a "fits most things" adapter for steering wheels..

granted, many are the same, but i'd rather see my car specificly listed on the package..


I've gone back & looked through the application Listing... all 11 pages


Universal (application) No
Make           CHEVROLET
Model          CAMARO
Beginning Year       1967
Ending Year            1994
Steering Wheel Fitment          Grant Classic Series
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on May 02, 2006, 12:46:17 pm
Chris

I have asked about the Garage for this eveing & it will probably be ok so if you could pop round & give me a hand that would be cool.  It will probably be easiest if I call you when I get home from the gym.
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Incursus on May 02, 2006, 01:54:56 pm
Quoting: FUBAR
It will probably be easiest if I call you when I get home from the gym.


Okie doke, got all the tools you need?  Not that I have much...

A case of the blind leading the blind  buts whats the worst that can happen (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/lol.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on May 02, 2006, 01:56:03 pm
I think so... (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/confused.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Incursus on May 02, 2006, 02:07:53 pm
Quoting: FUBAR
I think so...


Big hammer - check,
WD-40 - Check,
Duck Tape - Check,
Copper slip - check,
Swear pot - check.

Sorted if you've got that lot (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/lol.gif) (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/lol.gif) (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/lol.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on May 02, 2006, 02:11:00 pm
Quoting: Incursus
Big hammer - check,
WD-40 - Check,
Duck Tape - Check,
Copper slip - check,
Swear pot - check.


(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/up.gif)
(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/up.gif)
(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/down.gif)
(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/up.gif)
(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/shame.gif)

In that order... (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/rofls.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Incursus on May 02, 2006, 02:14:11 pm
and last but not least, The British Empire was built on cups of tea, and if you think I'm going to war without one, mate, you're mistaken

(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/tea.gif)


and if it smells of mint.....it probably is...   (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/rofls.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on May 02, 2006, 02:17:08 pm
I think we have some proper tea... i'll look later.

Edit: Last time it didn't smell of mint... (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/smirk.gif) (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/rofls.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Incursus on May 02, 2006, 02:56:42 pm
Quoting: FUBAR
Edit: Last time it didn't smell of mint...


only to you, the rest of the street could smell it though. (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/tongue.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on May 02, 2006, 04:21:35 pm
Quoting: FUBAR
It will probably be easiest if I call you when I get home from the gym.


Scratch that I can't be bothered with the gym, i'll give you a bell after my dinner instead.
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on May 02, 2006, 07:55:35 pm
Cheers for you're help this evening Chris (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/up.gif)

Handbrake is fixed according to the manual (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/cool.gif)  will phone the Garage tomorrow to get it booked in for its free re-test.
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Incursus on May 02, 2006, 09:33:50 pm
Quoting: FUBAR
Cheers for you're help this evening Chris


no problemo, was expecting it to be worse but i guess, occasionaly, you do get nice quick easy fixes (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/up.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on May 03, 2006, 08:38:27 am
Oh and for those who haven't seen yet... (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/cool.gif)

[img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v223/ryanbudd/Car/NewLeatherSeats1.jpg\" border=\"0\"  alt=\"\" width=150> [img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v223/ryanbudd/Car/NewLeatherSeats2.jpg\" border=\"0\"  alt=\"\" width=150> [img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v223/ryanbudd/Car/NewLeatherSeats3.jpg\" border=\"0\"  alt=\"\" width=150>
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Roadkill on May 03, 2006, 08:41:09 am
I'd dye them Black personally . . . Not red. (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/cool.gif)

Would off-set nicely against the rest of the interior IMHO. (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/wink.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: 55starchief on May 03, 2006, 08:43:56 am
Quoting: Roadkill
I'd dye them Black personally . . . Not red.


Yeah that would work and hide any marks on the leather
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Roadkill on May 03, 2006, 08:47:45 am
All that Red did look Pimptastic, though. (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/tongue.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on May 03, 2006, 08:52:46 am
i'm in 2 minds whether to dye them at all...

I've got a while to decide though (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/chiny.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Roadkill on May 03, 2006, 08:54:42 am
Quoting: FUBAR
i'm in 2 minds whether to dye them at all...


Personally, IMO, I don't think the tan and Red work . . . (at all) (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/sofa.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on May 03, 2006, 08:58:34 am
If the interior was tan it would work with the colour of the car for sure but it does look a bit mixed inside atm. No doubt i'll be changing my mind a million times over the next couple of months.
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Roadkill on May 03, 2006, 09:01:25 am
Quoting: FUBAR
No doubt i'll be changing my mind a million times over the next couple of months.


<sigh>

The MKB way . . . (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/rofls.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on May 03, 2006, 09:06:42 am
I wonder if all the 4th gen interior plastics would fit... (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/chiny.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Jamieg285 on May 03, 2006, 09:40:51 am
I think part of the problem is the black plastics.  Too many colours.

IMO, black seats would look better.
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: 55starchief on May 03, 2006, 09:43:39 am
Quoting: FUBAR
I wonder if all the 4th gen interior plastics would fit...


Already sold mate to (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/jamieg.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on May 03, 2006, 09:47:55 am
Not the centre console... was just thinking all the Tan stuff...

not really serious thinking tho
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: ianjpage on May 03, 2006, 09:52:16 am
door cards should fit with a bit of modification - not sure about the rear panels tho??
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on May 03, 2006, 07:51:11 pm
When I had the MOT last week the sniffer detected that my idle mixture was really rich, so this evening I thought i'd investigate.

I found the screws both on the front of the carb (1 each side) recessed into the body, I turned each one just 1 turn anti-clockwise for now & it idles a lot happier on initial startup, however it still misses a bit when its warm and is still (but to a lesser extent) hesitant when pulling away from a full stop

I don't want to fiddle with it too much atm because of its trip to the MOT man again tomorrow (just incase ya know  ) i'll have more of a play at the weekend because it also now idles too fast so will adjust that too.  wierd thing about that is though even if the engine's warm & you start it up it settles at circa 1000rpm until you rev it even just once where it settles at somewhere between 1250 & 1500rpm very strange.  any ideas what could be causing this guys?
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Jamieg285 on May 03, 2006, 07:52:37 pm
Sounds like something I read recently.  Your timing advance may be out, and the carb has been adjusted to remedy it.

Get the timing right, then re-adjust the carb.

Disclaimer : I may be talking out my butt!
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: 55starchief on May 03, 2006, 07:55:52 pm
Wouldnt be a bad idea to check timing especialy as it was a recon carb. Those idle screws are normaly adjusted with the aid of an air flow/ vacume guage
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on May 03, 2006, 07:56:30 pm
well the carb is new as I had to buy a rebuilt one from the US which was set for "Stock or Mildly Modified Engines" and is specific to my engine, however I'm assuming they set it a little rich at idle just to be on the safe side.

Doesn't explain the idle speeds though... (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/dontknow.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on May 03, 2006, 07:57:24 pm
Quoting: 55starchief
Wouldnt be a bad idea to check timing


Could I borrow a timing Light? & some instruction on how to use it...
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: 55starchief on May 03, 2006, 07:58:28 pm
Quoting: FUBAR
Doesn't explain the idle speeds though...


if the timing is slightly out the vacum advance would cause a idle fluctuation mate
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on May 03, 2006, 07:59:52 pm
aah ok thats just a twist the Dizzy Cap round job to adjust that isn't it?
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: 55starchief on May 03, 2006, 08:00:58 pm
Quoting: FUBAR

aah ok thats just a twist the Dizzy Cap round job to adjust that isn't it?


yeah with the aid of a timing light though, dont go twisting without
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on May 03, 2006, 08:14:20 pm
no I wasn't going too, its only tiny amounts too isn't it...
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: ianjpage on May 03, 2006, 08:16:51 pm
i got a timing light if ya needs it (up the barn on sat?)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on May 03, 2006, 08:22:04 pm
should be yeah, dunno if i'm driving or not...
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Roadkill on May 04, 2006, 08:25:25 am
As mentioned, sounds like a mixture of fuel mix and Ignition timing.

It's wise to check your timing quite regular as it can "creep".

Many things effect it . . . . After removing the remains of my exhaust I found that the engine "popped" on heavy decelleration . . . . this was cured by re-setting the timing.

Now she sounds great - all the time. (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/up.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Jamieg285 on May 04, 2006, 08:27:38 am
Quoting: Roadkill
After removing the remains of my exhaust I found that the engine "popped" on heavy decelleration


You ricer!!! (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/smirk.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on May 04, 2006, 08:29:28 am
I think mine just needs tuning
I'd rather not fiddle with too much stuff but the timing check & a tweak of the idle mix is needed.
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Roadkill on May 04, 2006, 09:29:39 am
Quoting: Jamieg285
You ricer!!!


Yup. (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/drive.gif)

(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/roll.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on May 05, 2006, 08:50:25 am
MOT Retest yesterday...

Passed ok... just
Talk about nit-pickey though he was going to fail it again because the adjustable steering column wobbled slightly in position!

Chris:  The handbrake 'fix' made only a tiny difference... just enough to *ahem* get away with an advisory notice (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/rolleyes.gif)

Still done & dusted for another year!

Good news though is that my mixture adjustment worked, went from circa 1500 Hc ppm to 527 Hc ppm   but the CO went up from 0.23% to 1.54%
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Roadkill on May 05, 2006, 08:53:46 am
Good news on emissions, Mate.

Speak to me re. M.o.T next year and avoid all the hassle. (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/wink.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Incursus on May 05, 2006, 09:37:27 am
Quoting: FUBAR
Chris: The handbrake 'fix' made only a tiny difference... just enough to *ahem* get away with an advisory notice


Well we can always tighten it more, not a problem.
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on May 16, 2006, 12:46:29 pm
Guys...

Just out of interest, these parts are all compatible & suitable aren't they...
(Summit Part Nos i'm afraid)

HOK-16767HKR     Y-Pipe
HOK-2460HKR       Headers
ARP-400-1101       Bolts

SUM-G1369          Heat Shield

Just thinking for a future shipment... (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/cool.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on May 17, 2006, 09:01:19 am
...(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/dontknow.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Jamieg285 on May 17, 2006, 09:15:38 am
Not had time to look.  What year/config is your car?
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: 55starchief on May 17, 2006, 09:28:15 am
If your gonna order engine parts can you ask andy for a price first rather than shipping straight from jegs. He can sometimes be a little cheaper and its nice to support him
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on May 17, 2006, 10:19:26 am
I will do m8, at the moment i'm just window shopping with an Itchy Credit Card (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/confused.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: 55starchief on May 17, 2006, 10:20:20 am
Quoting: FUBAR
i'm just window shopping with an Itchy Credit Card


Thats a dangerous thing mate
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on May 17, 2006, 10:21:37 am
Quoting: 55starchief
Thats a dangerous thing mate


Tell me about it! especially things like that which have been on the cards for ages and are a very good idea...
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Jamieg285 on May 17, 2006, 11:16:23 am
Quoting: FUBAR
HOK-16767HKR Y-Pipe
HOK-2460HKR Headers
ARP-400-1101 Bolts

SUM-G1369 Heat Shield



Headers and pipes look right, and Andy can probably get them for you (part numbers 16767 & 2460 will be the Hooker part no.s)

My personal preference with the header bolts is for internal hex, i.e. you need an allen key for them.  Some of the bolts will be so close the the tubes that you won't be able to get a socket on them, making a hand wrench the only option.  Spinning them in with the long end of the allen key, then tightening with the short is much easier.  From memory, they are 3/8 coarse, by about 1 inch long.  I have some at home which I could let you have one as a pattern to take to a bolt stockist if you want.

I would also recommend that you get some good quality header gaskets (head and collector end). The ones that come supplied are cheap and rubbish, and will be more likely to start blowing.

Finally, I reckon that we could build our own heat sheild, it's not much more than a piece of metal at the end of the day.
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Roadkill on May 17, 2006, 11:32:26 am
Quoting: Jamieg285
I would also recommend that you get some good quality header gaskets (head and collector end). The ones that come supplied are cheap and rubbish, and will be more likely to start blowing.


My fel-pro ones are good, so far . . . See JWR. (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/wink.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Jamieg285 on May 17, 2006, 11:35:06 am
Quoting: Roadkill
My fel-pro ones are good


Yep, I'm a fan of their gaskets.
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: 55starchief on May 17, 2006, 11:35:31 am
What do you want a heat shield for? thats added weight (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/roll.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on May 17, 2006, 12:32:33 pm
Cool, cheers for the advise on the gaskets, sounds like a good plan to me (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/up.gif)
With the Bolts would I be able to get suitable ones? are the ARP ones just generic or are they specifically designed?

With the heat shield for ease i'd probably just buy one, its only about a tenner & saves having to make one up.


Another question...  what would need doing to attach the end of the Stainless Y-Pipe/ Cat pipe thing to my existing exhaust system?  Currently its stainless only from the rear axle back.
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Roadkill on May 17, 2006, 12:35:51 pm
Quoting: FUBAR
With the Bolts would I be able to get suitable ones?


See US less Auto's website for the bolts.

US auto and JWR will do a pack for the SBC - that's where I got mine from.

You definately want CSK SKT head, as Jamie says - if you can get them. (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/up.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Roadkill on May 17, 2006, 12:40:17 pm
http://www.usautomotive.co.uk/store/scripts/prodVi ew.asp?idproduct=140

These are standard ones . . . . (HEX head) . . . Using the length and thread detail you could enquire about Counter-sunk socket headed ones. (often called internal hex/allen key bolts (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/smirk.gif))
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on May 17, 2006, 12:46:58 pm
hmm ok,
the ones on that site say Grade 5, whereas the ARP ones say "15% stronger than Grade 8"  whats the difference?
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Roadkill on May 17, 2006, 12:49:58 pm
Grade 8 is what we use to construct buildings with !!!

Overkill I think would be the word.

Grade 5 ain't great, though.

What you ideally want is Stainless steel ones . . . .

Hang on . . .
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Jamieg285 on May 17, 2006, 12:51:01 pm
The bolts are generic 3/8 UNC(-16) thread.  The ARP (and any other make header bolts) have a slightly smaller head on them than a standard bolt, due to the same clearance problems, but can still be too tight to get decent tools on them.

Standard ones are 3/4 inch, but 1 inch can be cut to length if too short.

Quoting: Roadkill
CSK SKT head,


Isn't Countersunk Socket???   The ones I an on about are Socket Caps.
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: 55starchief on May 17, 2006, 12:53:44 pm
I would go with ARP studs myself rather than bolts i think they have some with a E clip to make sure the nut wont back off
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Roadkill on May 17, 2006, 12:54:04 pm
Maybe try :

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/STAINLESS-UNC-AMERICAN-V8-SO CKET-ALLEN-BOLTS_W0QQitemZ4640258440QQcategoryZ100 952QQtcZphotoQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

or

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Stainless-UNC-Allen-Bolts-La thes-Milling-Drilling_W0QQitemZ7618246211QQcategor yZ98641QQtcZphotoQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Obviously, make sure they've got what you need in them. (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/tongue.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Jamieg285 on May 17, 2006, 12:54:36 pm
Actually - if you're not particulalry bothered about the head, you can have a set from me - FREEEEEE!

I might have a complete spare set if I dig through the pots, but failing that I can swap out the ones on my motor.  I was going to wait until I HAD to remove them before swapping (paranoid stupidity!!), but I don't mind doing it if you need them.
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: 55starchief on May 17, 2006, 12:57:15 pm
have read good reviews on these in HotRod and Streetrodder

http://www.jegs.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Cate goryDisplay?storeId=10001&catalogId=10002&catalogI dentifier=&categoryId=18991&parentCategoryId=11673
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Roadkill on May 17, 2006, 12:58:28 pm
Quoting: Jamieg285
Isn't Countersunk Socket???


Hmm, yes and no.

Depends on who you speak to, what industry you're in, what nationality you/they are how old you/they are . . . . . . . .

If it's a recessed socket fitting it can be referred to as "socket".
Like on shallow pan-heads.

Countersunk socket  is deeper (in my experience).
Like on Dome heads, "allen bolts" . . .
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Roadkill on May 17, 2006, 01:01:40 pm
Quoting: 55starchief
have read good reviews on these in HotRod and Streetrodder

http://www.jegs.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Cate goryDisplay?storeId=10001&catalogId=10002&catalogI  dentifier=&categoryId=18991&parentCategoryId=11673  


Says they're steel which I find odd . . . Why not S/S ?

Also maybe a little overkill for a (basically) stock motor running low compression . . . . ?
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Jamieg285 on May 17, 2006, 01:02:39 pm
Quoting: Roadkill
Hmm, yes and no.

Depends on who you speak to, what industry you're in, what nationality you/they are how old you/they are . . . . . . . .

If it's a recessed socket fitting it can be referred to as "socket".
Like on shallow pan-heads.

Countersunk socket is deeper (in my experience).
Like on Dome heads, "allen bolts" . . .


It's far easier to take one to the bolt shop and say 'I want 12 of these'!!(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/wink.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: 55starchief on May 17, 2006, 01:04:13 pm
Quoting: Roadkill
Also maybe a little overkill for a (basically) stock motor running low compression . . . . ?


its the heating and cooling that loosens the bolts, besides they look uber cool(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/up.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Jamieg285 on May 17, 2006, 01:07:20 pm
Good site for identification

http://www.pts-uk.com/prodrng.htm
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on May 17, 2006, 01:09:55 pm
Quoting: Jamieg285
I might have a complete spare set if I dig through the pots, but failing that I can swap out the ones on my motor.


TBH I'd rather put new ones back in, thanks tho m8. (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/cool.gif)

I'll think, if I do this i'll go with the ARP ones, those locking ones, whilst being kinda funky look a bit overkill for what is very mild V8.


Quoting: FUBAR
Another question... what would need doing to attach the end of the Stainless Y-Pipe/ Cat pipe thing to my existing exhaust system? Currently its stainless only from the rear axle back.


Anyone know about this?  I assume it would just need welding up??
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on May 17, 2006, 01:10:39 pm
Quoting: Roadkill
Also maybe a little overkill for a (basically) stock motor running low compression . . . . ?


 LOL u said that while I was typing up my response
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: 55starchief on May 17, 2006, 01:13:39 pm
Quoting: FUBAR

LOL u said that while I was typing up my response


Thought you guys were hardcore (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/roll.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Roadkill on May 17, 2006, 01:49:18 pm
Quoting: Jamieg285
It's far easier to take one to the bolt shop and say 'I want 12 of these'!!


Definately !!!

Unfortunately, I have to deal with idiots suppliers over the phone, so the "Belt & Braces" description in a wise option.

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Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Roadkill on May 17, 2006, 01:51:42 pm
Quoting: FUBAR
Anyone know about this? I assume it would just need welding up??


Either that or you can get a "sleeve" joint . . . .
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on May 17, 2006, 02:08:34 pm
Quoting: Roadkill
Either that or you can get a "sleeve" joint . . . .


Huh? Is that like the top end of the Cat pipe in this piccy?

(http://static.summitracing.com/global/images/prod/large/hok-16767hkr_w.jpg)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Roadkill on May 17, 2006, 02:13:36 pm
Hang on . . .

If you're joining to pipes in a straight (butt) joint . . .

(http://www.jetex.co.uk/website/images/U067620.jpg)

(http://www.jetex.co.uk/website/images/U067620box.jpg)

Use these + clamps.

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Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Jamieg285 on May 17, 2006, 02:16:16 pm
The 2 flanges (3-bolts) fit to the headers. The single pipe (flared end) will fit over the bottom of the 'Y', and held with the hose clamp.

No idea how the other end fits, or what that larger bracket is for.
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on May 17, 2006, 02:22:54 pm
Quoting: Jamieg285
or what that larger bracket is for.


Thats to attach to the old Cat hanger I think...

would I also need one of these?

WLK-47638 Dynomax Intermediate Pipe 2.5"

(http://static.summitracing.com/global/images/prod/large/wlk-44063_w.jpg)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Roadkill on May 17, 2006, 02:25:15 pm
Quoting: FUBAR
would I also need one of these?


That doesn't look stainless, so the question woud be do you need one of those ?
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Jamieg285 on May 17, 2006, 02:26:35 pm
What is it? Straight pipe in place of cat?
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Roadkill on May 17, 2006, 02:27:09 pm
Quoting: Jamieg285
What is it? Straight pipe in place of cat?


Looks like it. (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/dontknow.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on May 17, 2006, 02:29:19 pm
No, thats the bit that goes from where the Cat used to be (Replacement pipe included with the y-pipe) to the back axle.

what does "Aluminised" mean when they are talking about these things?

I thought it was stainless but if not no, I don't NEED one of those.
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Roadkill on May 17, 2006, 02:30:53 pm
Quoting: FUBAR
"Aluminised"


It's a surface treatment used on Mild steel.

(On all exhausts)

It's NOT stainless. (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/wink.gif)

EDIT -

Definition:  Forming of an aluminum or aluminum alloy coating on a metal by hot dipping, hot spraying, or diffusion.
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: 55starchief on May 17, 2006, 02:31:36 pm
Quoting: FUBAR
what does "Aluminised" mean when they are talking about these things?


It means its treated steel pipe with an aluminium coating to reduce the rust
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on May 17, 2006, 02:33:38 pm
aah right ok, in that case I'd only buy the Y-Pipe & Cat replacement bit pictured on the last page & attach it to the current pipe.

will need to double check the diameter but i'm 99% sure its 2.5"

Will need to speak to Andy then at some point. (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/up.gif)
when are you guys ordering you're next lot of bits to go to him?
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Roadkill on May 17, 2006, 02:37:41 pm
Quoting: FUBAR
when are you guys ordering you're next lot of bits to go to him?


Whenever.  Graeme's waiting for a shipping price from Jegs re. a rollcage, then I'll cook the credit card.

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Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Jamieg285 on May 17, 2006, 02:37:45 pm
Quoting: FUBAR
Will need to speak to Andy then at some point.  
when are you guys ordering you're next lot of bits to go to him?


Mine will be within the next 1-2 weeks - I need the bits over quick - I'm only really waiting for you guys.
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Roadkill on May 17, 2006, 02:39:03 pm
Jamie - Is yours Jegs or Summit ?
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on May 17, 2006, 02:40:58 pm
aah ok, i'd better be quick then.

Graeme you'd prefer me to actually order this stuff from Andy rather than from summit with it being delivered to him wouldn't you?
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Jamieg285 on May 17, 2006, 02:41:24 pm
Quoting: Roadkill
Jamie - Is yours Jegs or Summit ?


Both (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/down.gif)

Neither do the complete list of all the bits I want.
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Jamieg285 on May 17, 2006, 02:42:26 pm
Quoting: FUBAR
Graeme you'd prefer me to actually order this stuff from Andy rather than from summit with it being delivered to him wouldn't you?


Get in contact with him and see if he can get it first, and then we can sort out a Summit order if he can't.
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: 55starchief on May 17, 2006, 02:43:17 pm
Quoting: FUBAR
aah ok, i'd better be quick then.

Graeme you'd prefer me to actually order this stuff from Andy rather than from summit with it being delivered to him wouldn't you?



Would prefer you to at least email or call him for a price mate. Dont want him to think we use him just for a delivery point.
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Roadkill on May 17, 2006, 02:45:14 pm
Mine's all from Jegs . . . .so ready when you are. (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/tongue.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Jamieg285 on May 17, 2006, 02:50:18 pm
Quoting: 55starchief
Would prefer you to at least email or call him for a price mate


Calling is the best option, bearing in mind the time frames.  He can take a while to respond to emails, but if he's on the phone he can look stuff up there and then (he did for me anyway)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Jamieg285 on May 17, 2006, 02:51:54 pm
Quoting: Roadkill
Mine's all from Jegs . . . .so ready when you are.


I'm ready, just waiting for everyone else. I think it's just you (suspension + other?? - or just suspension?) and Graeme (rollcage).
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: 55starchief on May 17, 2006, 02:52:30 pm
Quoting: Jamieg285
Calling is the best option, bearing in mind the time frames. He can take a while to respond to emails, but if he's on the phone he can look stuff up there and then (he did for me anyway)



Good point mate
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Jamieg285 on May 17, 2006, 02:53:53 pm
Don't forget you can use www.ratebuster.co.uk to get a 1p/min rate.
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Roadkill on May 17, 2006, 02:55:37 pm
Quoting: Jamieg285
I think it's just you (suspension + other?? - or just suspension?)


Suspension - Definate.
Rollcage - Maybe.

I'll have a think if there's any others. (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/confused.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Jamieg285 on May 17, 2006, 02:58:31 pm
You mentioned LSD yesterday, or is that being put back?
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Roadkill on May 17, 2006, 03:06:50 pm
I've got an LSD - Just need to check if it does 100% fit of not . . .
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: philoldsmobile on May 17, 2006, 04:58:38 pm
Quoting: FUBAR
will need to double check the diameter but i'm 99% sure its 2.5"


unlikely..

unless someone has done the whole system from the manifolds back, or flared the pipe from behind the y pipe, its likely to be 2.25" - thats the stock diameter, and most aftermarket systems keep with it because its correct for te 305 engine

the gains are in the back half of the system (basicly muffler) tthe intermediate pipe isn't restrictive..

go too big on the bore and you loose torque. something the 305 does very well for its size..
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on May 26, 2006, 10:30:16 am
Ok I have 1 Day & 6 hours to find out if this will fit my car...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1990-91-92-CAMARO-INTERIOR-DASH-WIRING-HARNESS-Z28-89_W0QQitemZ8068027925QQcategoryZ6763QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

This is what I need!
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: 55starchief on May 26, 2006, 10:44:28 am
looks like it has the airbag loom aswell, not sure how it would function if it wasnt there mate
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on May 26, 2006, 10:49:57 am
Quoting: 55starchief
looks like it has the airbag loom aswell, not sure how it would function if it wasnt there mate


Hmm ok, how can you tell?

might be better to wait for one from an 86-89 car...
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: 55starchief on May 26, 2006, 10:58:02 am
Quoting: FUBAR
Hmm ok, how can you tell?


its the silver box with the yellow connectors mate
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on May 26, 2006, 12:11:56 pm
Quoting: 55starchief
its the silver box with the yellow connectors mate


Aah ok, I know these things can be really picky & fussy so i'll let this one slide.
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on May 30, 2006, 02:18:01 pm
OK guys, some things have appeared on Ebay UK that I'm considering bidding on...

what do you think they are worth?

1stly a Hatch Motor
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1990-92-FIREBIRD-TRANS-AM-CAMARO-HATCH-PULLDOWN-MOTOR_W0QQitemZ8068186948QQcategoryZ9903QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

New Air Dam
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/GM-NOS-90-92-PONTIAC-FIREBIRD-TRANS-AM-AIR-DEFLECTOR_W0QQitemZ8068193460QQcategoryZ9903QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Wundaba! (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/wink.gif)
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/82-92-PONTIAC-FIREBIRD-CAMARO-WONDERBAR-BRACE_W0QQitemZ8068197591QQcategoryZ9903QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Control Arms
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/82-92-PONTIAC-FIREBIRD-CAMARO-LOWER-CONTROL-ARMS_W0QQitemZ8068199820QQcategoryZ9903QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

All from the same seller.

Also are there any technical issues / differences that would stop these fitting?
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Roadkill on May 30, 2006, 02:30:34 pm
Quoting: FUBAR
1stly a Hatch Motor


Wouldn't have though much more then £30.

Quoting: FUBAR
New Air Dam


Does that one fit your car ?

Quoting: FUBAR
Wundaba!


I think this'll go for more than it's worth.  I also don't think this'll be helpful to you - certainly not yet.
EDIT - I'd go for a Strut (tower) brace first of all.

Quoting: FUBAR
Control Arms


These look more like traction bars. (?)  Again, a tad overkill for your car at the moment.
EDIT - SFC's would be the first step . . .
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: 55starchief on May 30, 2006, 02:35:53 pm
Dont think you need any of the HD stuff mate unless your gonna swap that low power motor for something around 350+hp
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on May 30, 2006, 02:35:54 pm
Quoting: Roadkill
Quoting: FUBAR
1stly a Hatch Motor

Wouldn't have though much more then £30.  


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Quoting: Roadkill
Quoting: FUBAR
New Air Dam

Does that one fit your car ?


Looks the same... although mine doesn't have the 2 curved sections on the right of the pic.
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: 55starchief on May 30, 2006, 02:36:53 pm
Quoting: Roadkill
These look more like traction bars. (?) Again, a tad overkill for your car at the moment.



No they are the rear arms that hold the axle in place, same as on little mouse
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on May 30, 2006, 02:41:57 pm
Quoting: Roadkill
Quoting: FUBAR
Wundaba!

I think this'll go for more than it's worth. I also don't think this'll be helpful to you - certainly not yet.
EDIT - I'd go for a Strut (tower) brace first of all.

Quoting: FUBAR
Control Arms

These look more like traction bars. (?) Again, a tad overkill for your car at the moment.
EDIT - SFC's would be the first step . . .



Yeah both you and Graeme are probably right with the car as it is at the moment...  i'll leave the control arms for now, not sure about the wonderbar though, will see what it goes for...
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Roadkill on May 30, 2006, 03:16:08 pm
Quoting: 55starchief
No they are the rear arms that hold the axle in place, same as on little mouse


I didn't think these were standard on Third Gens ?

EDIT.  Sorry, Wasn't looking at them right.

Tubular ones would be better anyway . . .
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Roadkill on May 30, 2006, 03:21:11 pm
Control Arms :

http://www.hawksthirdgenparts.com/lower_control_arms

Panhard Arms :

http://www.hawksthirdgenparts.com/panhard__bars

Wonder Bar and Strut braces :

http://www.hawksthirdgenparts.com/strut_tower___steering_braces

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EDIT : Note prices.  Wonder bar is $60 = £35 !!!  Barrrrgain !
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: 55starchief on May 30, 2006, 03:26:21 pm
Quoting: Roadkill
EDIT. Sorry, Wasn't looking at them right.


:n00b:


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Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on May 30, 2006, 03:27:56 pm
Yeah and the one there is at £31 already...  fair doos,

problem with the Strut Braces is nobody does one to fit the LG4 engined cars (remember as far as angines are concerned mines an '86 because nowhere considers the '87 Cars to have ever had the Carb engines even though they did!

Rocky can custom make one tho so if I want one i'll go to him.
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: 55starchief on May 30, 2006, 03:28:40 pm
You can also find most of that on BMR's website

http://www.bmrfabrication.com/F3-suspension.htm
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Roadkill on May 30, 2006, 03:58:31 pm
Quoting: 55starchief
You can also find most of that on BMR's website

\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">http://www.bmrfabrication.com/F3-suspension.htm


$hit !

I see myself spending some money, there. (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/shame.gif)

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Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on May 30, 2006, 04:05:18 pm
yeah or there's

http://www.spohn.net/

I COULD spend a fortune on there!
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: philoldsmobile on May 30, 2006, 09:30:46 pm
for normal road cars, tubular arms are rather an overkill.. you'd get better results by boxing the arms you have (works very well), and spending the money on a decent spring / shock package, and the most important mod of all, sub frame connecters..

My friend Kat in the US (guy with the black iroc) worked for spohn for a while.. good stuff, but the guy doesn't give anoyone discount - even employees!!
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on June 20, 2006, 01:00:49 pm
http://www.dallasexportsales.com/RA334.htm

Mainly posted for Link Storage...  but Hmm...(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/chiny.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: 55starchief on June 20, 2006, 01:04:58 pm
This is the other company mate

http://www.speedomotive.com/ps-26-8-305-to-340-cid-stroker-crank-kit.aspx

And they have better comp ratios than the 9.4-1 of the first link
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on June 20, 2006, 01:10:52 pm
Hmm yeah that gives you more options (Note still just window shopping!) ticked all the boxes except the Gasket set and the Holley Carb & it comes too $1148

Balancing tolerance is better too, 1/2g rather than 2g on the 1st link
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Jamieg285 on June 20, 2006, 01:15:17 pm
Quoting: 55starchief
This is the other company mate

http://www.speedomotive.com/ps-26-8-305-to-340-cid-stroker-crank-kit.aspx

And they have better comp ratios than the 9.4-1 of the first link



Mmmm, might be tempted with that for the new car I get.
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on June 20, 2006, 01:58:09 pm
Just out of interest, Stroking an engine moves the Power & Tq down the RPM Range, would this require alterations to the Transmission with regards to Gear Shift Points, Torque Converter Stall

I also assume you'd have to create a new Lower Redline too...
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Jamieg285 on June 20, 2006, 02:18:46 pm
Quoting: FUBAR
Just out of interest, Stroking an engine moves the Power & Tq down the RPM Range, would this require alterations to the Transmission with regards to Gear Shift Points, Torque Converter Stall


In an ideal world yes, you'd 'tune' everything to be perfect.  In reality, all your current stuff should be fine. It won't be too different from the current set-up.

Quoting: FUBAR
I also assume you'd have to create a new Lower Redline too...


Depends on what you're red-line is now.  ASAIK, the red-line will be based more on your top end hardware (springs/valves etc) than the bottom end.  Again, in reality, I can't see it being much, if at all different.
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: 55starchief on June 20, 2006, 03:02:17 pm
Stroking normaly gives a wider torque curve. Its torque that moves you off the line hence the reason that a diesle car will pull better than a petrol. Hvae a play with the desktop dyno and you should see the curves change as you change the CI.

Redline is a false thing on modified engines. If you make peak power at 3500 why go to the redline at 5500? you wont gain anything and you can shift quicker
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Jamieg285 on June 20, 2006, 03:28:08 pm
You're talking about shift points, which is different to danger points. You could go over the peak power in top gear, but would still need to know when you are in danger of blowing something.
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Roadkill on June 20, 2006, 03:29:36 pm
Be a Man - Buy a Manual 'Box. (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/rofls.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: 55starchief on June 20, 2006, 03:32:57 pm
Quoting: Jamieg285
You're talking about shift points, which is different to danger points. You could go over the peak power in top gear, but would still need to know when you are in danger of blowing something.


Most people think the most power is at the redline hence the reason people drive until they hit it
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Roadkill on June 20, 2006, 03:41:00 pm
Quoting: 55starchief
Most (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/new_russian.gif)'s think the most power is at the redline hence the reason (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/new_russian.gif)'s drive until they hit it


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Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Rocky on June 20, 2006, 05:27:17 pm
Hatch motors on a 90 on are different you cant get the rebuild kits for them anymore but you can for earlier models,
The Wonderbar is a TDS jobbie only one on the market that uses 3 bolt system.Spohns wonder bars dont always fit need to file them out sometimes.
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on June 26, 2006, 03:01:12 pm
Right, in the absense of other cars i'm going to persist with mine,

If the guy will ship it i'm going to buy this Complete Interior Wiring Harness from an 85 Camaro

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=290000320177&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=019
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Roadkill on June 26, 2006, 03:21:26 pm
Linky :

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=013&item=230000828782&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on June 26, 2006, 03:25:05 pm
cheers buddy (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/up.gif)

what parts have you asked him about?
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Roadkill on June 26, 2006, 03:30:40 pm
Quoting: Roadkill
Hello, Mate.

Was the interior black ? If so do you have the centre console lid available ?
Also (if the interior is black) I'd be interested in a handful of the large plastic screws and their plugs which hold the panels in in the boot.

Thanks.


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Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on June 26, 2006, 03:31:01 pm
LOL I must have struck a cord... the Bonnet guy replied to me almost immediately!
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Roadkill on June 26, 2006, 03:31:26 pm
Quoting: FUBAR
the Bonnet guy replied to me almost immediately!


Fek !

Well ?
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on June 26, 2006, 03:32:25 pm
waiting for another reply... think he's going to give me a phone number
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on June 26, 2006, 03:51:17 pm
Quoting: FUBAR
Right, in the absense of other cars i'm going to persist with mine,

If the guy will ship it i'm going to buy this Complete Interior Wiring Harness from an 85 Camaro

\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=290000320177&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=019

The guy can't figure out the shipping for this, the cheapest he could find to the Uk was $160!! (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/shame.gif)  if needbe is there anywhere in the US I could send this too?  I'm currently exploring 1 other avenue atm regarding Dean's Link on the last page.
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: philoldsmobile on June 26, 2006, 03:53:41 pm
hmm..i know wiring is actualy quite heavy, but that seems steep....

for referance, shipping on a complete rear view mirror (door mirror) for the van was $42
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on June 30, 2006, 08:23:11 am
Finally! an answer to what I want to do with the engine in My car...

Screw Buying another one, I want to do this:

http://www.gmpartsdirect.com/performance_parts/store/catalog/Product.jhtmlPRODID=1119&CATID=1099.html
Its an Official (Happy PhilO (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/grin.gif)) 350ci Conversion for an LG4.
Their test car... and 87 Camaro...
produced 308 horsepower (at 5000 rpm) and 365 lb-ft torque (at 3500 rpm).


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Now I just need to see what it costs...
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: 55starchief on June 30, 2006, 08:30:06 am
er, thats for a 350, thought yours was a 305?
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Jamieg285 on June 30, 2006, 08:30:06 am
NIce, but tough luck ->

http://www.gmgoodwrench.com/perfpartsjsp/partlist.jsp?section=ce&cat=9274
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on June 30, 2006, 08:31:55 am
Quoting: Jamieg285
NIce, but tough luck ->


Oh Bollox I thought they were different things (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/mad.gif)

Graeme, its to convert to a 350 (New Engine)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Roadkill on June 30, 2006, 08:33:07 am
Quoting: GM
This ZZ4 engine conversion kit for 1983-87 Camaro vehicle is no longer available.


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Bad news.

But that was for a 350ci . . . . . . . (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/dontknow.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Roadkill on June 30, 2006, 08:33:50 am
Quoting: FUBAR
its to convert to a 350


What new block or using the old 305 ?
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on June 30, 2006, 08:34:30 am
New ZZ4 Block
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Roadkill on June 30, 2006, 08:35:18 am
Quoting: FUBAR
New ZZ4 Block


Fek, how much ? (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/shame.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on June 30, 2006, 08:39:23 am
Dunno, but if they don't make crucial things like the replacement computers anymore then its not going to happen anyway (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/sad.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on June 30, 2006, 08:47:52 am
Bloody Stupid GM what did they have to discontinue that for (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/mad.gif) I looked at that kit ages ago but assumed it was for the 305 so when I found this one with a 350 involved I thought it was different.

Oh well (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/sad.gif) (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/mad.gif) (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/sad.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on June 30, 2006, 08:52:21 am
http://www.paceparts.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=113407
http://www.hotrod.com/projectbuild/43541/
Link Storage.
Just incase I wanted to put my Carb on a 350...
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Roadkill on June 30, 2006, 09:06:26 am
Quoting: FUBAR
if they don't make crucial things like the replacement computers anymore then its not going to happen anyway


Tear all that $hit off, Mate.

Keep it simple. (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/wink.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on June 30, 2006, 09:09:05 am
Quoting: Roadkill
Fek, how much ?


Oh and I found an old post on thirdgen.org from 2000 stating that the complete kit (I assume including all the exhaust components, manifolds etc which I wouldn't have used) ran at around $4300
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on June 30, 2006, 12:33:29 pm
This makes interesting reading...

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1494
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: 55starchief on June 30, 2006, 12:41:16 pm
Quoting: FUBAR
This makes interesting reading...


Yup, the pontiac motor would make mor torque they always have done over chevy motors
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Roadkill on June 30, 2006, 12:44:20 pm
The good news is that the small valve heads work really well on a 305 to begin with! They like velocity more than volume, which is another reason that they respond so well to mild supercharging. A simple B&amp;M Forced Induction or a 4-71 blower make real monsters out of 305 engines!

As far as head mods, most guys I've taked with who've modified 305s say to do little more than gasket match the ports in the intake to those in the head and run a good 3-angle valve job. Excessive porting or bowl work isn't neccessary, and small tube headers work just fine.


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Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on June 30, 2006, 12:49:03 pm
Quoting: 55starchief
Yup, the pontiac motor would make mor torque they always have done over chevy motors


what Pontiac Motor? (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/dontknow.gif) he's only talking about 305 Chevys...
The engine was removed from that 1977 Malibu and dropped into a 1970 Pontiac LeMans Sport to replace a screwed up 350 Chevy that was in the car when I bought it.



I notice DeanO's getting ideas... (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/up.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Roadkill on June 30, 2006, 12:51:04 pm
Quoting: FUBAR
I notice DeanO's getting ideas...


Maybe a Mono-Carb'ed 4.71 . . . and a bottom end stroke / rebuild.

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Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: 55starchief on June 30, 2006, 12:52:26 pm
Quoting: FUBAR
what Pontiac Motor? he's only talking about 305 Chevys...


Ah ok miss read that

Quoting: FUBAR
I notice DeanO's getting ideas...


Yup a 4-71 blower would be a nice addition, have just been checking the figures on desktop dyno and it looks good, although when stroked its even better.

Would definatly recomend a 4 bolt conversion though if adding a blower. the kit runs about $250
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on June 30, 2006, 12:53:42 pm
TRW #274 cam, new chain, flex fan


(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/dontknow.gif) can't find that cam anywhere...
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: 55starchief on June 30, 2006, 12:56:49 pm
here you go boys

http://www.hamptonblowers.com/PRICE.HTML

Quoting: FUBAR
can't find that cam anywhere...


Dont think its a TRW mate probably a comp
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: 55starchief on June 30, 2006, 01:05:43 pm
http://www.powerandperformancenews.com/store/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=CC&Product_Code=12-246-3&Category_Code=12-CAM

here you go it was a comp cam
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Roadkill on June 30, 2006, 01:08:45 pm
Rebuilt GMC Blower 4-71 or 671…………$1300.00  (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/chiny.gif)

They don't sell 'em on Jegs, just 6.71-8.71 . . .
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: 55starchief on June 30, 2006, 01:15:41 pm
ok a quick map on dd200 says that a stroked 305 to say 340 with a blower at 10psi and a comp ratio of 9-1 matched to that 274 cam would give 320hp and 420ftlb@3k
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Roadkill on June 30, 2006, 01:22:30 pm
Quoting: 55starchief
320hp


Fek !

Again, (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/chiny.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: 55starchief on June 30, 2006, 01:24:20 pm
Quoting: Roadkill
Fek !


no mate its this thats more impresive 420 ft lb of torque @ 3000rpm
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on June 30, 2006, 01:28:13 pm
I'm just thinking...
Bottom end rebuild (what does this entail?) probably without stroking.
Ed. Performer Intake.
Cam Kit http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?part=CCA%2DK12%2D246%2D3&N=115&autoview=sku
+ those headers I was looking at recently...
E-Prom Remap to remove the EGR code error (PhilO?)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: 55starchief on June 30, 2006, 01:31:58 pm
Quoting: FUBAR

Bottom end rebuild (what does this entail?) probably without stroking.



Normally just bearings mate, although if you have the money and are thinking of adding more power at a later date i would fit a 4 bolt main conversion

http://www.jegs.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CategoryDisplay?storeId=10001&catalogId=10002&catalogIdentifier=Jegs_Direct&categoryId=16553&parentCategoryId=11503

would also lookinto a windage tray as you could pick up 20hp there

http://www.cantonracingproducts.com/windage_trays/windage_trays.html#plus
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Jamieg285 on June 30, 2006, 01:37:21 pm
Quoting: 55starchief
no mate its this thats more impresive 420 ft lb of torque @ 3000rpm


That's close to what I get from my 400.
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Jamieg285 on June 30, 2006, 01:40:34 pm
Quoting: FUBAR
Bottom end rebuild (what does this entail?)


Depends on what you want to do.  You can as G says, just put new bearings in, but you could replace crank, rods, pistons etc (but that's pretty much doing the stroker kit...)

The more you do, the better (stonger and last longer) it will be, and it will give you a solid base to add other goodies.
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Roadkill on June 30, 2006, 01:43:05 pm
. . .  Must . . . . . Resist . . . . . (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/confused.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on June 30, 2006, 01:43:52 pm
The cam that this guy say about,
http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?part=CCA%2DK12%2D246%2D3&N=115&autoview=sku

How Much more radical is it than the stock 305 cam steel Rod? is it going to affect the Computer in anyway (PhilO?(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/dontknow.gif))
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on June 30, 2006, 01:45:08 pm
Quoting: Jamieg285
Depends on what you want to do. You can as G says, just put new bearings in, but you could replace crank, rods, pistons etc (but that's pretty much doing the stroker kit...)

The more you do, the better (stonger and last longer) it will be, and it will give you a solid base to add other goodies.


At the very least my engine needs the Piston Rings replacing. + as its knocking a bit that needs investigating too.
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: 55starchief on June 30, 2006, 01:47:06 pm
Quoting: FUBAR
How Much more radical is it than the stock 305


Thats a pretty lumpy cam mate

274 int. means that out of each rotation ie 360 degrees that it has the valve open for 274 degrees

286 exh.means that out of each rotation ie 360 degrees that it has the valve open for 286 degrees


Would expect the computer to simply adjust to the data it receieves from the sensors
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: 55starchief on June 30, 2006, 01:53:47 pm
stock valve duration was

179 int

194 exg


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Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Roadkill on June 30, 2006, 02:05:48 pm
Err.

Computer Controlled Compatible: No
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: philoldsmobile on June 30, 2006, 03:55:22 pm
Quoting: FUBAR
How Much more radical is it than the stock 305 cam steel Rod? is it going to affect the Computer in anyway (PhilO?)


as a rule of thumb, a streetable cam shouldn't upset the computer..

people always over cam, you dont gain any more power by going nuts with the cam, so look for something mild ish,

as a rough guide, many cam manufacturers give an idle rating, from smooth to choppy..

i'd go with something rated as 'noticable' rather than lopey or choppy.

a wild cam can leave you with very poor brakes too, especialy in traffic.

-edit- just seen that its not comp compatible, but that probably menas there is no drive on the back of the cam for a later car with a cam position sensor.. 274 and 286? hell no.. that would be murder on the street.... thats a race cam.
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Roadkill on June 30, 2006, 03:57:35 pm
You certainly don't want a Lumpy Cam for an everydayer - It'll drive you nuts and will idle like $hit.

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Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: philoldsmobile on June 30, 2006, 04:00:17 pm
Quoting: FUBAR
http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?part=CCA%2DK12%2D246%2D3&N=115&autoview=sku


this will make your car likely slower than stock.... check the operating range, it begins above the stall speed of your converter, so its just gonna bog when you move off, the stock converter stalls about 1300 rpm, so you want a cam that is rated from idle  to about 50000

never use a cam or inlet that has a higher minimum working speed than the converter stall...
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: philoldsmobile on June 30, 2006, 04:02:23 pm
also bear in mind that 1800rpm is well into motorway cruising speed, say you got in some traffic at 55- 60 with that cam, leaving you around 1500 rpm, its gonna cough fart and waste an awful lot of fuel..
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: philoldsmobile on June 30, 2006, 04:04:50 pm
better, but i'd personaly see that operating range more like 1200 - 5200 but it would be usable..

http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?part=CCA%2DSK12%2D262%2D4&N=400114+4294861490+4294786240+4294887084+115&autoview=sku

do a search on www.thirdgen.org for "lt1 cam" its very popular and works well.
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on June 30, 2006, 09:03:34 pm
Cheers matey (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/up.gif)
good advise there
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on July 01, 2006, 01:20:12 pm
Got my New Radiator Catch Tank and Washer Fluid Tanks fitted today (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/cool.gif)

[img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v223/ryanbudd/Car/NewTanks1.jpg\" border=\"0\"  alt=\"\" width=150> [img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v223/ryanbudd/Car/NewTanks2.jpg\" border=\"0\"  alt=\"\" width=150>

And also as you may be able to tell from this pic I've also FINALLY put conduit round those red wires running around my engine bay
[img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v223/ryanbudd/Car/NewTanks3.jpg\" border=\"0\"  alt=\"\" width=150>
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: philoldsmobile on July 01, 2006, 03:31:50 pm
looking good!

new tanks makes the bay look soooo much nicer...

a lot of the show guys in the states actualy change  them before a major show, they are so cheap, and could win or loose a show...
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on July 03, 2006, 10:20:20 am
Any Comments Guys??

[img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v223/ryanbudd/ShoppingListImage.jpg\" border=\"0\"  alt=\"\" width=150>

Just starting to put a List together based on the Edelbrock Power Package Components seen as this is seeming like its going to need doing sooner rather than Later.

The Aim Here: Pep up the 305 without Losing the Computer-Carb Setup.

I would also need a Chip Burning for the ECU to remove the EGR Error Code as the Air-Injection would be going.  Phil What is needed for this?


N.b. The total Cost does not include Both ARP Bolt Sets. (Just the Polished ones atm.
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Jamieg285 on July 03, 2006, 10:37:05 am
Looking at that :

350's will probably go on, but will not work properly/well.  The bore size is wrong, and will give you stupidly low compression and and on combustion chamber shape.  You really need to get 305 heads, especially if you're trying to 'match' the other Eddy components.  What is the 305 bore?

Wosit-faces - Con-rod bearings.  You'll need to determine the state of the crank first, which means total strip down and inspection.  Same goes for the bore, although that can be done once the heads are off. This might get away with just a hone and new rings.
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Jamieg285 on July 03, 2006, 10:41:12 am
Also, looking at Summit, you're very limited on Heads, especially if you want ally ones.  GM or Trick Flow are the only ones being listed.
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on July 03, 2006, 10:41:44 am
The Heads are 60cc chambers on those heads, and as far as I can tell its the heads Edelbrock recommend for the LG4 Power Package.

Con-Rod Bearings (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/up.gif) Fair doos, there's the ones that actually attach to the block too? (Main Bearings?)   But you're right, none of that can be determined until the engine is out & in bits.
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on July 03, 2006, 10:43:08 am
Quoting: Jamieg285
Also, looking at Summit, you're very limited on Heads, especially if you want ally ones. GM or Trick Flow are the only ones being listed.


http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=EDL%2D60859&N=115&autoview=sku

Just noticed I'd need rocker Arms too as they aren't included with the heads.
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Jamieg285 on July 03, 2006, 10:48:20 am
Quoting: FUBAR
Con-Rod Bearings  Fair doos, there's the ones that actually attach to the block too? (Main Bearings?)


Yeah, sorry forgot that.

Quoting: FUBAR
http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=EDL%2D60859&N=115&autoview=sku


Won't properly fit the 305.

My recommendation here is contact Edelbrock and tell them what you're after and see what they recommend.
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: 55starchief on July 03, 2006, 10:50:35 am
As jamie says, heads might not be a direct fit. Even if they do swap over you would need to check the clearance for the valves to make sure they wont catch the pistons.

If your gonna put new shells on the crank you will need to have a polish just to be sure so expect to pay about £40ish for that. If you have to have a regrind budget about £150 and whilst its out might as well have it ballanced with pistons and rods would cost £150

Until you strip down you wont be able to determine the condition of the bores, at a minimum yor gonna need new rings and if it requires a rebore
 new pistons on one of the + sizes

Personaly i think that http://www.airflowresearch.com/ make better heads than edelbrock and are about the same money
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on July 03, 2006, 10:59:40 am
Oops,
My Bad.
The Heads Edelbrock recommend for the LG4 are these

http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=EDL%2D60759&N=115&autoview=sku

P/N 60759  these ARE listed as compatible with the smaller blocks (302????) but are Perimeter Bolt Heads. (Thats what threw me off, I went for the centrebolt ones)

70cc Chambers though... isn't that a tad big?
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Jamieg285 on July 03, 2006, 11:05:48 am
Quoting: Edelbrock

S/B Chevy heads may not be used on engines with less than 4" bore (262, 265, 283, 305, 307 c.i.d.) except with cams having less than .450" valve lift.


3702 Cam lifts - 0.398 0.442 - so it MAY be compatible - Edelbrock would be able to confirm properly.
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Jamieg285 on July 03, 2006, 11:07:01 am
Quoting: FUBAR
P/N 60759 these ARE listed as compatible with the smaller blocks (302????)


They are all the bigger 4" bore.

Quoting: FUBAR
70cc Chambers though... isn't that a tad big?


For a 305, not ideal.  May be better than what you have, but won't be the best for the cam.
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on July 03, 2006, 11:20:30 am
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Engines are confusing!
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: 55starchief on July 03, 2006, 11:24:33 am
Quoting: FUBAR
Engines are confusing!


Indeed mate.

If i was you i would talk to a couple of engine builders and ask them what they recomend. Im guessing your not gonna put the motor together?
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on July 03, 2006, 11:29:30 am
Not the Bottom end no, but bolting the top end on I was planning to do yes. Its just what bits to put on thats confusing the hell out of me atm (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/sad.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: 55starchief on July 03, 2006, 11:39:32 am
How far are you going on the top end? is it intakes or are you going heads,valves lifters rockers etc?

If your doing the lifters i would recomend you have the lifter bores checked for square, might need a hone and worse case scenario might need sleeving if the engine has done high mileage.

Again if your gonna swap out the heads it would be worth having some one check the block for square and posibly a quick pass.

When you build an engine its all the little details people forget that come back as PITA problems at a later date
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on July 03, 2006, 12:59:48 pm
Quoting: 55starchief
if your gonna swap out the heads it would be worth having some one check the block for square and posibly a quick pass.


En Anglais sil vous plait (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/dontknow.gif) (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/wink.gif)

Well, with those Edelbrock heads being cheap enough I was just going to replace them TBH, but now we're not sure if they'll work properly...
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: 55starchief on July 03, 2006, 01:03:00 pm
Quoting: FUBAR
Well, with those Edelbrock heads being cheap enough I was just going to replace them


Its not as easy as that mate. If you were going to put the original heads back on it wouldnt matter but if you are going to change them its advisable to get the block skimmed. This will make sure that the new heads will make good contact

Check for square means that they make sure that the top of the block is paralel all the way along. It helps to make sure that all 8 pistons have the same compression ratio and volume
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on July 03, 2006, 01:16:21 pm
Aah ok (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/grin.gif)

Will make a note of these extra requirements.  Cheers buddy (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/up.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: 55starchief on July 03, 2006, 01:21:19 pm
Quoting: FUBAR
Will make a note of these extra requirements. Cheers buddy


No problems mate. Some people might say its over kill but engines allways work best when everything has the right tolerances. I have an article from hotrod about a ford motor they were dynoing when it failed. Total destruction was traced back to a warn valve guide
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on July 03, 2006, 01:57:46 pm
Sneaky gits...

Only just noticed that those heads on summit are Priced Individually... I thought that was a bit cheap!. (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/newb.gif)

Oh well, unlikely i'll be changing those then! thats a real bummer because that would make a huge difference I reckon...

Graeme where's that Desktop Dyno program you had?
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on July 03, 2006, 02:15:19 pm
Its a shame these are pricey as they sound like they'd be good... $1210 a pair though

http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=NAL%2D12464298&N=4294925232+4294838998+4294908216+4294840138+4294867081+4294867079+115&autoview=sku

P/N NAL-12464298 if the link doesn't work.
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: 55starchief on July 03, 2006, 02:17:40 pm
Quoting: FUBAR
Graeme where's that Desktop Dyno program you had?


on the forum under desktop dyno (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/roll.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on July 03, 2006, 02:21:10 pm
Quoting: 55starchief
on the forum under desktop dyno


I used the search function before asking & it only cam up with 4 mentions of DTD, 2 of which (6 now!) are in this thread!
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: 55starchief on July 03, 2006, 02:26:49 pm
Quoting: FUBAR


I used the search function before asking & it only cam up with 4 mentions of DTD, 2 of which (6 now!) are in this thread!


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http://www.mkb.cc/forum/index.php?action=vthread&forum=18&topic=1867
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on July 03, 2006, 11:17:36 pm
Right, 1st The Picture... (DeanO, you're going to Like this!)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v223/ryanbudd/DTD334Stroker.jpg)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on July 03, 2006, 11:21:02 pm
Now the Explanation...

Thats the Torque & Power Curve for a 337ci 305 Stroker, Kit Here:
http://www.dallasexportsales.com/RA334.htm
(I'm looking at the $1495 Kit)

this requires a .1in Overbore on the cylinders,
Edelbrock Performer Cam
Edelbrock Performer Intake Manifold
STOCK GM Heads (Cheap!) with a 0.10in Increase on the exhaust Valve side only.
-6deg Retard on the Cam timing

Peak Power of 268hp at 4500rpm
and basically a Flat Torque curve from 2000-3500rpm...

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Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on July 03, 2006, 11:22:35 pm
Also with some Roller Rockers & a windage tray i'd imagine we'd pick up a few more horses too, DTD can't account for that.

This is sounding like a plan to me!
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: 55starchief on July 03, 2006, 11:22:57 pm
desktop dyno for teh win !!!!!!!111111

Glad i could help with some of those little tricks to pick up power here and there
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on July 03, 2006, 11:39:31 pm
DeanO assuming you've got Vortec heads and using GM Part No. NAL-VORTECZZ5  as a basis, you're graph looks like this:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v223/ryanbudd/DTDDeanoStrokerVortec.jpg)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on July 03, 2006, 11:59:53 pm
And with a 471 Blower... although there's probably a load of other mods you'd need to make with this as well...(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/dontknow.gif)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v223/ryanbudd/DTDDeanoStrokerVortecblown.jpg)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: 55starchief on July 04, 2006, 07:59:12 am
You cant help but play can you (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/toyl.gif) the blower version needs the exhaust enlarging and it would pick up a little more power
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Roadkill on July 04, 2006, 08:26:31 am
(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/chiny.gif)

(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/shame.gif)

I smell burning Credit Cards . . . . . (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/smirk.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: 55starchief on July 04, 2006, 08:29:31 am
Quoting: FUBAR
And with a 471 Blower... although there's probably a load of other mods you'd need to make with this as well


Yeah you could run a much more radical cam as the blower would smooth it out nicley
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on July 04, 2006, 08:29:57 am
Quoting: Roadkill
I smell burning Credit Cards . . . . .


Me too... (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/confused.gif) (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/drive.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on July 04, 2006, 08:33:46 am
Oh yeah, and i'm also going to look into the possibility of using a Road Demon 625cfm Carb instead of the computer control.  but we'll see about that...
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: 55starchief on July 04, 2006, 08:39:49 am
(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/index.php?action=downloadfile&topic=438&upfile=35178&sub=1)

Ok this is with a more radical cam, definatley worth it in my opinion
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on July 04, 2006, 08:43:42 am
Graeme, set the CR to 9.4 because of the stroker kit...
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: 55starchief on July 04, 2006, 08:47:42 am
Quoting: FUBAR

Graeme, set the CR to 9.4 because of the stroker kit...



With a blown aplication you would run less comp ratio matey.
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: 55starchief on July 04, 2006, 08:49:25 am
(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/index.php?action=downloadfile&topic=438&upfile=35186&sub=1)


Ahhhh perfection and only a 50hp shot of NOS and half the boost
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on July 04, 2006, 08:50:37 am
Quoting: 55starchief
With a blown aplication you would run less comp ratio matey.


Righty Dokey (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/up.gif)

Nice graph that one, basically a flat 500 right across the board (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/up.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: 55starchief on July 04, 2006, 08:58:14 am
Quoting: FUBAR
Nice graph that one, basically a flat 500 right across the board


Yeah a real monster, would need to add 4 bolt mains if you built it like that
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on July 04, 2006, 09:02:26 am
Quoting: 55starchief
would need to add 4 bolt mains if you built it like that


Yeah I would not be building my Motor quite that much.
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: philoldsmobile on July 04, 2006, 05:18:06 pm
Quoting: 55starchief
Yeah you could run a much more radical cam as the blower would smooth it out nicley


actualy blowes want much less cam, otherwise they blow all the mixture right out the exhaust..
look for as little overlap as possible with a turbo or supercharger...

lift is ok, but overlap is baaaaaad...

the old roots type superchargers are called 'external compresiion' in so far ass they do not produce a compressed mixture, they simply cram more mixture into the cylinder, where it becomes compressed, even before the piston increases compression any more.. by having an exhaust valve still open, it just gets shoved out, and looses huge ammounts of power, by the time the inlet valve is begining to open, the mixture wants to be presented with a closed combustion chamber.

 this is why supercharged engines often have very smooth idles..
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: 55starchief on July 04, 2006, 05:21:00 pm
Quoting: philoldsmobile
Quoting: 55starchief
Yeah you could run a much more radical cam as the blower would smooth it out nicley



I was told this by the founder of BDS when i was going to add a supercharger to the pontiac mate, hence the reason i posted it. He said that the charger smoothes the idle out
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: philoldsmobile on July 04, 2006, 05:23:49 pm
perhaps some crossed information?

you want zero overlap on a boosted car...
have a look at the specs for any turbo or supercharged stock engine..

perhaps he ment the lack of overlap smooths it out, but you can use far more lift than otherwise would be the case?

stands to reason, that any period where both valves are open, the mixture enters one and fecks off through the other....

scavenging is not important on a boosted engine, and that is the main reason for overlap.
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: 55starchief on July 04, 2006, 05:25:38 pm
if you look at the grinds on all the cams he supplies they are not mild

http://www.blowerdriveservice.com/bcamspecs.php
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: philoldsmobile on July 04, 2006, 05:26:46 pm
not masses of overlap though.....
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: philoldsmobile on July 04, 2006, 05:30:31 pm
how do the specs vary between turbo and superchargers? turbo's have a much higher mixture speed., does that affect the overlap situation as the mixture is moving far quicker?

TBH blowers aren't my forte, i know turbo's much better..
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: 55starchief on July 04, 2006, 05:31:34 pm
Ok then you can run a more radical grind with a blower so instaed of the performer with its 204/214 you can run a comp cams ex with 274/285 grind as is the cam i used in the last profile
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: philoldsmobile on July 04, 2006, 05:34:05 pm
wierd...

that would simply not work at all with a turbo, you'd just throw the mixture right out the exhaust...
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on July 05, 2006, 12:41:35 am
Right, Back on topic...

Graeme, i've changed my mind slightly, Although the stroker idea looked good I think i'll go somewhere along this route...

[img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v223/ryanbudd/DTD305Vortec.jpg\" border=\"0\"  alt=\"\" width=150>

Basically involves putting $269 a side Vortec Heads on the engine rather than stroking it, it provides more power in the 4500 - 5500 range, keeps a close to original ci on the engine and won't require a Demon Carb as I reckon the Quadrajet I have at the moment will be more than sufficient.

PhilO
From you're knowledge of the Computer-Carb setup can you see any flaws in this plan? I can't see any problems the computer would have with this setup as nothing is too wild but can you?

Graeme 2
I was thinking about the build time, off-the-road time, skills, machining work etc etc needed to do this and thought that, even though it May cost a bit more if I was to speak to Andy and send him the DTD file would he be able to build me the engine? of course with a different / new 305 block...
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Jamieg285 on July 05, 2006, 07:26:55 am
Quoting: FUBAR
of course with a different / new 305 block...


If you're going that route, why 305?  A 350 would be a much more sensible option.

The only reason to stay 305 is if you are keeping the current block and associated parts.
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on July 05, 2006, 07:38:38 am
Quoting: Jamieg285
If you're going that route, why 305? A 350 would be a much more sensible option.

The only reason to stay 305 is if you are keeping the current block and associated parts.


In anticipation of that question, here's a statement I prepared earlier... (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/wink.gif)

Basically because I don't need too, presuming that Desktop Dyno & that Graph is even just an approximation I can get more than enough power that I need out of a 305 with cheap Bolt-on Parts, basically the only changes are the heads $269each at summit and the intake, cam & timing chain is about $350.

By keeping the 305 it certainly seems like I can get a Torquey (Not Torquay!(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/lol.gif)) 300hp motor and still keep the computer controls & some more of the fuel economy without having to change anything else apart from tuning the Carb slightly. 1hp per cubic Inch seems at least sensible to me.
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: 55starchief on July 05, 2006, 07:47:25 am
Ok, had a quick look and in my opinion it doesnt look like that cam works with those heads as well as your stock ones.

I dont think andy uses DTD hes more old skool in his engine building also i dont know if you can buy a 305 block? it would have to be a used block.

Did you email barry grant and ask the question?
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on July 05, 2006, 07:56:16 am
Quoting: 55starchief
Ok, had a quick look and in my opinion it doesnt look like that cam works with those heads as well as your stock ones.

Whats you're reasons / evidence about the Cam not working as well?

Quoting: 55starchief
I dont think andy uses DTD hes more old skool in his engine building also i dont know if you can buy a 305 block? it would have to be a used block.

Ok, fair enough but it would still be worth investigating...

Quoting: 55starchief
Did you email barry grant and ask the question?

No not yet.
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Jamieg285 on July 05, 2006, 07:58:38 am
Quoting: FUBAR
Basically because I don't need too,


I understand that bit, which is fine if all you are doing is bolting on goodies, but if you are going down the route of having a new engine built, with no donor parts from your own engine, it would make more sense to have the better block.  Just because you have it, you don't have to go for any more power than you want, and would have more options for the future should you change your mind.   It will also be a much more desireable engine should you choose to sell the car on with it.
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Jamieg285 on July 05, 2006, 08:01:58 am
Quoting: 55starchief
also i dont know if you can buy a 305 block? it would have to be a used block.


I'd assumed he'd be after a used block anyway.  A new one costs a lot of money and the only reasons I could see for going for one is if you couldn't find a decent used one, or wanted a race engine.
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: 55starchief on July 05, 2006, 08:05:21 am
Quoting: Jamieg285
I'd assumed he'd be after a used block anyway. A new one costs a lot of money and the only reasons I could see for going for one is if you couldn't find a decent used one, or wanted a race engine.



Actualy its just as cheap to buy a new 350 block as to prep a used block acording to andy, by the time you mag,wash etc he has also had a 350 bllock fall apart after the wash cycle, a chink of the cylinder wall was missing (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/shame.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Jamieg285 on July 05, 2006, 08:07:20 am
No 305 blocks at Summit.  (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/down.gif)

You can get a new GM 350 for $645 though, which is better than I realised.
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: 55starchief on July 05, 2006, 08:13:43 am
Quoting: Jamieg285
You can get a new GM 350 for $645 though, which is better than I realised.


Yup thats what andy said and why he wont build cheby motors with old blocks
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Jamieg285 on July 05, 2006, 08:16:18 am
I wish GM did a 400 for that sort of price.

Cheapest is $1849  (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/jaw.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: 55starchief on July 05, 2006, 08:19:17 am
Quoting: Jamieg285
I wish GM did a 400 for that sort of price.


just stroke a 350 mate (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/wink.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on July 05, 2006, 10:57:17 am
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v223/ryanbudd/ShoppingListImage2.jpg\" border=\"0\"  alt=\"\" width=150>Just costing things that I can based on rebuilding it here with My block...Don't know if all those parts are compatible though... [img]http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/dontknow.gif) they look like it...

The alternative to all those Bottom end bits is to see if that Strokermotor place can do me a kit with a standard 3.48"Stroke Crank. would cost more but would alleviate the uncertainty over the Crank condition...

In a way, i'm confused! (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/dontknow.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Roadkill on July 05, 2006, 11:00:00 am
Quoting: FUBAR
i'm confused!


Chart looks pretty, though. (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/tongue.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on July 05, 2006, 11:03:30 am
Quoting: Roadkill
Chart looks pretty, though.


Thats what you get for spending all day In Excel Spreadsheets... pretty looking pages made out of Boredom...

At least the subject matter is interesting this time! BHP (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/drive.gif) (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/cool.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Roadkill on July 05, 2006, 11:04:56 am
I need to learn Excel . . . . . . (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/offtopic.gif) I know.
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on July 05, 2006, 11:07:37 am
Quoting: FUBAR
Don't know if all those parts are compatible though...  they look like it...


Can anyone help with the Heads/Roller Rockers/Pushrods/Hydraulic Cam compatibility Part?
Just a 2nd opinion as I don't know what will actually work with each other (or what the required pushrod length is...)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Incursus on July 05, 2006, 11:13:23 am
Quoting: Roadkill
I need to learn Excel . . . . . .  I know.


Keep telling you that (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/lol.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Incursus on July 05, 2006, 11:14:49 am
Quoting: FUBAR
Thats what you get for spending all day In Excel Spreadsheets... pretty looking pages made out of Boredom...



He he yeah tell me about it (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/rolleyes.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Jamieg285 on July 05, 2006, 11:23:07 am
Quoting: FUBAR
Can anyone help with the Heads/Roller Rockers/Pushrods/Hydraulic Cam compatibility Part?
Just a 2nd opinion as I don't know what will actually work with each other (or what the required pushrod length is...)


Yep, they all look OK to me.

You might want to see what difference going with the high life (1.6) rockers are in DTD, as they're the same price.

Push rods would be 5/16" x 7.794s (and I might have a new set at home - Crane - would need to see if I can find then for more details)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on July 05, 2006, 11:26:46 am
Quoting: Jamieg285

Yep, they all look OK to me.

Push rods would be 5/16" x 7.794s (and I might have a new set at home - Crane - would need to see if I can find then for more details)


Thanks Jamie (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/up.gif)

I haven't found anything about changing the rocker ratios in DTD as of yet, will look this evening
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Jamieg285 on July 05, 2006, 11:33:48 am
Quoting: FUBAR
I haven't found anything about changing the rocker ratios in DTD as of yet, will look this evening


See what you mean.  I would have expected it to be there, and expected it to make a difference, but not sure how much.

Personally, I'd go for them anyway.  The timing remains the same, it just allows more aire/fuel in.
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: 55starchief on July 05, 2006, 11:38:35 am
Quoting: Jamieg285
Personally, I'd go for them anyway. The timing remains the same, it just allows more aire/fuel in.


Might need to check the clearance on the piston first
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on July 05, 2006, 02:09:47 pm
Quoting: 55starchief
Might need to check the clearance on the piston first


Yeah thats why i've stayed with the stock 1.5:1 ratio ones. they would be fine though i'd imagine.
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on July 05, 2006, 03:26:33 pm
Given that a 305 Small Block is just a Narrow Bore 350 Block are the Crankshafts the same?... (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/dontknow.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: 55starchief on July 05, 2006, 03:44:24 pm
Quoting: FUBAR
Given that a 305 Small Block is just a Narrow Bore 350 Block are the Crankshafts the same?...


Not sure mate, might find that its a small main than the 350
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: philoldsmobile on July 05, 2006, 04:53:25 pm
i have a nagging doubt they are the same..

i know the harmonic dampers aren't
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on July 05, 2006, 10:02:03 pm
Guys

Advise Needed ASAP (by the end of tomorrow anyway...)

Stuff I'm getting from this guy in wales, whats it worth? he's asked me what I was thinking as a price and i've no idea...

Complete Interior Wiring Loom
2x Under-Dash Panels for footwells
Dashboard Plastic
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on July 05, 2006, 10:12:57 pm
No worries Phoned PhilO quickly...
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on July 06, 2006, 10:06:44 am
I e-mailed Andy Last night for some advise / guidance.
Hopefully he can help (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/cool.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: 55starchief on July 06, 2006, 10:47:25 am
Well with that new dyno sim you can get far more advanced
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on July 06, 2006, 10:50:51 am
Quoting: 55starchief
Well with that new dyno sim you can get far more advanced


Indeedy, I will be having a play with that over the weekend thats for sure (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/cool.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: 55starchief on July 06, 2006, 10:54:27 am
Quoting: FUBAR
Indeedy, I will be having a play with that over the weekend thats for sure


gonna drive yourself crazy with that mate, so many options and parts even your puter carb
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on July 06, 2006, 10:58:20 am
Quoting: 55starchief
even your puter carb


Sweet (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/cool.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on July 13, 2006, 07:58:15 am
Ok so following Last night this car will now be going up for sale. and its dilemma time,

In order to sell this car for what its really worth it would need the interior Loom that I was going to get from wales installing & the Piston Rings would need changing in the engine.  2 Very big Jobs.  This would make the car a good car, engine would be fine & the electrical gremlins would all be gone.
My dilemma is can I justify the time to fix these problems & do the car justice or sell the car as-is for less either as a rolling project or I believe EDGE has plans that don't involve interiors or engines... Now the body of the car is structurally sound this is a possibility.
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Jamieg285 on July 13, 2006, 08:14:15 am
Why does the loom need doing?  Is the current one just a mess, or is it faulty?  My point here is, is it something that the new buyer wouldn't notice until he had the car and started digging?

Piston rings - I'm asuming that this is an engine out job (i.e. I don't think you can drop the pan and pull the pistons with it in situ?   Either way, I'm not overly sure that it would be worth the effort.   Again, what symptoms does it have that would be immediately obvious to a buyer - is there a quick fix that can disguise those?
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on July 13, 2006, 08:18:59 am
Quoting: Jamieg285
what symptoms does it have that would be immediately obvious to a buyer


Oily Exhaust Gas Pouring out of the breather on the Pass. side within 1min of cold startup.
Stopped at Traffic Lights Exhaust gas emerging from rear of bonnet & sometimes getting sucked into the intake for the in-car vents which means you have to have the windows open.

This has got significantly worse over the last month.
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Jamieg285 on July 13, 2006, 08:22:07 am
Ah, doesn't sound so good (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/down.gif)

Are you certain that it's just piston rings, and isn't going to be something more (expensive) should you start stripping the engine?

Is it worth buying a cheap cut-out engine and just swapping it over?
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on July 13, 2006, 08:27:09 am
Quoting: Jamieg285
Is it worth buying a cheap cut-out engine and just swapping it over?


Probably not, if that was involved I may as well just sell it as-is.  So long as I can get enough for it to pay for the outstanding monies (need to check what that is but its not silly money) & the couple of bits needed right away for the new car i'll be happy.
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: 55starchief on July 13, 2006, 08:29:56 am
I would tr some stop smoke adative worked for me when i sold my old skoda with a shot motor
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Jamieg285 on July 13, 2006, 08:34:24 am
Quoting: FUBAR
Is it worth buying a cheap cut-out engine and just swapping it over?

Probably not, if that was involved I may as well just sell it as-is. So long as I can get enough for it to pay for the outstanding monies (need to check what that is but its not silly money) & the couple of bits needed right away for the new car i'll be happy.


I was just thinking in terms of less work, if you had to pull the engine anyway to sort the current one, it may be easier just to swap (dependant on the cost of the replacement engine)

Also, there would also be the option of rebuilding the 305 afterwards and selling it on later.
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on July 13, 2006, 08:42:36 am
Quoting: Jamieg285
Also, there would also be the option of rebuilding the 305 afterwards and selling it on later.


Well the problem with that is because its computer controlled there's a lot of other bits on the car that have to go with it, unless of course you leave the Carb Off.  probably a better idea.

+ My stepdad would go ape-sh1t about having an "old smelly engine" (probably his words) lying about the place.  I would not be popular
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Incursus on July 13, 2006, 03:56:33 pm
Quoting: 55starchief
I would tr some stop smoke adative worked for me when i sold my old skoda with a shot motor


Was also gonna say try some stop smoke shove some fresh oil in and hide the wires.  

Then activate your Somebody Elses Problem Field and all will be well (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/wink.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on July 13, 2006, 05:01:57 pm
Quoting: 55starchief
I would tr some stop smoke adative worked for me when i sold my old skoda with a shot motor


Its not smoking from the exhausts tho, its coming from the breathers.
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: philoldsmobile on July 13, 2006, 05:13:01 pm
trust me, this is well past what stop smoke can do.....


its breathing really badly, and is starting to miss.... wiring will be difficult to hide, as there are a few things that dont work, and others that are borderline dangerous... (like the headlights that go off after a few seconds on high beam)

after some changes in the law private buyers do have some comeback, so its not really worth the risk.
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: 55starchief on July 13, 2006, 05:19:16 pm
This is where it gets dificult. Any money you spend your unlikley to see again. If the car is as bad as you say your gonna need to pull the motor to fix the rings and it wont just be rings you need to buy, add in a hone job at the least and gaskets and you wont get much change from £500 plus your time
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: philoldsmobile on July 13, 2006, 05:21:40 pm
prob big end shells too.. when they are worn they rarely live long when you put the motor back together..
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: 55starchief on July 13, 2006, 05:24:51 pm
You might well get more for it by breaking it for spares, i wish i could offer you more help mate
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: philoldsmobile on July 13, 2006, 05:26:06 pm
i say find a cheap 305 for sale and drop in...
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on July 13, 2006, 09:02:15 pm
Quoting: philoldsmobile
i say find a cheap 305 for sale and drop in...


Might be a possibility, to pul the engine, unbolt all the accessories, drop in a new Block & re attach everything I think could be done in a weekend...
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: 55starchief on July 13, 2006, 09:06:34 pm
Quoting: philoldsmobile
i say find a 305 for and drop in...



you think deano wouyld notice if his was missing (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/chiny.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on July 13, 2006, 09:16:23 pm
I was thinking more along the Lines of this TBH

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=006&item=160007018341&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1

At the moment just as cheap as buying the bits & doing it myself!!!
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: 55starchief on July 13, 2006, 09:20:32 pm
That wont stay that low mate unfortunatly i reckon it will be about £750 by the end of the auction (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/down.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on July 13, 2006, 09:37:42 pm
probably, had I not just bought this nice new car i'd have been bidding on that most likely!
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Roadkill on July 13, 2006, 11:27:30 pm
Quoting: philoldsmobile
i say find a cheap 305 for sale and drop in...


sounds like the only option if the motor's that bad . . . .

(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/chiny.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Incursus on July 14, 2006, 07:08:28 am
Quoting: Roadkill
Quoting: philoldsmobile
i say find a cheap 305 for sale and drop in...

sounds like the only option if the motor's that bad . . . .


Indeed I didn't realise it was so bad (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/dontknow.gif)

Musta degraded real quick (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/down.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on July 14, 2006, 08:20:39 am
Quoting: Incursus
Musta degraded real quick


The Piston ring / Blowing Breathers problem has got significantly worse in the last month
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Roadkill on July 14, 2006, 08:52:28 am
Odd, mine hardly looses any out of the breathers (in fact none) but just lets it out the pipe(s) . . . .

(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/confused.gif)

Might be worth floating it on Ebay for £1,000 no reserve . . . . Someone might buy it and it'll save you alot of headaches for the sake of trying to get a few hundred quid more . . .
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on July 14, 2006, 06:17:39 pm
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Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Jo on July 14, 2006, 06:56:48 pm
What you got then??
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on July 14, 2006, 07:06:15 pm
sent ya an MSN...
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Jo on July 14, 2006, 08:09:56 pm
(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/up.gif) nice wheels, nice colour too
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: F Body on July 14, 2006, 08:12:38 pm
Quoting: FUBAR
New Car Tomorrow


Try not to break this one 007 (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/lol.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: ianjpage on July 14, 2006, 08:59:47 pm
lol anyone would think you excited mate!!!
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on July 14, 2006, 11:41:39 pm
Quoting: F Body
Try not to break this one 007

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Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Incursus on July 15, 2006, 08:03:56 am
Quoting: FUBAR
New Car Tomorrow



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Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: philoldsmobile on July 15, 2006, 03:51:38 pm
shiny shiny shiny shiny shiny shiny shiny shiny shiny shiny shiny shiny shiny shiny shiny shiny shiny shiny shiny shiny shiny shiny shiny shiny shiny shiny shiny shiny shiny shiny shiny shiny shiny shiny shiny shiny shiny shiny shiny shiny shiny shiny shiny shiny shiny shiny shiny shiny shiny shiny shiny shiny shiny shiny shiny shiny shiny shiny shiny shiny shiny shiny shiny shiny shiny shiny shiny shiny shiny shiny shiny shiny

fubars drive looked like a mini car show earlier!!

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Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: ianjpage on July 15, 2006, 08:31:39 pm
Quoting: philoldsmobile
fubars drive looked like a mini car show earlier!!


hehe i take it he got it then!!!
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Roadkill on July 16, 2006, 06:00:09 pm
Piccys ? (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/smirk.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: ianjpage on July 16, 2006, 09:34:28 pm
WE NEED PICS! (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/up.gif) (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/up.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on July 16, 2006, 10:22:37 pm
Quoting: ianjpage
WE NEED PICS!  


I haven't taken any of my own yet because I've been away today.
MOT is 9am tomorrow morning, after that I can drive it anywhere I like! not just to an MOT station!
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: ianjpage on July 16, 2006, 10:36:58 pm
Ahh right so it taxed and insured just not tested then...hmm whens that stopped people (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/roll.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on July 16, 2006, 10:38:03 pm
Quoting: ianjpage
hmm whens that stopped people


Me Last year before the R&R Weekend, turned up after lunch on the saturday because the car had its MOT that morning.
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: ianjpage on July 17, 2006, 09:53:19 am
ahh ok ok you the 1 person then te-he-he!!
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on July 17, 2006, 03:31:15 pm
The plan for my old Car is looking more & more likely that it'll be broken for Parts,  the 3 main components of which are that EDGE is tentatively interested in using the shell as a Track Car (providing we can agree a reasonable price), Jamie is keen on having the Gearbox & Rafe is having the seats off me this coming weekend.
There are a few parts on the car that I'll be swaping over to my new car, (Light lenses, a few switches and a couple of other bits) which i'll be doing tomorrow.

Alternatively a complete engine rebuild has already been ruled out on the grounds of time & cost, the only thing thats pulling me away from breaking it for parts is the auction on ebay of a reconditioned 305 Longblock which could be dropped into the car & all the ancilliaries bolted to it fairly easily. but I really don't know if I've got the time or space to do this.
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Giblets on July 17, 2006, 04:20:43 pm
Quoting: ianjpage
Ahh right so it taxed and insured just not tested then...hmm whens that stopped people


In my case, not at all.

Flaunted it to show at the weekend, sans MOT.

Getting it sorted this week though. Purely an oversight though. Will pay more attention to dates in future.
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Giblets on July 17, 2006, 04:25:38 pm
Sorry to hear yours might be for the breakers mate. Does this mean we won't be sticking my interior into yours?

At least you know plenty of other third gen owners to peddle the parts to I suppose!
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: ianjpage on July 17, 2006, 08:31:28 pm
think to think of mate - is what bits will you be left with that maybe hard to shift.....
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on July 17, 2006, 10:05:52 pm
Quoting: FUBAR
Jamie is keen on having the Gearbox


Guys, will this gearbox be ok behind Jamies 400cid? Last thing I want to do is sell it to him & then it get shredded!
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: 55starchief on July 17, 2006, 10:09:31 pm
Quoting: FUBAR
Guys, will this gearbox be ok behind Jamies 400cid? Last thing I want to do is sell it to him & then it get shredded!


What box is it and what work did you have done to it on the rebuild?
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on July 17, 2006, 10:18:23 pm
Its a TH700R4
Rebuild on 10/08/05 at 90215miles (Car is now on approx 93500)
Stock rebuild + new Torque Converter
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: 55starchief on July 17, 2006, 10:21:40 pm
It might be on the limits of a 400ci think that box is rated to about 340hp
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on July 17, 2006, 10:24:25 pm
Quoting: 55starchief
think that box is rated to about 340hp


Correct circa 350hp
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Jamieg285 on July 18, 2006, 09:46:08 am
My engine is currently only pumping out 300 (estimated), and it's likely to be a while before I get any significant upgrades on it.

My concern wouldn't be the HP, but the torque, and I'm not sure where I can find that info.

That said, I have read that these boxes were standard equipment behind some big block motors, so it probably isn't an issue.
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: 55starchief on July 18, 2006, 09:55:46 am
Quoting: Jamieg285
My concern wouldn't be the HP, but the torque, and I'm not sure where I can find that info.



as far as i can see this is the spec for a stock 700r4

Stock 700R4 Overdrive
Standard Gear Ratio: 3.06/1.62/1.00/0.68
Optional Gear Ratio: (none)
Horsepower Rating: 300
Torque Rating: 370
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Jamieg285 on July 18, 2006, 09:59:21 am
Quoting: 55starchief
Torque Rating: 370


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Where's this info from?
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: 55starchief on July 18, 2006, 10:00:02 am
Quoting: Jamieg285

Where's this info from?



http://www.fbperformance.com/NewSite/viewtrans.asp?TransmissionID=31
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Jamieg285 on July 18, 2006, 10:29:14 am
Bummer.

Looks like a no-go I'm afraid.  Not without some work on it.

http://www.transmissioncenter.net/700R4_Torque_Drive.htm
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: 55starchief on July 18, 2006, 10:31:47 am
Those raptor transmisions are awesome although i would still rather a th350
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Jamieg285 on July 18, 2006, 10:35:47 am
Quoting: 55starchief
Those raptor transmisions are awesome although i would still rather a th350


Yeah, they did look good, will have to investigate more thoroughly when the time comes.
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on July 23, 2006, 09:46:39 pm
Well today was a success, Rafe has his new Leather Seats installed and to say he was chuffed that the 4th Gen Power Seat Track gave him another 1.5" of Leg room was a mild understatement!
Every Little helps !

We also discovered that he's not too far off being able to drive the car from the rear seats!! (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/rofls.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: F Body on July 24, 2006, 06:03:20 am
Quoting: FUBAR
We also discovered that he's not too far off being able to drive the car from the rear seats!!


The extra weight over the rear axle would be like having traction control (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/wink.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on August 02, 2006, 09:47:28 pm
Well its listed... (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/confused.gif) (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/sad.gif)

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=011&item=320013513443&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on August 03, 2006, 08:56:26 am
hehe funny how these things happen, just been contacted by a previous owner from about 4 years ago who saw the ad... would have been a lot more interested if I wasn't selling her!
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: F Body on August 03, 2006, 09:05:10 am
Quoting: FUBAR
Well its listed...


Looks like an acurate right up - good luck (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/wink.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on August 03, 2006, 09:25:11 am
Quoting: F Body
Looks like an acurate right up - good luck


Cheers m8,
I think I have described it very honestly, it looks really good in the piccys tho... don't want to sell it now (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/sad.gif)
If it doesn't i'm going to try & fix the engine it I think... (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/confused.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Roadkill on August 03, 2006, 09:45:45 am
Quoting: FUBAR
don't want to sell it now  
If it doesn't i'm going to try & fix the engine it I think...


Don't do it, Mate - That's just your emotional connection with the car pulling your strings . . . If you spend more money you WILL NOT see it back . . . . And you know you can't keep it.
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Roadkill on August 03, 2006, 09:51:13 am


Looks good - Hell, even I was tempted for a second. (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/tongue.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on August 03, 2006, 10:08:05 am
Quoting: Roadkill
Hell, even I was tempted for a second.


hehe yeah Buy it as a daily! just a set of piston rings & you're away!
Although I would be upset when you didn't polish it... (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/sad.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: ianjpage on August 03, 2006, 12:24:13 pm
Quoting: FUBAR
Although I would be upset when you didn't polish it...


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looks a good listing mate so hope it goes for a good price!
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on August 03, 2006, 12:27:35 pm
Quoting: ianjpage
hope it goes for a good price!


I wish it would m8 but with the engine problem accurately described I'm not that confident TBH (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/sad.gif) (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/cry.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on August 03, 2006, 06:28:16 pm
Hmm a guy has asked me for a Buy it now price... I don't know what to say.(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/dontknow.gif) anyone got any ideas?
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on August 03, 2006, 06:31:13 pm
Oh and he's also offered me P/X on a 1997 Chav'scort... (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/chiny.gif) depends on the condition of it obviously.
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: ianjpage on August 03, 2006, 09:53:41 pm
Quoting: FUBAR
Hmm a guy has asked me for a Buy it now price... I don't know what to say. anyone got any ideas?


Atart at 1500 and say negotioable?

Quoting: FUBAR
Oh and he's also offered me P/X on a 1997 Chav'scort... depends on the condition of it obviously.



Make a good daily??
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on August 04, 2006, 12:11:36 am
Learn something new every Day: (From the same guy who contacted me, mentioned above)

"Hi again. the camaro just needed exhaust+handbrake cable 4 mot when I bought it, sold it  about 18 months later which was about 4 years ago.it came from about 200 yards from twickenham and was owned by a guy who had about 25-30 yanks.he used to hire them as film cars and the camaro was in 1 just b4 i bought it off him.
apart from oil+filter etc the only thing i needed to get when i had it was a new starter.i also put the steering wheel on as the original leather had split and worn.
if you were selling it about 6 months ago i would have been interested but i have another z28 now just spent about 2k on the engine+stiffening up the body.
take care and i'll be up your way next month at santa pod.you cant miss my camaro its purple mica with pepperami man graphics,so if you spot it give me a shout.
cheers Rod.
ps originally the camaro was metallic red with silver along the bottom.
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Jamieg285 on August 04, 2006, 07:27:04 am
Quoting: ianjpage
Quoting: FUBAR
Hmm a guy has asked me for a Buy it now price... I don't know what to say. anyone got any ideas?

Atart at 1500 and say negotioable?


I'd start higher personally, you never know how much of a mug the person buying is.  If they're not a mug, they'll try and knock you down.
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Giblets on August 07, 2006, 12:20:35 pm
Good luck with the auction mate.

Given the engine problems, I'd take what you can get as fixing them will cost big, and even then you still have a car with bodywork issues and a few other faults.

I know you've ploughed a lot of wedge into her over the years, but I think now is the time to stop if you can get a sale.

She certainly looks good in the pics and your description is bang on!
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: ianjpage on August 08, 2006, 09:47:02 am
Oooo its got a bid (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/up.gif) (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/up.gif) (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/up.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Roadkill on August 08, 2006, 11:10:42 am
Quoting: ianjpage
Oooo its got a bid


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Fingers crossed for you, Mate. (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/up.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on August 08, 2006, 11:54:24 am
yeah fingers crossed, only a feedback rating of 7 (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/confused.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: ianjpage on August 08, 2006, 01:46:51 pm
yeah but 100% rating tho....
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on August 08, 2006, 10:13:17 pm
got to withdraw the bid, he phoned me saying he got his m8 to bid on it for him before he read about the engine probs, i'm going to leave the bid until later on  before cancelling it (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/mad.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: ianjpage on August 08, 2006, 10:25:03 pm
Quoting: FUBAR
got to withdraw the bid, he phoned me saying he got his m8 to bid on it for him before he read about the engine probs, i'm going to leave the bid until later on before cancelling it


Your frickin kiddin!!

i would have told him sorry mate - you bid on it, not my prob if you cant read!!

Wish these tw*ts on ebay would think about it before they bid!!
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Rocky on August 09, 2006, 07:13:56 am
why doesnt he cancel the bid himself? there is plenty of time left.
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on August 09, 2006, 08:46:15 am
Quoting: Rocky
why doesnt he cancel the bid himself


I don't think he can... Maybe I don't know eBay that well... (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/dontknow.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Jamieg285 on August 09, 2006, 08:50:11 am
Quoting: FUBAR
Quoting: Rocky
why doesnt he cancel the bid himself

I don't think he can... Maybe I don't know eBay that well...


I think it has to be within a certain time of the bid.
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Roadkill on August 09, 2006, 08:52:55 am
F*cking tosser.

Bad luck, Mate.

Still, leave the bid on for a while, may encourage others . . .
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on August 09, 2006, 09:01:51 am
Quoting: Roadkill
Still, leave the bid on for a while, may encourage others . . .


exactly what i'm doing...
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Giblets on August 09, 2006, 12:05:38 pm
Yeah make the gimp sweat!
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Jamieg285 on August 09, 2006, 12:13:27 pm
You should have the right to leave feedback in situations like this.  (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/mad.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: 55starchief on August 09, 2006, 12:16:57 pm
you bid to buy would be my response
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on August 09, 2006, 01:16:10 pm
Quoting: 55starchief
you bid to buy would be my response


Yeah but then he just wouldn't have paid either way it wouldn't be sold
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Rocky on August 09, 2006, 05:36:37 pm
He can take it off if its before the last 12 hours of the auction end,then your the only one that can,
Trouble is when bids start being removed it puts others off because they think somethings wrong.
When you do remove it if you have to you can put a comment in the reasons.
Make it good(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/devill.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on August 09, 2006, 06:40:04 pm
Quoting: Rocky
When you do remove it if you have to you can put a comment in the reasons.
Make it good


I will do m8, and i'm leaving it there in the hope that it will get outbid anyway and I won't have to make it look bad.  Anyone want to buy a Camaro? (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/up.gif), give it a week to fix the engine & sell it again! (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/cool.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on August 10, 2006, 09:01:44 am
Well, the guy has been outbid (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/up.gif) (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/up.gif)

looks like she's going to sell (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/cool.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Jamieg285 on August 10, 2006, 09:20:35 am
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Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: ianjpage on August 10, 2006, 09:34:55 am
woohoo (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/rock.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Giblets on August 10, 2006, 02:06:40 pm
Plenty of feedback too......(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/up.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on August 10, 2006, 02:09:55 pm
Yeah hopefully it might even get some other people bidding too (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/up.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Roadkill on August 10, 2006, 04:32:27 pm
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Good Luck.
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Giblets on August 14, 2006, 12:40:26 pm
What happened then Ryan?
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on August 14, 2006, 01:08:40 pm
Quoting: Giblets
What happened then Ryan?


Don't ask...
stupid bidders chickening out!
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: ianjpage on August 14, 2006, 02:40:12 pm
wot twice ? ? ?
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on August 14, 2006, 02:42:35 pm
Quoting: ianjpage
wot twice ? ? ?


Yeah, I told you on saturday about that.
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: ianjpage on August 14, 2006, 02:44:09 pm
yeah but i thought there were someone else that bid again on it and was coming sunday or summat (well according to philo??)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on August 14, 2006, 02:45:25 pm
no a guy sent me an e-mail after the auction ended saying would I take £850 Cash and he could collect sunday, I said meet me 1/2 way and call it £1000 and he had a deal & left my phone number but was never contacted.
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: ianjpage on August 14, 2006, 03:05:22 pm
Quoting: FUBAR

no a guy sent me an e-mail after the auction ended saying would I take £850 Cash and he could collect sunday, I said meet me 1/2 way and call it £1000 and he had a deal & left my phone number but was never contacted.


AHh right - bummer (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/sad.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Giblets on August 14, 2006, 05:01:21 pm
Man there are some tw@ts that sift through ebay. I feel your pain mate.

You should stick it up there again for £999.00 no reserve and hopefully get shot of it.
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Roadkill on August 16, 2006, 09:21:35 am
What a F@cker. (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/mad.gif)

Have you thought about contacting ebay and chasing down this tw@t ?
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: ianjpage on August 16, 2006, 09:25:01 am
you gunna relist or ??
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on August 16, 2006, 09:39:26 am
Quoting: ianjpage
you gunna relist or ??


I'm taking some posters with me this weekend marked as "£1200 ono"
if there's no luck then it will be going back on flebay with a lower start price.  I need to sell it!
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Roadkill on August 16, 2006, 10:38:04 am
Have you considered actually taking the car ?

I know you'll want to take the new, shiny one but seeing it in the flesh is much more likely to get you a sale.

At car shows almost everything under £1,500 goes . . . it's a magic price. (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/tongue.gif)

Seriously though - I'd take your old one.
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on August 16, 2006, 10:41:34 am
Quoting: Roadkill
Have you considered actually taking the car ?


1 problem there, I can't drive it anymore because my insurance policy transferred onto the new car, + I don't want to drive it loads.
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: ianjpage on August 16, 2006, 11:44:43 am
Quoting: FUBAR
??


I'm taking some posters with me this weekend marked as "£1200 ono"
if there's no luck then it will be going back on flebay with a lower start price. I need to sell it!


Ahh fair enough - see what response ya get !!!

Quoting: FUBAR
1 problem there, I can't drive it anymore because my insurance policy transferred onto the new car, + I don't want to drive it loads.


Can you not add it temporarily as additional vehicle - i just added the dohnut wagon to my policy for 48 quid fer 2 wks
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Giblets on August 16, 2006, 03:19:34 pm
I agree with Roadkill mate.

Your old one with a good waxing would easily get sold in the flesh for a decent price.

Just insure it for the day and try and get someone else to drive it along if possible. Graham?
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Roadkill on August 16, 2006, 03:55:23 pm
Quoting: Giblets
Just insure it for the day and try and get someone else to drive it along if possible.


Chris was planning on coming up with me on Saturday . . . and as he's driven a V8 (and a third gen) for more then a mile before maybe better suited ?

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Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Incursus on August 16, 2006, 04:00:45 pm
Quoting: Roadkill
Chris was planning on coming up with me on Saturday . . . and as he's driven a V8 (and a third gen) for more then a mile before maybe better suited ?


No problem with that so long as its all legal and wot not.
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on August 24, 2006, 11:28:23 am
This car is beginning to really irritate me now (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/mad.gif) why can't I sell the damn thing? its relisted on flebay at £950 which even with the engine issues described is giving the thing away.(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/sad.gif) (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/mad.gif)

I can't list it on AVO unless i'm a member and I refuse to advertise it on the AACI site.

All because the stupid fukin engine chose NOW to have really visible problems!  Am I just being too honest?

Pissed off!
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Roadkill on August 24, 2006, 11:30:23 am
Quoting: FUBAR
Am I just being too honest?


Probably . . . . . (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/down.gif)

I'd chuck some stop smoke in it and see what happens . . . It made a difference in the Caddy . . .
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on August 24, 2006, 11:34:03 am
Its not the exhaust smoke thats the problem, nobody gets that,(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/smirk.gif) its the plumes of exhaust gas coming from the breathers that would make people run a mile, so I have to mention it!
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Incursus on August 24, 2006, 11:40:14 am
Quoting: FUBAR
its the plumes of exhaust gas coming from the breathers


Plug the breathers? (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/dontknow.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Roadkill on August 24, 2006, 11:41:39 am
I'm assuming it's the valve seals that've gone ?

I'd take out the breathers both sides, see if one was worse then the other then whip the valve cover off and have a butchers'.
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on August 24, 2006, 12:23:11 pm
I've no idea what it is TBH
if you remove the oil cap or the PCV valve it comes from that side too.
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Jamieg285 on August 24, 2006, 12:46:02 pm
Can't you route the breathers into pipes instead and either feed it back into the carb or somewhere less obvious?
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on August 24, 2006, 12:48:30 pm
Possibly, but there is now 1 major problem, its been on flebay twice with the problems listed, if i Hide / Bodge the fixes and relist it as a fine car everyone who's interested has already read the description at least twice so will either see right through it or ask a million questions about how it was fixed, the thing had over 2000 page views last time and is already on over 850 in under 3 days this time.
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Jamieg285 on August 24, 2006, 01:11:25 pm
Try listing it elsewhere - other sites and /or mags?
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: ianjpage on August 24, 2006, 01:14:32 pm
Hmm try autotrader (gorra pay tho) as get good coverage there??
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Jamieg285 on August 24, 2006, 01:16:06 pm
Also, completely re-do the ad - different words/style and different pictures, make it less obvious it's the same car.
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Roadkill on August 24, 2006, 01:32:40 pm
Quoting: Jamieg285
Can't you route the breathers into pipes instead and either feed it back into the carb


Very good idea. (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/up.gif)

Quoting: Jamieg285
Also, completely re-do the ad - different words/style and different pictures, make it less obvious it's the same car.


You could ask chris to sell it via his account, too - completely throw people off ?
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on August 24, 2006, 01:43:50 pm
Quoting: Roadkill
Quoting: Jamieg285
Can't you route the breathers into pipes instead and either feed it back into the carb

Very good idea.  


Best way to do that would be to route it into the Old Air tubes which feed air into the exhaust anyway. would have to go in behind the eletronic controller though.
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on August 24, 2006, 01:45:55 pm
Quoting: Jamieg285
Try listing it elsewhere - other sites and /or mags?

Quoting: ianjpage
Hmm try autotrader (gorra pay tho) as get good coverage there??

Quoting: Roadkill
You could ask chris to sell it via his account, too - completely throw people off ?

Quoting: Jamieg285
Also, completely re-do the ad - different words/style and different pictures, make it less obvious it's the same car.


All good ideas, i've never had to do this before and am obviously doing it completely wrong, blatently you just have to Lie through your teeth & forget your concience neither of which I'm any good at! (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/mad.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on August 24, 2006, 01:46:31 pm
Also i've been suggested Wynns Lifter Lube (or something along those lines...)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Jamieg285 on August 24, 2006, 02:02:06 pm
Can't remember if it's been suggested, but is pulling the engine and selling them separate an option?
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on August 24, 2006, 02:11:04 pm
Quoting: Jamieg285
Can't remember if it's been suggested, but is pulling the engine and selling them separate an option?


Well if I can't sell it in its present condition it will go to the Barn (when the works are done & space is avaliable)

When there it's fate will be decided, bearing in mind I have a complete engine rebuild gasket kit at home already for the LG4, and if people are willing to help me cos once inside the engine I can't tell its arse from its elbow! It will be inspected to see whats wrong.
If its anything thats in the Rebuild Kit (including valve stem seals) it will get changed, stuck back together and sold as a proper running car.  Basically a budget rebuild.
If Its Catastrophic then it'll get parted out (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/mad.gif)
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on August 24, 2006, 02:11:59 pm
Double Post
stupid work proxy server
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Finlay on September 06, 2006, 07:41:53 pm
So have you still got this?

Are you Parting is out?
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: philoldsmobile on September 06, 2006, 09:03:35 pm
quick bodge idea....

buy a pair of those Mr Gasket breathers that take a hose off them, and route the hose into the air filter...

the smoke then gets chucked back into the engine
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: philoldsmobile on September 06, 2006, 09:04:53 pm
FWIW i'd still mention the problem, but then i am over honest when selling cars..

i just think how i'd feel if i bought it unawares....
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on September 07, 2006, 07:36:36 am
PhilO,
do you by any chance still have the stock air cleaner from you're Camaro?  because the stock setup was to do that anyway!!!
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: FUBAR on September 07, 2006, 08:52:28 am
Why didn't I think of this before sticking it on flebay...  I even have a spare filter for that part of the stock air cleaner.
Title: Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...
Post by: Finlay on September 08, 2006, 10:34:29 am
FUBAR,

Some one on the Lincstorque forum might be interested in it mate. they are looking for a project car.

Visit www.lincstorque.com and check the American  section. you can PM the person there user name in kia_tat .

The post I did is on
http://lincstorque.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=25304#25304

(im slowly converting them all over to the Iron Side, and cars that need a few parts can only do my business some good...lol (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/up.gif))