Quoting: Roadkill
For now let's remind ourselves of how she began life :
With a road-trip to Kent(?) and a potato. (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/up.gif)
Quoting: Incursus
With a road-trip to Kent(?) and a potato.
And a certain somebody that should've had a sh!t before we left Ashford ! (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/rofls.gif)
Quoting: Motorama
I'm guessing you have plans for getting the power down
Everyone's telling me to keep the stock axle . . . an LSD for it simply isn't going to happen so I need to rely on better suspension and tyres to transfer the power . . .
Quoting: Motorama
steering
The new engine is a LOT lighter than my stock one . . . there'll also be other minor savings in weight, too which'll improve things. new suspension will help and I plan to fit a much thicker sway bar.
There's not a lot more on offer, really, without front-clipping it.
Quoting: Motorama
stopping
It'll be getting front discs and modern booster/proportioning valve . . . rear discs would be nice but I have 4 brand new drums and 4 new sets of shoes which would make sense using !! We'll see.
Without question, she's getting a Ride Tech kit - HQ Series at the front, Cool rides at the rear.
Quoting: Motorama
Would possibly be interested in your old transmission depending on price, and maybe other ancillaries you junk.
Clive wants the block but I'll confirm what ancillaries he wants closer the time . . . The trans will be available as he's got some manual Lasalle boxes that'll mate-up.
As I said, I've got 4 new drums, 4 sets of shoes, new slaves cylinders, wheel bearings, the brake master cylinder will be available and I have a rebuild kit for this . . . There's other stuff, too which I'll list when I'm preparing to pull the motor (probably around August - I want to get one more year's use out of her if I can).
Have updated Engine spec to reflect change from +40 to +50 Thou (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/up.gif)
EDIT
Quoting: Roadkill
but why you ask ?
The heads used on this dyno run are the ones that are going into my build . . . not the same type, no - that actual heads you see in the video !
They're getting new valves and hardware but it did save me some $$$$
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I've also asked Marty to take some snaps along the way so I'm hoping to post some pictures within a month.
Quoting: Roadkill
For now let's remind ourselves of how she began life :
Always a good place to start (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/wink.gif)
EDITED
Sorry, Martyn.
I edited-out the pictures from this post . . . The two girls draped over my Caddy actually give me cold-shivers every time I scroll passed them, so they had to go, I'm afraid.
Quoting: Roadkill
Deposit's been paid for the engine
(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/up.gif) (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/rock.gif) sweet - project is technically underway then !!
Quoting: Roadkill
the engine should be finished in early March
Cool, what's the approx delivery timeframe or is that the delivery date
Quoting: Roadkill
It'll be shipped to Long Beach, Ca, where it'll be shipped by sea to Felixstowe . . . from there it'll go straight to Stromberg so they can build the intake.
Exciting. (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/lalala.gif)
Quoting: Roadkill
Pinged an email off regarding brakes . . . question is do I want to fork out another $1000 just to say I've got rear discs !!???
What wheels are you going to be running?
Quoting: Roadkill
I'm not a fan of alloys on old cars ....
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Unless they are 'classic'-looking alloys.
Update from Marty . . . In his own words :
Quoting: Marty
the rotating assembly is BACK. Plans are to get the rotating assy in the engine this weekend and perhaps a completed short block. Will take some pics as I go.
I asked for a pic of the Block, too.
Simple things . . . (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/rolleyes.gif)
Quoting: Roadkill
Marty sent me some proper engine-porn pics last night.
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Quoting: Cunning Plan
Is the block being painted any colour?
Quoting: Roadkill
Also, worth noting that I've requested the motor NOT be painted (I'll do this myself).
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"Cadillac Blue" is quite pale . . . I've not decided on a colour, yet, but yes - it will be painted for sure.
Quoting: F Body
What sort of BHP and torque figures are you expecting
This engine is shockingly similar to the one they use on PBTV (in fact the heads are those exact ones used) . . . . That made 600/600.
Obviously I've not gone for electric water pump and and few other bits so I'll loose there. The biggest limiting factor is the silly intake I'm putting on it.
The carbs can supply the fuel and air, but the design (although cool as F***) will limit it.
When chatting with Marty, I made it clear that the intake wasn't the be-all and end-all. The motor is designed to have a single-plane manifold and a massive 4bbl bolted on if I ever wanted to gain the maximum potential.
In a nutshell . . . Dunno . . . with a Single Plane & 4bbl, probably in the region of 550/550 . . .
With may intake (???) . . . I'd be happy with 400Bhp and 450 ft.lb (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/tongue.gif)
Quoting: Roadkill
"Cadillac Blue" is quite pale . . . I've not decided on a colour, yet, but yes - it will be painted for sure.
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Quoting: Titsy
or would the engine be to lumpy to lock the converter in part throttle conditions?
I think that'd be the case . . . that said I'm not even sure if locking converters are available . . . I think they came later.
Quoting: Andy
Gotta delete the 's' on the end of the Http part.
I thank you.
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Quoting: Roadkill
The cast ally valve covers were a must. As soon as I saw the picture I knew I'd got the right ones.
Paint or anodise and the machine skim across the embossing to make it look sharp (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/cool.gif)
Quoting: Cunning Plan
What are you doing with the old engine?
I'm part-ex'ing it against my intake and carbs from Stromberg.
Quoting: Roadkill on 4th April
Had some agro with my credit card company . . . had to split the brake order into two . . . thankfully the company were cool about it.
Should be dispatched - heading to Marty - on Tuesday.
Quoting: Roadkill on 9th April
Brakes have arrived at MTS. Everything's ready to go.
I need to be getting him some $$$$ PDQ !
Quoting: Roadkill
Anyone wanna buy a Dayvan ?
CP? (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/chiny.gif)
Quoting: Roadkill
Engine's now all paid for.
Still can't afford the suspension . . .
My first three options for shipping hasn't gone to plan so it's looking likely that Marty (MTS) will be shipping it himself, direct to Stromberg.
. . . . Which means I need to find another £620 yesterday.
Anyone wanna by a Dayvan ?
cool wallet a bti lighter then lol!!!
Oh that's not good then, how come they not going to plan then?
Quoting: ianjpage
how come they not going to plan then?
Originally I was planning to ship to the docks at Long Beach via MTS, then let Stromberg deal with the shipping to the U.K . . .
This was because the guy they normally use was looking to be cheaper . . . alas, when it came to the crunch, their usual guy wasn't shipping anything. I held it up by adding the brakes and ended up missing the next container. When it was ready to go the normal guy didn't have anything and the other person they lined up would've worked out more.
So I went back to Marty and asked him to get a quote . . . he's now dealing with the shipping from his workshop straight to Stromberg's doorstep !
Quoting: Cunning Plan
Not quite my thing.
Pfft. No taste. (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/rofls.gif)
Anyway - <drum roll>
The engine and gearbox (and brakes) should be being picked up from MTS today . . . I should have some tracking details shortly.
I always said I wouldn't actually start the Caddy until I had the Engine, Trans, Brakes and Suspension bought.
At the moment I have 3 out of 4 . . . although there's still the intake and carbs required for the motor . . .
I really do need to push the sale of the Pig to free up some funds. The bill that I've been left with will mean spare funds, otherwise, simply won't exist for a year or two.
Still.
It'll be worth it. (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/rolleyes.gif)
Quoting: Roadkill
Pfft. No taste.
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Quoting: Roadkill
The bill that I've been left with will mean spares funds, otherwise, simply won't exist for a year or two.
So no more projects? (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/shame.gif) (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/cry.gif)
Quoting: Roadkill
Originally I was planning to ship to the docks at Long Beach via MTS, then let Stromberg deal with the shipping to the U.K . . .
This was because the guy they normally use was looking to be cheaper . . . alas, when it came to the crunch, their usual guy wasn't shipping anything. I held it up by adding the brakes and ended up missing the next container. When it was ready to go the normal guy didn't have anything and the other person they lined up would've worked out more.
So I went back to Marty and asked him to get a quote . . . he's now dealing with the shipping from his workshop straight to Stromberg's doorstep !
Ahh right bit of a shame then.
Quoting: Roadkill
The engine and gearbox (and brakes) should be being picked up from MTS today . . . I should have some tracking details shortly.
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Quoting: FUBAR
Get on the Overtime eh Dean
I average about 60 hours a week at the moment . . . but I don't get paid for overtime !
Pro-rata, I'm probably the lowest paid person I know !!! (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/lol.gif)
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Quoting: Roadkill
EDIT - the engine's just rounded the South-East corner of Ireland . . . should be docking in a matter of hours !!!
(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/up.gif) just passing north of Llandudno now!!
Quoting: Cunning Plan
So, how is it being delivered from the port?
It's a door-to-door deal so I don't care really, as long as it's in the correct amount of pieces ! (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/tongue.gif)
Quoting: Roadkill
I'll take some better pics, then.
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Quoting: Roadkill
blue body / white roof
Definitely IMO.
Quoting: Roadkill
Mmmmmm, my office has that "just re-conditioned" smell . . . .
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Quoting: Roadkill
Mmmmmm, my office has that "just re-conditioned" smell . . . .
Looks good, had any comments from the 'guvner yet
Quoting: ianjpage
had any comments from the 'guvner yet
He helped me carry it in !!! (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/rofls.gif) (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/rofls.gif) (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/rofls.gif)
Quoting: Cunning Plan
but they are so big and heavy that they are difficult to store when you are not using them
100% agreed.
I used to borrow a more compact fold-up one but knew I needed a monster to handle the Big Block Caddy.
Storage is going to be a real issue but I'll have to get round it . . . . this is one of those little luxuries I've been promising myself for over 17 years !
Quoting: Roadkill
Anyway, back on the subject at hand . . . I need to pick up a heavy motor and the gearbox in the Mondeo is on it's last legs . . . death by Cadillac ?
It would be very ironic if the Mondy died giving birth to the Caddy's motor (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/wink.gif)
Quoting: Cunning Plan
PICTURES WILL be necessary!!!!
Here ya go. (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/kiss.gif) (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/hug.gif)
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Picked the Caddy's new motor up yesterday . . . no issues to report.
All went to plan.
Just need to finish Pimp'in the engine stand and get her attached to it !
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Quoting: Andy
On the first page you say you're mounting it to a TH350
Read it again . . . (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/nono.gif)
Quoting: Roadkill
Transmission TH400 (Cadillac / BOP) Long Tail, Gearbox,
Quoting: Andy
is the bell housing bolt pattern on this the same as all SBC?
No. Chevy is Chevy.
Cadillacs use the "BOP" pattern which is the Buick, Oldsmobile, Pontiac pattern.
Cadillac adapted to suit the BOP in the 60's IIRC . . . Some refer to BOP as BOP(C). (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/tongue.gif)
A TH350 wouldn't last 5 minutes behind a 472/500 Caddy . . . especially not a worked-over 512.
A SBC 350 / TH350 is a good combo . . . Once you begin to approach Big Block territory TH400's (and their later versions) are the only way forward.
About 520lbs as it sits . . .
Quoting: Cunning Plan
How did you get it in and out?
Engine crane.
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Put some strops around the motor, reduce the length of the chain / hook on the crane, then I used a bow shackle to hold the strops together.
There was enough clearance to get the motor in . . . It then had to be man-handled to get it further over the axle / and vice-versa for removal.
Quoting: Roadkill
I don't want to go into details too much, yet . . . .
I'm trying to be fairly transparent with this project so I'll fill-in some details regarding the intake.
Originally, I discussed the intake with Clive at Stromberg and he'd come up with a price of £400 to fabricate it (with me supplying the basic "kit"), plus supply the valley cover (required on Poncho and Caddy motors).
Good price, I thought, so that was how it started . . .
Although quickly it became apparent that he'd not got his head around the level of work involved in fish-mouthing all the pipes and the fettling needed to weld it up.
We originally discussed making it off of the engine, but he'd suggested - quite rightly - that it'd be best fabbing it on top of the motor . . . which was why the motor was sent to Stromberg in the first place.
Don't get me wrong, these things are a PITA to make from the "kit" (which is why I didn't want to do it) BUT this is not anything out of the ordinary when it comes to these "dual log" style manifolds . . they've been around since the late 40's and haven't changed at all in that time so I was surprised at some of the questions I was getting asked.
Clive then said he was nervous about fabricating over the motor in case anything contaminated it so asked for me to create a (fairly elaborate) jig.
I was also then left with designing and supplying the valley pan, too . . .
And also a new set of intake flanges as the ones in the kit were too small for the massive ports - this was nobody's fault but mine, really, but the list of things I was now having to sort was growing.
In the end I decided to scrap the "dual log" design.
I love the look of them, but in reality they don't flow that great and If I'm going to be left with loads of work I may as well design something truly unique.
So, I'm in the process of designing - from scratch - an all-aluminium intake and am now looking to increase the number of carbs from Six to an even Eight.
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Yeah, yeah, I could buy an off-the-shelf 4BBL intake and be done with it . . . but I've got an idea in my head and that's that.
Unfortunately, with the delays on the manifold this has effectively pushed the actual start date of the project into next year, now. I was planning to start taking her apart around now but it won't be until spring '15, at the earliest.
I'm a bit put out with Stromberg for the messing about BUT aren't holding any grudges.
At the end of the day, they're a couple of guys running a small business that's in the U.K and in a very U.S based market. That in itself is really cool but on top of this they're releasing multiple new products and a completely new "big" 97.
I could start throwing my toys out of the pram but what they're doing is cool.
I can't argue with that . . .
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Quoting: Roadkill
got the plate for the engine stand test fitted
cool so engine be on teh stand this weekend then lol
Quoting: Cunning Plan
You just need to knock through the wall on the right into the living room to give you space to work at the side
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It's on a different level, plus part of it is actually the kitchen . . . and the kitchen is already pretty small.
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Unfortunately, the "tidy up" has highlighted a list of other (non-auto) jobs that really need doing, so yesterday I stripped out the cupboard that was damaged in the "flood" that happen a few winter's back so it can be re-modeled and repaired . . . I also finished doing the physical installation of an extractor in the bathroom (I had the fun job of drilling a 107mm wide hole in the wall up in the loft then fitting the outside vent by climbing up a ladder on top of the garage roof) !!
I've got some other jobs to do in both the front and back gardens before the weather cracks up too, but I'm hoping to be clear-ish in October.
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Quoting: Roadkill
by climbing up a ladder on top of the garage roof)
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Quoting: Andy
go to a super market and get them
I did, typically, they'd sold out. (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/rofls.gif)
Quoting: Titsy
Out of interest, any chance of a top down photo of the heads showing the inlet tracts?
I'll post some later.
Quoting: Cunning Plan
Cunning Plan demands progress!
Well, there is some . . . .
Quoting: Roadkill
The plenums and new cover plate have been issued to the workshop so I'm waiting for a quiet period to get them made.
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Plenum tubs looks great . . . they even linished them . . . which I didn't really want but can work with.
All the tubes are with Mr Dibley at the moment so as soon as I get them back I can start getting some bits TiG'ed together . . .
The "Revision B" of the cover plate is, dimensionally, spot-on, but this time they "over-bent" it . . . meaning that I have to try and bend it back a couple of degrees . . . . REALLY frustrating as, if it doesn't bend back, it'll have to be made AGAIN !
Quoting: Andy
Sorry Dean, had a really busy week so didn't even get a chance to look at them. Will try and get them finished this week, at the moment they're all cut, just waiting to trim them and turn the diameter down.
No worries, it wasn't a prod, honest . . I've waited weeks for the plenums so I'm not gonna start hassling you after a few days. (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/wink.gif)
Quoting: Roadkill
I'll need an army of volunteers to help lift the body from the chassis some point next year, first . . .
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Quoting: Ralph
Thought about front end options? Making a one piece flip front or something?
Mmmm, yes!!
Similar to:
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Okay, you would lose the cool old-skool 'hood' opening, however, I think that is an acceptable compromise to have much better engine access. (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/mechanic2.gif)
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Quoting: Ralph
Well I'm local mate so put a shout out on here! Best to let Andy know though as I don't get on here too often but more than willing to help out!
Noted and thank you.
Quoting: Ralph
Having to take the whole body off to get the engine in place?
No, not to get it in, to get it to fit . . . there'll be frame and body modifications to get the motor and trans to fit so the best way to attack it is with the body off . . . initially. Once the engine and trans are fixed, it'll be a case of offering the body up a few times and seeing how much needs to be cut out.
Quoting: Ralph
Making a one piece flip front or something?
No, definitely not. It's not the look or style I'm going for and with all that chrome (that I intend to keep) it wouldn't work.
Quoting: Ralph
http://www.penguinspeedshop.com/
Interesting - I'll look them up. Ta. (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/up.gif)
Quoting: Roadkill
. . . an obvious failure between myself and our workshop ended up with ALL of the holes on the plenums being too small.
I managed to resolve the issue with the smaller holes quite easily by opening them out with a step-drill and shaving a little off the stubs on a baby lathe but there was no easy fix for the larger diameter, longer tubes (watch this space).
Space watched ? (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/tongue.gif)
Anyway, the issue with the larger tubes is now resolved, took a bit of faffing, but got there in the end.
Meaning the next job was to use the off-cut of the larger tubes to start test forming one end into a rectangular-shape for the ports.
I had loads of mental ideas, but spoke to the workshop and got their feedback . . . long story short, I ignored it all and did my own thing - pictures below is the first attempt with an off-cut . . .
It's about 90% where I want it to be . . . I'm going to make a "male" tool to press into the rectangular end to even the sides out but, to be honest, it's use able as is.
I've got two more off-cuts to test on but don't think 'll need them . . really happy with the results . . .
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Next job is to design the "male" tool and have the workshop make it (or most of it) - then actually form the 8 intake runner tubes . . . .
Slowly, slowly . . . but today was a major hurdle crossed. (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/up.gif)
Quoting: Roadkill
really happy with the results . . .
How did you do that? (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/huh.gif)
Quoting: Roadkill
Price confirmed for the 8 x 2bbl Stromberg '97's and linkage . . . £1,805. Cash !!
Yikes, definitely not cheap, but will look (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/cool.gif) when done!