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« on: February 05, 2009, 06:26:40 pm »
Right this is one for all you website guys, I want to build my own website now, what is the best program to use to do this. I have had a go with some company "build your own ones" but wanted something a bit different.



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« Reply #1 on: February 05, 2009, 06:34:18 pm »
Personally, I don't use any.  Those that I have seen cause more headaches than they are worth.

A lot will depend on what you are trying to achieve. Much more than basic functions and you may be better talking to someone with more experience.  I don't mind discussing what you want and offering some more specific advice.

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« Reply #2 on: February 05, 2009, 06:35:58 pm »
IIRC you have a Mac?

I'd suggest using RapidWeaver:

http://www.realmacsoftware.com/rapidweaver/

Bear in mind that you can change theme colours and replace images with your own through drag and drop.


Alternatively PM me...

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« Reply #3 on: February 05, 2009, 07:12:07 pm »
Whats dreamweaver and fireworks? I want or need something easy to use and update but still look quite cool.

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« Reply #4 on: February 05, 2009, 07:20:40 pm »
Forget dreamweaver etc.

It's quite the learning curve.
People often recommend it like people recommend Photoshop to anyone who wants to do anything with photos.

Easy to use and update isn't too difficult, as I say there is iWeb and RapidWeaver on the Mac.  And they do look quite cool.  But if you have a specific design in your head it can be difficult to realise as in order to be easy to use they do have to make certain assumptions and apply some limitations to their flexibility.

To realise a specific design that is in your head will require you to write your own HTML/CSS and possibly javascript (and PHP code and MYSQL code even) and be good with Photoshop as well.

If you're prepared to compromise then the easy to use template based apps I mentioned will give you a website that doesn't look like a home made affair.

For the record I use Dreamweaver for speed and convenience even though I do use it purely in the raw code view and sometimes just use notepad for quick changes.  I do this for a living so the speed is important to me as I need to get through work quickly otherwise my prices would be too high for so many customers who sadly, don't take their website as seriously as they should and want to get a mate to knock something up over a couple of evenings in return for a couple of beers...  



Think of it like me offering to do bodywork repair on someone's car instead of having them bring it to you so they can save a few quid.  There will be filler and paint on it and it will be *a* repair, but it won't look pleasing or professional.

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« Reply #5 on: February 05, 2009, 07:31:45 pm »
I agree with HRC. Dreamweaver and Fireworks are expensive proffesional products, but are complex and will take time to learn. The 'web' guy where I work tries to use it, but is constantly asking me for help with it.  My advice is give those a miss.

What is it that you are looking for?

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« Reply #6 on: February 05, 2009, 07:46:41 pm »
That's the trouble i don't really know what i want yet, I used j album on the last site but had to mess about with the pics alot in photoshop which I'm OK using. The guy who did the site i think just used templates but hes done something to it now and alot of it doesn't work also it works on some browsers and not on others. I just got fed up having to get the guy to do it all whereas it would be nice to update it myself.

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« Reply #7 on: February 05, 2009, 07:47:31 pm »
Is there anything for a PC (no jokes HRC)

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« Reply #8 on: February 05, 2009, 07:55:17 pm »
LOL!

I imagine there must be something similar to Rapidweaver but I (honestly) don't know what so can't recommend.  

Back in my PC days<shudder> I still used dreamweaver or notepad but then I can do the raw coding.  One of the PC guys here may know of something but as I say, don't think about Dreamweaver as that's very high end and a major learning curve unless you don't mind learning HTML/CSS yourself over a few weeks.

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« Reply #9 on: February 05, 2009, 08:00:08 pm »
What about one like this http://www.chipfoose.com/

I dont mind learning if its worth it I have websites for dummies but if you dont think its possible i wont try, I know you guys trained for doing this so dont expect it to be easy.

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« Reply #10 on: February 05, 2009, 08:06:14 pm »
Easy enough to do something similar in terms of code but you're not going to get a generic template for the easy to use software that looks that good or create such a thing from scratch in said software.

You can get some really nice templates that require you to do *some* coding  manually and that would be the closest you'll get on ease of use and "look" to Foose's site.  But you will still need to learn CSS/HTML.

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« Reply #11 on: February 05, 2009, 08:17:39 pm »
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What about one like this http://www.chipfoose.com/


I was expecting something quite fancy from Foose, it looks rather plain

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« Reply #12 on: February 05, 2009, 08:24:38 pm »
It used to be better but hes not doing as much building now farming it all out.

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« Reply #13 on: February 05, 2009, 08:34:48 pm »
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I was expecting something quite fancy from Foose, it looks rather plain


Keep up with net fashion!

Plain is the current hot style!

 

People have gotten fed up with sites that use more graphics as part of the site/page design than actually in the content!  Content is king!

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« Reply #14 on: February 05, 2009, 08:37:37 pm »
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I dont mind learning if its worth it I have websites for dummies but if you dont think its possible i wont try, I know you guys trained for doing this so dont expect it to be easy.


I recently read that it's accepted wisdom that it takes 10,000 hours of doing something technical/skilled before you become an expert/pro at it.  Sounds about right really.

I wouldn't say it's not worth it, far from it.  I'm sure you can learn how to do it just as I could learn to do the bodywork stuff, just don't expect to get the hang of it quickly.  As with any other skill it takes time, patience and practice.

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« Reply #15 on: February 05, 2009, 08:48:55 pm »
I dont mind teaching you bodywork but it takes real skill to paint in the snow

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« Reply #16 on: February 05, 2009, 09:00:58 pm »
I can already write my name in the snow without even needing my hands so I fail to see how anyone can improve on that...


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« Reply #17 on: February 05, 2009, 09:20:35 pm »
Dont think my customers will approve of the application technique of your method on their cars

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« Reply #18 on: February 06, 2009, 07:40:16 am »
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Is there anything for a PC


one of the products we use at work is coffeecup - they do a few different versions of it and its a real nice tool - you can work in pure HTML mode or a "WYSIWYG" mode and switch between the 2..

see website -> http://www.coffeecup.com/