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Title: Anyone know about fuel fittings?
Post by: Jamieg285 on April 20, 2006, 12:13:03 pm
OK, I have a new carb somewhere between Andy's and here.  When I fit it, I want to completely replace the fuel feed system.

The general plan is - new hose from tank to new electric pump.  New pipe from pump to engine bay, through new filter, through new regulator, through pressure guage sender to carb.

I want all vivisble piping to be braided.  What fittings should I be looking for?  

I don't know what comes with the carb or pump.  From memory, the regulator doesn't have any yet, but has screw fittings to allow whatever fitting I choose.  Filter is currenlty all plastic, so would attach with hose clips, but this can be changed for a different filter if different fittings are used elsewhere.

Been looking at various sites, but there's so many options, I've gotten confused.
Title: Anyone know about fuel fittings?
Post by: 55starchief on April 20, 2006, 12:16:17 pm
If its fuel it will be -6 or JIC6 as its also known. Silverstone is the easiest place as there are like 4 places up there that sell all that stuff
Title: Anyone know about fuel fittings?
Post by: Incursus on April 20, 2006, 12:28:36 pm
Let me know what you find cos I need some fuel pipe as well (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/wink.gif)
Title: Anyone know about fuel fittings?
Post by: 55starchief on April 20, 2006, 12:37:16 pm
I will be going to the circuit some  time soon as i need to get some 3/8" and 1/2"  Goodridge 536 fuel line. You guys probably wont buy this stuff as its about £30m also its not braided but a wipe clean silicon coated hose in blue. I will howebver say that it is the best hose i have come across and is what we ran on the Beatrice with no problems
Title: Anyone know about fuel fittings?
Post by: Incursus on April 20, 2006, 12:43:13 pm
I need cheapish stuff cos its about 8m.  Needs to be good enough for the new engine/fuel pump though (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/dontknow.gif)
Title: Anyone know about fuel fittings?
Post by: Jamieg285 on April 20, 2006, 12:45:00 pm
I'm currently trying to put together a shopping list, so that I have (virtually) everything I need at once.  I am hoping to get most bits from the US, as they are likely to be cheaper than Silverstone.

The pipe itself is pretty easy - just need plain hose for the underside of the car, and then braided for when it becomes visible.  The main thing is to find some at a decent price.  In brief searches I have done in the past, there seems to be a wide range in prices, but no real information as to why.
Title: Anyone know about fuel fittings?
Post by: Jamieg285 on April 20, 2006, 12:45:36 pm
Quoting: Incursus
I need cheapish stuff cos its about 8m. Needs to be good enough for the new engine/fuel pump though


Ditto - I think (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/dunce.gif)
Title: Anyone know about fuel fittings?
Post by: Incursus on April 20, 2006, 12:48:56 pm
Quoting: Jamieg285
and then braided for when it becomes visible


I thought braided was important for below the car to protect the pipe?


me (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/dunce.gif) as well?  (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/smirk.gif)
Title: Anyone know about fuel fittings?
Post by: Incursus on April 20, 2006, 12:51:25 pm
http://www.jegs.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Cate goryDisplay?catalogId=10002&storeId=10001&category Id=79814&parentCategoryId=10301&langId=-1  Seems cheap and cheerful....
Title: Anyone know about fuel fittings?
Post by: 55starchief on April 20, 2006, 12:53:06 pm
Guys 8mm or 3/8 hose aint gonna be big enough on your motors min recomended fuel line from tank to pump and pump to regulator is 12.5mm or 1/2" for performance motors
Title: Anyone know about fuel fittings?
Post by: Jamieg285 on April 20, 2006, 12:57:15 pm
Quoting: 55starchief
Guys 8mm or 3/8 hose aint gonna be big enough on your motors min recomended fuel line from tank to pump and pump to regulator is 12.5mm or 1/2" for performance motors


OK, good call.  Might as well get it right from the start.

What that in - AN?  -8 ?
Title: Anyone know about fuel fittings?
Post by: Roadkill on April 20, 2006, 12:57:45 pm
1/2" ???

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Would've thought 3/8 or 10mm I/D would be O.K . . . .
Title: Anyone know about fuel fittings?
Post by: Jamieg285 on April 20, 2006, 12:58:22 pm
Quoting: Incursus
I thought braided was important for below the car to protect the pipe?


Nah, it's more for show on a street car.
Title: Anyone know about fuel fittings?
Post by: FUBAR on April 20, 2006, 12:58:59 pm
vehicle wiring products sell braided Hoses.
Title: Anyone know about fuel fittings?
Post by: Jamieg285 on April 20, 2006, 01:00:37 pm
Quoting: Roadkill
1/2" ???

 

Would've thought 7/16 or 10mm I/D would be O.K . . . .


See, it's all too confusing?

8-9-10-12???  How do we work it out?

Won't a fatter pipe affect the pressure?
Title: Anyone know about fuel fittings?
Post by: 55starchief on April 20, 2006, 01:00:49 pm
Quoting: Roadkill
1/2" ???



Would've thought 7/16 or 10mm I/D would be O.K . . . .


most carbs have the facility to dual fuel so in order to keep good pressure from the regulator on twin lines the main line needs to be twice the output lines to the carb.

So if you were gonna run 3/8 lines from the regulator to carb a 1/2" main line would be about right.

Also its recomeded that you avoid using 90 and 45 angle to get from and to the cardb etc. If you must use bends use the tube style 90s
Title: Anyone know about fuel fittings?
Post by: 55starchief on April 20, 2006, 01:02:50 pm
Quoting: Jamieg285
See, it's all too confusing?

8-9-10-12??? How do we work it out?

Won't a fatter pipe affect the pressure?



not really mate

-8 or jic 8 is 3/8 hose the 8 being the tube size

there is no -9 only -3 and -5 are odd numbers used for brakes and clutch

A fatter pipe wont affect pressure but will aid the flow of fuel. The pressure is regulated at the end of the line before you split to the carb. the regulaor should be as close to the carb as posible
Title: Anyone know about fuel fittings?
Post by: Jamieg285 on April 20, 2006, 01:08:59 pm
Found a page with AN hose, but no other measurements.

How do the following match up to mm and inches?

-4
-6
-8
-10
-12

???
Title: Anyone know about fuel fittings?
Post by: Incursus on April 20, 2006, 01:16:25 pm
http://www.holley.com/data/Products/Technical/Fuel  %20Pump%20Tech%20Info.pdf

Kinda helpfull

FUEL LINE SYSTEM
The fuel line system should be routed to avoid running near hot spots, such as
various exhaust system components, and designed to promote maximum fuel
flow. Most factory stock fuel systems utilize 5/16" fuel lines. This size works
well on street applications with stock engines. When the horsepower requirements
go up, however, the inadequacy of this line size soon becomes apparent.
A #6 (3/8") line size is sufficient for all street performance applications
and some racing applications. #8 (1/2") fuel lines are used on everything
else, including alcohol applications. Avoid using rubber fuel lines, or use
them sparingly, for two reasons. First, rubber is more resistant to the flow of
fuel than any hard line. An actual pressure loss can be measured over distance.
Second, for safety’s sake, it’s not a good idea to use rubber fuel line,
especially when using a high pressure performance fuel pump.
Title: Anyone know about fuel fittings?
Post by: Jamieg285 on April 20, 2006, 01:16:59 pm
Quoting: 55starchief
most carbs have the facility to dual fuel so in order to keep good pressure from the regulator on twin lines the main line needs to be twice the output lines to the carb.

So if you were gonna run 3/8 lines from the regulator to carb a 1/2" main line would be about right.

Also its recomeded that you avoid using 90 and 45 angle to get from and to the cardb etc. If you must use bends use the tube style 90s


My carb only has single feed.

However, in the future I will be swapping to Pro-Flo EFI, but I don't know the fuel requirements for that yet, apart from it will need higher pressure and therefore a different pump.
Title: Anyone know about fuel fittings?
Post by: 55starchief on April 20, 2006, 01:17:46 pm
Quoting: Jamieg285
How do the following match up to mm and inches?

-4
-6
-8
-10
-12



-4 = 5.56mm
-6 = 8.73mm
-8 = 11.12mm
-10 = 14.27mm
-12 = 17.47mm

-3 and -4 are mainly brake and clutch sizes unless your in the F1 industry when they use -6
Title: Anyone know about fuel fittings?
Post by: 55starchief on April 20, 2006, 01:19:07 pm
Quoting: Jamieg285
My carb only has single feed.


what carb is it ?

here is a link to a suppler of goodridge hose, 200 and 600 are braided 5s6 is not. I will go for the 536 as everything under my hood will be blue silicone also i have had good results with the 536 before

http://www.performancecentre.co.uk
Title: Anyone know about fuel fittings?
Post by: Jamieg285 on April 20, 2006, 01:45:00 pm
Carb is the Edelbrock 1411 - Performer 750cfm elec choke

Will check those other links later.
Title: Anyone know about fuel fittings?
Post by: 55starchief on April 20, 2006, 01:50:26 pm
Quoting: Jamieg285
Carb is the Edelbrock 1411 - Performer 750cfm elec choke


Am pretty sure this can be dual fueled with the addition of a second fuel nipple on the second otherside of the carb
Title: Anyone know about fuel fittings?
Post by: Incursus on April 20, 2006, 01:54:51 pm
Part No. FHO15
Car Universal
Description Black cotton overbraid
Int. dia. 12mm
Price (per metre) £3.60


Looks like the stuff....
Title: Anyone know about fuel fittings?
Post by: 55starchief on April 20, 2006, 01:58:01 pm
Quoting: Incursus
Part No. FHO15
Car Universal
Description Black cotton overbraid
Int. dia. 12mm
Price (per metre) £3.60


Looks like the stuff....



No way would i run that , but hey its your car.  If your on a tight budget run a length of s/steel tube or aluminium tube its about the same price as that stuff but a lot better
Title: Anyone know about fuel fittings?
Post by: Jamieg285 on April 20, 2006, 01:59:26 pm
Quoting: 55starchief
Am pretty sure this can be dual fueled with the addition of a second fuel nipple on the second otherside of the carb


Not sure on that, not seen anything about it on the sites I have been visiting.  

Would be intrested to know if it can be done though.
Title: Anyone know about fuel fittings?
Post by: Incursus on April 20, 2006, 02:01:45 pm
Quoting: 55starchief
Quoting: Incursus
Part No. FHO15
Car Universal
Description Black cotton overbraid
Int. dia. 12mm
Price (per metre) £3.60


Looks like the stuff....


No way would i run that , but hey its your car. If your on a tight budget run a length of s/steel tube or aluminium tube its about the same price as that stuff but a lot better



Well what do most people use?  mines got rubber hose on at the moment...  (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/dontknow.gif)
Title: Anyone know about fuel fittings?
Post by: 55starchief on April 20, 2006, 02:04:23 pm
Quoting: Incursus
Well what do most people use? mines got rubber hose on at the moment...


Most people would run either a braided/high performance line or a steel/s/steel/aluminium line under the car then either a rubber hose or braided/hi-perf to the carb
Title: Anyone know about fuel fittings?
Post by: Incursus on April 20, 2006, 02:35:05 pm
Ok next question,  If i fit this 1/2"  stuff to my current engine/fuel setup will it have adverse effects?

Should I just replace the crumbleing rubber I have, with cheap equivalent rubber, till the new stuff gets fitted.
Title: Anyone know about fuel fittings?
Post by: 55starchief on April 20, 2006, 02:35:31 pm
A quick search on jegs shows that you can dual fuel your carb mate

(http://www.jegs.com/images/photos/300/350/350-8132.jpg)
Title: Anyone know about fuel fittings?
Post by: Jamieg285 on April 20, 2006, 02:39:29 pm
I saw that, but assumed it was for dual inlet ones only.  I still haven't seen info on how to do it.

There's nothing mentioning it in the Carb manual.
Title: Anyone know about fuel fittings?
Post by: Jamieg285 on April 20, 2006, 02:39:56 pm
Maybe an email to Edelbrock tech support is in order.
Title: Anyone know about fuel fittings?
Post by: 55starchief on April 20, 2006, 02:40:57 pm
Pretty sure you will find a blanking cap on one side of the carb and an inlet on the other
Title: Anyone know about fuel fittings?
Post by: Jamieg285 on April 21, 2006, 09:33:34 am
Righty-ho then, I have scrutinised the Jegs catalogue and have come up with the following shopping list (or equivalents from other suppliers)

- Fuel pump - not decied on exact model, but Holley red or equivalent

- 3/8 NPT to -8 AN adapters x4 (for Fuel pump & regulator fitting)
http://www.jegs.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Cate goryDisplay?catalogId=10002&storeId=10001&category Id=22687&parentCategoryId=10019&langId=-1

- Hard Line to -8 AN adapters x2
http://www.jegs.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Cate goryDisplay?catalogId=10002&storeId=10001&category Id=27381&parentCategoryId=10301&langId=-1

- Hard line (1/2 inch)  25' length, so plenty spare (Chris (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/wink.gif))
http://www.jegs.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Cate goryDisplay?catalogId=10002&storeId=10001&category Id=24033&parentCategoryId=10019&langId=-1

- -8 AN braided hose (I will order 6', but if sharing can go longer)
http://www.jegs.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Cate goryDisplay?catalogId=10002&storeId=10001&category Id=22707&parentCategoryId=10019&langId=-1

- -8AN hose ends
http://www.jegs.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Cate goryDisplay?catalogId=10002&storeId=10001&category Id=22685&parentCategoryId=10019&langId=-1

- Fuel Filter (with replaceable element & -8 AN fittings) - Exact model to be decided

- Fuel pressure regulator (Already got)
http://www.jegs.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Cate goryDisplay?catalogId=10002&storeId=10001&category Id=14167&parentCategoryId=10323&langId=-1

- 3/8 to 1/8 NPT reducer (for pressure gauge sender)
http://www.jegs.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Cate goryDisplay?lang=-1&catalogId=10002&storeId=10001& categoryId=16741&searchItemId=61193

- Holley electric Fuel pressure guage (includes sender)
http://www.jegs.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Cate goryDisplay?catalogId=10002&storeId=10001&category Id=14417&parentCategoryId=10677&langId=-1

Banjo Fitting to Carb
http://www.jegs.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Cate goryDisplay?catalogId=10002&storeId=10001&category Id=28595&parentCategoryId=10019&langId=-1


Anything that I've missed?
Title: Anyone know about fuel fittings?
Post by: 55starchief on April 21, 2006, 09:37:36 am
Looks good mate, I would ask andy for a price on the fuel pump and filter, he might also be able to get the other stuff seeing as he is a racer your choice.
Title: Anyone know about fuel fittings?
Post by: Jamieg285 on April 21, 2006, 09:38:41 am
Also a couple more questions...

Anyone know how the pipe attach at the fuel tank.  I assume that there is a fixed hard line coming out of it, which you clamp a rubber hose to.

Also, is it OK to have the fuel pump attached directly to the hard line, or should it have a rubber hose both sides, before joining the hard line?
Title: Anyone know about fuel fittings?
Post by: Jamieg285 on April 21, 2006, 09:39:14 am
Quoting: 55starchief
Looks good mate, I would ask andy for a price on the fuel pump and filter, he might also be able to get the other stuff seeing as he is a racer your choice.


That is the plan at the moment.  First I want to make sure I have the full list of requirements.
Title: Anyone know about fuel fittings?
Post by: 55starchief on April 21, 2006, 09:43:43 am
I wouldnt bother with a Red pump mate the flow rate is to low for your motor especialy if you plan on doing any updates soon. I would look at a Blue minimum but a black if the budget is there. I have an aeromotive fuel pump and regulator that flows 150 gph+

(http://www.jegs.com/images/photos/02711203.jpg)
Title: Anyone know about fuel fittings?
Post by: 55starchief on April 21, 2006, 09:49:59 am
Quoting: Jamieg285
Banjo Fitting to Carb


Can you not get away with a straight conector to the carb mate? seems a shame to restrict the flow as it enters the carb
Title: Anyone know about fuel fittings?
Post by: Jamieg285 on April 21, 2006, 09:55:21 am
Quoting: 55starchief
I wouldnt bother with a Red pump mate the flow rate is to low for your motor especialy if you plan on doing any updates soon. I would look at a Blue minimum but a black if the budget is there. I have an aeromotive fuel pump and regulator that flows 150 gph+


According to the Holley page that Chris posted :-

500bhp(more than I will ever be going) = 250 lbs/hour
250/6 = 41 gallons/hour.

Red more than covers that, so why would I need to go higher?  At this stage the carb needs to be limited to 5.5 psi, and when I go EFI I will need a different pump anyway.   Am I missing something?
Title: Anyone know about fuel fittings?
Post by: Roadkill on April 21, 2006, 09:55:56 am
While on the subject of fuel fittings . . .

Can someone recommend a Swirl-pot for the Camaro ?

Cutting out when braking into corners is getting irritating.
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Title: Anyone know about fuel fittings?
Post by: Incursus on April 21, 2006, 09:56:25 am
Quoting: Jamieg285
- Hard line (1/2 inch) 25' length, so plenty spare (Chris )



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Quoting: 55starchief
I wouldnt bother with a Red pump mate the flow rate is to low for your motor especialy if you plan on doing any updates soon. I would look at a Blue minimum but a black if the budget is there


Yeah looking at black top for mine I think. though blue should do it.
Title: Anyone know about fuel fittings?
Post by: Jamieg285 on April 21, 2006, 09:56:31 am
Quoting: 55starchief
Can you not get away with a straight conector to the carb mate? seems a shame to restrict the flow as it enters the carb


That comes with the carb, however the instructions (and past experience) show that there might be clearance problems with the air cleaner.  

It's not definitely going to be used, but ready to hand 'just in case'.
Title: Anyone know about fuel fittings?
Post by: Jamieg285 on April 21, 2006, 09:58:18 am
Oh, also forgot

- -6AN braided hose for between regulator and carb - not been able to find a -8 AN fitting that will fit carb.
Title: Anyone know about fuel fittings?
Post by: Jamieg285 on April 21, 2006, 09:58:52 am
Quoting: Roadkill
Can someone recommend a Swirl-pot for the Camaro ?


Above my head mate.  Sorry.
Title: Anyone know about fuel fittings?
Post by: 55starchief on April 21, 2006, 10:03:29 am
Quoting: Jamieg285

Red more than covers that, so why would I need to go higher?


Im a belt and braces man mate, I would rather have a bigger pump and it work at half its capacity than a smaller pump working almost to its max

Quoting: Barry Grant
Can a fuel system that is too large hurt performance? No, it assures your combination will reach its full potential: the needles and seats will shut when the float bowls are full. Conversely, if your fuel system is marginal, fluctuations in battery voltage will cause fuel flow changes from run-to-run which affects the float levels in the carburetors and out-the-window goes your consistency! So how do you know if your volume is adequate?
Title: Anyone know about fuel fittings?
Post by: Roadkill on April 21, 2006, 10:04:36 am
Quoting: Jamieg285
show that there might be clearance problems with the air cleaner.


Use a hammer to re-adjust the shape of the pan. (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/wink.gif)
Title: Anyone know about fuel fittings?
Post by: 55starchief on April 21, 2006, 10:05:33 am
Quoting: Jamieg285
- -6AN braided hose for between regulator and carb


Thats the norm mate, i will run twin -6 lines to my mightydemon from my dual output regulator
Title: Anyone know about fuel fittings?
Post by: 55starchief on April 21, 2006, 10:06:20 am
Quoting: Jamieg285
That comes with the carb, however the instructions (and past experience) show that there might be clearance problems with the air cleaner.



could always make a spacer ring like dean has for his paperweight
Title: Anyone know about fuel fittings?
Post by: Roadkill on April 21, 2006, 10:09:47 am
Quoting: 55starchief
could always make a spacer ring like dean has for his paperweight


I do have a spare collar . . . . (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/chiny.gif)

Or

Quoting: Roadkill
Use a hammer to re-adjust the shape of the pan.


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Title: Anyone know about fuel fittings?
Post by: 55starchief on April 21, 2006, 10:11:47 am
Quoting: Roadkill
While on the subject of fuel fittings . . .

Can someone recommend a Swirl-pot for the Camaro ?



(http://www.nfauto.co.uk/images/april_2005/fuel_surge_tank.jpg)
FUEL SWIRL POT

1.5 ltr Prevents misfiring and fuel surge in fuel injected engines during hard cornering and braking. Feed this tank with a low pressure electric pump from the main tank .Top breather take off, feed and return take offs and main outlet at the bottom.


http://www.nfauto.co.uk/fuel_swirl_pot.htm
Title: Anyone know about fuel fittings?
Post by: Roadkill on April 21, 2006, 10:15:41 am
Quoting: 55starchief
1.5 ltr Prevents misfiring and fuel surge in fuel injected engines during hard cornering and braking


Are we sure this is the problem with mine ?

And what the F*ck are those 4 outlets for ? (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/shame.gif)
Title: Anyone know about fuel fittings?
Post by: 55starchief on April 21, 2006, 10:20:50 am
Quoting: Roadkill

Are we sure this is the problem with mine ?



I am pretty sure your fuel tank isnt baffled and its fuel surge and wash thats causing the cut out. This would stop that by having a small tank at the end of the fuel line at a constant pressure.

One way to check would be to install that blue top pump thats sat on the shelf in your garage and test again before buying a swirl pot.

Ypu could also look on fleabay and see if you can get a cheaper swirl pot now you know what it looks like. Dont get a water one though they look the same but have a rad cap on top


Quoting: Roadkill
nd what the F*ck are those 4 outlets for ?


(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/rtfm.gif) It tells you in the description
Title: Anyone know about fuel fittings?
Post by: Roadkill on April 21, 2006, 10:32:13 am
Quoting: 55starchief
One way to check would be to install that blue top pump thats sat on the shelf in your garage and test again before buying a swirl pot.


Good idea.

Well volunteered. (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/tongue.gif)

Also I'm think of re-routing the fuel-line - it's all-over the place.
Title: Anyone know about fuel fittings?
Post by: 55starchief on April 21, 2006, 10:34:21 am
here you go

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ALLOY-FUEL-SURGE-TANK-SWIRL- POT-RALLY-RACE-KIT-CAR_W0QQitemZ8057344596QQcatego ryZ43120QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

£28 and no bids with a couple of days left

or

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/AlliSport-Race-Universal-All oy-Aluminium-Fuel-Swirl-Pot_W0QQitemZ8058812106QQc ategoryZ72205QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

and the bling'd version

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/AlliSport-Show-Polished-Allo y-Universal-Fuel-Swirl-Pot_W0QQitemZ8058812026QQca tegoryZ72205QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Title: Anyone know about fuel fittings?
Post by: Roadkill on April 21, 2006, 10:40:14 am
I like the first one.

a) It's cheaper. (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/up.gif)
b) It's a mix of practicle AND bling. (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/cool.gif)
Title: Anyone know about fuel fittings?
Post by: 55starchief on April 21, 2006, 10:40:58 am
Quoting: Roadkill
b) It's a mix of particle AND bling.


particle (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/roll.gif)
Title: Anyone know about fuel fittings?
Post by: Roadkill on April 21, 2006, 10:42:40 am
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ALLOY-FUEL-TANK-11-GALL-COMP -RACE-KIT-CAR-RALLY-OFFROAD_W0QQitemZ8056389638QQc ategoryZ43120QQtcZphotoQQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcm dZViewItem

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Title: Anyone know about fuel fittings?
Post by: Roadkill on April 21, 2006, 10:45:12 am
Quoting: 55starchief
particle


If I posted every time you made a spelling mistake I'd be on double my post count by now.

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Title: Anyone know about fuel fittings?
Post by: 55starchief on April 21, 2006, 10:46:17 am
Quoting: Roadkill
If I posted every time you made a spelling mistake I'd be on double my post count by now.


Thats exactly what you did yesterday (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/mad.gif)
Title: Anyone know about fuel fittings?
Post by: Roadkill on April 21, 2006, 10:46:48 am
Quoting: 55starchief
exactly


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Title: Anyone know about fuel fittings?
Post by: 55starchief on April 21, 2006, 10:48:04 am
Quoting: Roadkill
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ALLOY-FUEL-TANK-11-GALL-COMP  -RACE-KIT-CAR-RALLY-OFFROAD_W0QQitemZ8056389638QQc ategoryZ43120QQtcZphotoQQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcm dZViewItem


That would be a soloution but i would probably still add a swirl pot for looks.
Title: Anyone know about fuel fittings?
Post by: 55starchief on April 21, 2006, 10:49:48 am
Quoting: Roadkill
Quoting: 55starchief
exactly





I have no idea what you mean


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Title: Anyone know about fuel fittings?
Post by: Roadkill on April 21, 2006, 10:52:00 am
Quoting: 55starchief
That would be a soloution but i would probably still add a swirl pot for looks.


Location of a 11 Gal. tank would be an issue . . . . . . (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/chiny.gif)
Title: Anyone know about fuel fittings?
Post by: Jamieg285 on April 21, 2006, 10:52:46 am
Quoting: 55starchief
Im a belt and braces man mate, I would rather have a bigger pump and it work at half its capacity than a smaller pump working almost to its max


Makes sense.  Annoying thing is the blue top comes with a regulator, which I don't want as I already have one.

Will re-consult the catalogue.
Title: Anyone know about fuel fittings?
Post by: 55starchief on April 21, 2006, 10:53:19 am
Quoting: Roadkill
Location of a 11 Gal. tank would be an issue . . . . . .


If we measure up in the trunk i can get a price to have one made. Should be able to make it fit in that bit behind the rear hump
Title: Anyone know about fuel fittings?
Post by: Jamieg285 on April 21, 2006, 10:55:42 am
Quoting: 55starchief
I have no idea what you mean


I do  (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/devil.gif) (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/devill.gif) (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/devil.gif)

Quoting: Roadkill
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Title: Anyone know about fuel fittings?
Post by: Jamieg285 on April 21, 2006, 10:56:54 am
Quoting: Roadkill
practicle


If you're going to correct spelling mistakes, make sure you don't make another one  

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Title: Anyone know about fuel fittings?
Post by: Incursus on April 21, 2006, 10:57:40 am
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Title: Anyone know about fuel fittings?
Post by: Jamieg285 on April 21, 2006, 11:00:37 am
Quoting: Jamieg285
Also a couple more questions...

Anyone know how the pipe attach at the fuel tank. I assume that there is a fixed hard line coming out of it, which you clamp a rubber hose to.

Also, is it OK to have the fuel pump attached directly to the hard line, or should it have a rubber hose both sides, before joining the hard line?


(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/bump.gif)  I think this post might have been overlooked.
Title: Anyone know about fuel fittings?
Post by: 55starchief on April 21, 2006, 11:04:22 am
Quoting: Jamieg285
I think this post might have been overlooked.


ooops my bad

ok not a good idea to plumb hard line straight to the pump add a small flexable section just in case a) you need to remove the pump b) remove any added vibration and stress to the termination

You will find that the hard line coming out of the tank will probably have a connector to the main hard line running under the car. You can either find the thread and get an adaptor or cut it off and use a hard line to flex connector
Title: Anyone know about fuel fittings?
Post by: Roadkill on April 21, 2006, 11:13:04 am
I'm kinda thinking of going shiny shiny braided too, now. (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/tongue.gif)
Title: Anyone know about fuel fittings?
Post by: 55starchief on April 21, 2006, 11:14:14 am
Quoting: Roadkill
I'm kinda thinking of going shiny shiny braided too, now.


sell out
Title: Anyone know about fuel fittings?
Post by: Jamieg285 on April 21, 2006, 11:14:27 am
Quoting: 55starchief
ok not a good idea to plumb hard line straight to the pump add a small flexable section just in case a) you need to remove the pump b) remove any added vibration and stress to the termination

You will find that the hard line coming out of the tank will probably have a connector to the main hard line running under the car. You can either find the thread and get an adaptor or cut it off and use a hard line to flex connector


That's what I figured on both counts, but thought I'd better check first.
Title: Anyone know about fuel fittings?
Post by: Roadkill on April 21, 2006, 11:21:41 am
Just had a look on Holley's website . . . .

Apparently it looks like (for mine at least) you put the pump as close to the tank as possible and the Regulator as close to the carb as possible . . .
Title: Anyone know about fuel fittings?
Post by: 55starchief on April 21, 2006, 11:22:19 am
Quoting: Roadkill
Apparently it looks like (for mine at least) you put the pump as close to the tank as possible and the Regulator as close to the carb as possible . . .


I already stated this

Quoting: 55starchief on page 1
A fatter pipe wont affect pressure but will aid the flow of fuel. The pressure is regulated at the end of the line before you split to the carb. the regulaor should be as close to the carb as posible
Title: Anyone know about fuel fittings?
Post by: Roadkill on April 21, 2006, 11:26:45 am
Yeah, but the position of the PUMP was never discussed . . . (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/nono.gif)
Title: Anyone know about fuel fittings?
Post by: 55starchief on April 21, 2006, 11:27:57 am
Quoting: Roadkill
Yeah, but the position of the PUMP was never discussed . . .


thats cause no one asked me, besides yours is already at the back
Title: Anyone know about fuel fittings?
Post by: Roadkill on April 21, 2006, 11:28:14 am
Kinda thinking of losing the boot space all together . . . make it easier to access it all.
It's a bit cramped where it is . . .
Title: Anyone know about fuel fittings?
Post by: 55starchief on April 21, 2006, 11:30:04 am
Quoting: Roadkill
Kinda thinking of losing the boot space all together . . . make it easier to access it all.
It's a bit cramped where it is . . .



if the old tank is coming out no reason we couldnt cut the floor out and weld in a section for the new ebay found tank to fit. would look almost stock then
Title: Anyone know about fuel fittings?
Post by: Jamieg285 on April 21, 2006, 11:30:49 am
Quoting: Roadkill
Kinda thinking of losing the boot space all together . . . make it easier to access it all.
It's a bit cramped where it is . . .


Make a large trap door style floor, you can still use it for carting stff about then.
Title: Anyone know about fuel fittings?
Post by: Roadkill on April 21, 2006, 11:56:04 am
Quoting: Jamieg285
Make a large trap door style floor, you can still use it for carting stff about then.


Kinda the plan . . . I have a :redneck: flip-up shelf at the mo.

Thinking of using the space below . . .
Quoting: 55starchief
if the old tank is coming out no reason we couldnt cut the floor out and weld in a section for the new ebay found tank to fit.


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Next stop - TUBS !!!

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Title: Anyone know about fuel fittings?
Post by: 55starchief on April 21, 2006, 12:17:16 pm
Quoting: Roadkill
Quoting: 55starchief
if the old tank is coming out no reason we couldnt cut the floor out and weld in a section for the new ebay found tank to fit.




Next stop - TUBS !!!



Come on mate i have the welder now (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/devil.gif)
Title: Anyone know about fuel fittings?
Post by: Roadkill on April 21, 2006, 12:33:35 pm
In time, I dare say.

Don't mind "semi-tubbing" it.

Just reluctant to "back half" it, whole hog. (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/shame.gif)
Title: Anyone know about fuel fittings?
Post by: Jamieg285 on April 22, 2006, 09:12:49 am
Ah, well.   Got the final shopping list together, tooted up the totals (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/shame.gif) (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/shame.gif) (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/shame.gif)

Guess I won't be doing the whole system right now.

For now I am going to just go for new pipe from the existing pump to the carb, with the addition of the regulator and a pressure gauge which will allow me to monitor the current set-up.

Disappointing, but just too much money (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/down.gif)