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Title: Flashing glow plug light
Post by: Incursus on September 03, 2012, 07:07:14 am

Ok new problem...saying that the clutch noise hasn't come back..yet...


..Anyway just before I got on the M1 this morning the Glow Plug light started flashing and there was a slight loss of power, Limp home mode I'm assuming.
This continued for the rest of the journey.

Some quick Google searches suggest anything from replacing the Crank Position sensor or cleaning the EGR valve to new fuel pump and injectors (expensive!).

Any ideas?  
I'll certainly be taking the EGR Valve off tonight as I looks like the easiest fix.

Title: Flashing glow plug light
Post by: art b on September 03, 2012, 10:28:30 am

prob not relevant ....
had the same on the audi and it was a faulty brakelight switch...(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/dontknow.gif)
 as its linked to the engine management with the abs....

Title: Flashing glow plug light
Post by: Incursus on September 03, 2012, 11:05:10 am

Hmm just been out to see if the issue was still there.. it is and if I bring it to around 1k revs it gets lumpy and bluish smoke blows out of the exhaust.

Title: Flashing glow plug light
Post by: Andy on September 03, 2012, 03:07:58 pm

Ah shite!

Blue smoke ain't good.

I think the Glowplug light is a catch all for emission issues, as in the ECU has picked up a nasty reading from one of the sensors. Now blue smoke means oil is being burnt if I remember correctly. Check your oil is a good start. Low or high? Has it changed since you last checked.

EGR, a mod that I did on my mk2 was block the pipe off, I stuck a ball bearing down the vacuum tube which stopped it opening, but yours could be gunked up, hook it off and give it a clean, see if it makes any difference.

The blue smoke is a bit worrying as like I said I think it'll be oil and short of holing a piston it's more likely your turbo seals could've gone. Whatever you do, do not YouTube runaway diesel engines.

When I get on a comp I'll do a bit more research, but for now check your oil and have a bash at the EGR.

Title: Flashing glow plug light
Post by: Incursus on September 03, 2012, 08:26:59 pm

Oil level looks fine, the blue smoke is only when the engine is cold and runs lumpy when reved lightly.  Drives fine when warm other than a lack of power.

Cleaned the EGR valve was slightly oily but not especially clogged..but made no difference.

Might change the camshaft position sensor tomorrow as the seems to be the next on the list of culprits.  

http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=47694#m1011024  last post has exact symptoms as the engine warning light also came on on the way home this evening

Title: Flashing glow plug light
Post by: Andy on September 03, 2012, 09:42:05 pm

TWENTY TIMES! Those guys at Ford! (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/rofls.gif)

Title: Flashing glow plug light
Post by: art b on September 04, 2012, 07:16:41 am

ford boys ....turn it off and on again and again and again and....(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/rofls.gif)

Title: Flashing glow plug light
Post by: Incursus on September 04, 2012, 12:22:20 pm

Well it's not the Camshaft position sensor...time to bend over and take it to a garage...  (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/down.gif)

Title: Flashing glow plug light
Post by: art b on September 04, 2012, 02:05:48 pm

get someone to read the fault codes..(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/wink.gif)

Title: Flashing glow plug light
Post by: Incursus on September 04, 2012, 02:22:20 pm

Quoting: art b

get someone to read the fault codes..

No DTC's recorded according to the dashboard diagnostics but yes I'm trying to borrow a code reader from work.

Unfortunately I'm off work till Thursday then off to Italy so timing isn't great.


I knew I should have finished building one out of the left over bits of my Uni Dissertation (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/lol.gif)

Title: Flashing glow plug light
Post by: Andy on September 04, 2012, 06:01:15 pm

I wasn't 100% sure the dash DTC tell the full story so definitely worth plugging it in and seeing what's what. Have you posted this on any forums yet?

Title: Flashing glow plug light
Post by: Fieldy on September 05, 2012, 11:12:47 pm

Quoting: art b

ford boys ....turn it off and on again and again and again and....

I had the same issue with the glow plug light, lost my turbo too (Useles without it!). Left it over night and it stopped happening and fixed itself. That was 4 weeks ago.

My airbag light came on the other day too, but now that has disappeared again so I don't give a shit.

It developed a squeak under braking 3 days ago, that has also stopped.

That was all on my MK3 Mondeo, My MK2 never has any issues (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/rolleyes.gif)

Title: Flashing glow plug light
Post by: art b on September 06, 2012, 07:55:48 am

Quoting: Fieldy

I had the same issue with the glow plug light, lost my turbo too (Useles without it!). Left it over night and it stopped happening and fixed itself. That was 4 weeks ago.

My airbag light came on the other day too, but now that has disappeared again so I don't give a shit.

It developed a squeak under braking 3 days ago, that has also stopped.

That was all on my MK3 Mondeo, My MK2 never has any issues

ford the cars that fix themselves....(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/rofls.gif)



has yours been done by the ford fairies yet chris...(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/tongue.gif)

Title: Flashing glow plug light
Post by: Incursus on September 06, 2012, 11:16:33 am

Quoting: art b

has yours been done by the ford fairies yet chris...

Nope, though I'm hoping they will do it while I'm on holiday next week (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/tongue.gif)

Quoting: Andy

I wasn't 100% sure the dash DTC tell the full story so definitely worth plugging it in and seeing what's what.

 
No it doesn't, but I gave it ago anyway.  Yup working on borrowing a reader but doubt it will happen before I go away and the car is booked in for next Thursday

Quoting: Andy

Have you posted this on any forums yet?

Nah the symptoms have been posted so many times with the same answers..

Title: Flashing glow plug light
Post by: Incursus on September 14, 2012, 08:27:50 am

Busted injector (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/can.gif)

Title: Flashing glow plug light
Post by: Roadkill on September 14, 2012, 09:02:49 am

Ah, bugger.  Guess I've been lucky (or you unlucky).

Just noticed this thread and I was gonna say injector as I had suspected mine before but the symptoms didn't match.

Mine's on 204000 from yesterday. (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/up.gif)

Title: Flashing glow plug light
Post by: Incursus on October 01, 2012, 10:38:24 am

Two injectors £500.. Ouch but seems to be running great at the moment.

Though I'm sure there is still a smell of diesel in side the car, I only notice it when the cars been sitting for a while after a long journey...(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/dontknow.gif)

First noticed it a week or so before the injectors "went", couldn't find anything amiss in the engine bay, leak wise and then assumed it was injector related.

Not sure if it's still there though as I've had Man-Flu for the last week...but pretty sure I caught a wiff on Friday.  (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/dontknow.gif)

Fuel economy seem a little low for this tank as well, probably only get 54-55.. normally get closer to 60mpg, though I have been carting a heavy load or two so not too worried yet.

117777 miles and paid for herself at least twice over and as of this month paid off my last credit card (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/rock.gif),  so can't really complain but it would be nice to see another 6-12months out of it before, I get another one.

Title: Flashing glow plug light
Post by: Andy on October 01, 2012, 12:56:00 pm

Right, I dunno the common rail system too well but on mine, I had spill over pipes between each injector which eventually feed back to the tank fail.

I had a situation where I suddenly started smelling fuel, lifted the back seat, the sender unit was fine, the send pipe was fine as was the return. I thought nothing more off it until one night I was flying down the M40 back from a car meet, whacked the heater on and nearly passed out from the smell of diesel. The rubber hoses had broken down and there were now hair line fractures on each one with the one at the end actually producing a small mist of fuel. I got off the motor way and the whole rhs of the bay was coated in diesel. Thinking about it I was bloody lucky it didn't go up!

Might be worth checking them out by lifting the engine cover!

Title: Flashing glow plug light
Post by: Incursus on October 01, 2012, 02:25:54 pm

Yup did check under the cover,  really doesn't seem to be coming through the vents (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/chiny.gif)

Title: Flashing glow plug light
Post by: Andy on October 02, 2012, 06:04:32 am

Is the fuel sender still located under the rear bench? Maybe worth giving all the pipes are nice and secure.

Title: Flashing glow plug light
Post by: Incursus on October 02, 2012, 10:10:33 am

Quoting: Andy

Is the fuel sender still located under the rear bench?

Not sure, need to investigate.

Quoting: Andy

Maybe worth giving all the pipes are nice and secure.

Yup, 1st job on the very long list this weekend (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/rolleyes.gif)

Title: Flashing glow plug light
Post by: Incursus on October 06, 2012, 12:36:25 pm

Well I've given all the pipes I can get to without dropping the tank a once over, from injectors to tank, had the bung under the seat out and had a good look and sniff around there, with engine running and without, it all seams fine. (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/dontknow.gif)

There was still a stink of diesel when I first opened the car door though. (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/dontknow.gif)

I guess its a case of dropping the tank next, not looking forward to that. (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/down.gif)

And no, I don't have a jerry can of fuel in the boot. (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/tongue.gif)

Title: Flashing glow plug light
Post by: Incursus on March 11, 2013, 10:36:16 am

Well another 10k miles later and looks like the "worn" injector the garaged mentioned last time has finally failed. (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/can.gif)

Or something expensive along those lines anyway.

DTC code: P0251 "Injection pump fuel metering control A".

Garage is having a look at it tomorrow, I've got my dads old XJ8 in the meantime as the Mustang isn't taxed.

Title: Flashing glow plug light
Post by: Roadkill on March 11, 2013, 11:10:40 am

Bloody Mondeos (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/tongue.gif)

Title: Flashing glow plug light
Post by: Titsy on March 11, 2013, 12:46:47 pm

Should have bought an Alfa... (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/tongue.gif)

Title: Flashing glow plug light
Post by: Roadkill on March 11, 2013, 01:05:32 pm

Or Two Alfa's (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/grenade.gif)

(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/rofls.gif)

Title: Flashing glow plug light
Post by: Incursus on March 11, 2013, 01:16:09 pm

Injectors are consumables right?  (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/lol.gif)

Title: Flashing glow plug light
Post by: Roadkill on March 11, 2013, 02:23:29 pm

(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/lol.gif)

Title: Flashing glow plug light
Post by: Cunning Plan on March 11, 2013, 07:41:13 pm

Probably not relevant, but my Pop's petrol Mondeo went into Limp-mode when the catalytic converter had gone / blocked. That also pumped smoke out when you tried to rev it.

Title: Flashing glow plug light
Post by: Incursus on March 12, 2013, 07:42:22 am

Quoting: Cunning Plan

Probably not relevant, but my Pop's petrol Mondeo went into Limp-mode when the catalytic converter had gone / blocked. That also pumped smoke out when you tried to rev it.

DTC came back with injectors, also there's no extra smoke being pumped out so probably not the Cat...this time.

Title: Flashing glow plug light
Post by: Incursus on March 12, 2013, 02:36:05 pm

anyone changed the fuel filter on their Mondeo?  I've read you need to prime with diesel..

Why do I have the feeling I'll be sucking on diesel this weekend (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/yak.gif)

Title: Flashing glow plug light
Post by: Roadkill on March 12, 2013, 03:38:15 pm

Nope, but I've always found YouTube useful for info-videos.

I'd be surprised if you could suck past the pump . . . I'd assumed as it's a high-pressure pump it wouldn't be that easy . . .

(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/dontknow.gif)

Title: Flashing glow plug light
Post by: Incursus on March 12, 2013, 08:20:38 pm

Filter comes before the pump, seems there's no pump at the tank end hence the need to manually prime or prefill the filter.

Especially as the pump uses the fuel as a lubricant so doesn't like running dry.

Title: Flashing glow plug light
Post by: Roadkill on March 12, 2013, 09:43:24 pm

Ah, interesting.  What about getting one of those cheapie drill-attachments to pump/suck it ?

Not a clue how much they are but I can't image much.  (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/dontknow.gif)

Title: Flashing glow plug light
Post by: Cunning Plan on March 12, 2013, 09:44:41 pm

I would think that you will need to reprime the system, although, unhelpfully, I do not know exactly how.

(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/mechanic2.gif)

However, you can crack the pipe to injector 1 slightly off and crank it through until Diesel comes out without any air-bubbles. There will be Diesel in the system, then an air-lock where the filter has been changed, then Diesel.

Title: Flashing glow plug light
Post by: Incursus on March 13, 2013, 07:54:33 am

I'll try an oil extractor pump first.

Seem you connect up the filter except for the centre pipe, attach a pump and suck/pump until the filter is full...or you can use a syringe or funnel and fill it from the top.

Apparently you should change the filter every 10K or so according to what I've read and the chap at the garage highly recommended changing it regularly.

I bought a filter around 30K miles ago but never got round to changing it, despite having done 2 services and replacing 2 injectors in that time (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/dunce.gif). and who knows how long the current one's been on there (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/confused.gif)

P.S As suspected it was the 2 remaining injectors so that's another £500 aka a months fuel expenses (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/can.gif)