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Title: Andy - Aux Belt
Post by: Cunning Plan on April 20, 2010, 10:49:52 am

To replace the 'fan' / aux belt on the Mondeo, do you have to take the wheel off and the covers in the wheel arch? or can you get to it from the top? (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/dontknow.gif)

I did it years ago but can't remember now (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/huh.gif)

Title: Andy - Aux Belt
Post by: Andy on April 20, 2010, 10:54:32 am

Wheel off, lower inner liner off. It should be running either an idler pulley or a compressor for the air con. My knowledge on the Zetecs isn't great. Anything TD and I'm pretty sound. (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/tongue.gif)

Title: Andy - Aux Belt
Post by: Cunning Plan on April 20, 2010, 11:59:23 am

Cheers! As I thought.. (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/chiny.gif)

It's an Idler pulley as I don't have A/C (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/sad.gif)

May do it tonight, haven't done it since '07 (40k ago (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/shame.gif))

Title: Andy - Aux Belt
Post by: Cunning Plan on April 20, 2010, 11:59:48 am

Quoting: Cunning Plan

May do it tonight, haven't done it since '07 (40k ago )

I change the oil every 4k-ish to be fair though (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/tongue.gif)

Title: Andy - Aux Belt
Post by: Cunning Plan on April 20, 2010, 12:01:20 pm

Quoting: Andy

or a compressor for the air con

So, how do you do it on the compressor if there is no idler pulley to nudge out the way? Is there another pulley to move? (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/dontknow.gif)

Title: Andy - Aux Belt
Post by: Andy on April 20, 2010, 12:14:13 pm

Er hang on, I might be getting this wrong.

On the TD lump, if you're looking at the belt setup from the driver wheel well,
You have the main crank pulley, which going right will have an idler pulley, then goes up to the alternator, mounted on the rear end. Going forwards, you have the air con compressor. I believe on non-air con cars, there is an idler or delete pulley. Then running off of there is the fuel pump and power steering.

All i know, is to get the power steering belt off, i have to go back two belts. I'm looking at having to replace my PAS pump as it's leaking from the front bearing onto the belt. Does give that awesome slipping belt sound when gunning the engine mind!

Title: Andy - Aux Belt
Post by: philoldsmobile on April 20, 2010, 02:08:07 pm

Quoting: Cunning Plan

I change the oil every 4k-ish to be fair though

why?

under normal driving conditions there is no advantage to changing it sooner than recommended, i'm guessing 12k? doing it sooner is simply throwing money away.

lots of modern cars (such as dads pug 307) its 2 years / 20,000 miles. manufacturers dont get these things wrong anymore, thats why just about any car will do 200,000 miles, and seriously worn engines are rare, even at that sort of mileage - when did you last see a really smokey car? its not that often now.

suspension is the limiting factor on modern cars, it typically needs more work than the car is worth by 200k

Title: Andy - Aux Belt
Post by: EDGE on April 20, 2010, 02:22:35 pm

Andy, have you got a TDI ford of some kind ?  I've got a couple of belts here that you can have on the cheap if you want, the timing belt and the injection pump belt.  i bought them for my TDI escort,never got round to fitting them then the car was written off :(

I'll see if I can find them, I;m fairly unlikely to have thrown them away, they cost me over £50 !!!

Title: Andy - Aux Belt
Post by: EDGE on April 20, 2010, 02:26:43 pm

Quoting: philoldsmobile

why?

depends how long those 4k miles have taken to do, oil breaks down over time.  The saleen gets an oil change every 10 miles or so :).....

talking of which, I need to order another oil filter....

Title: Andy - Aux Belt
Post by: Andy on April 20, 2010, 03:17:22 pm

Cheers Edge, but I bought Europarts out of all the belts I need, apart from the timing belt, but I'll be taking that to my indie garage as that can go so very wrong.

Did you ever do all the belt on your Escort? I'm looking for an easier way around changing the alternator one, but it really does look like I have to take off the front aux belts to get to the alternator one at the back (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/sad.gif)

Title: Andy - Aux Belt
Post by: EDGE on April 20, 2010, 03:32:53 pm

i never changed any of the belts on the chavscort no, didnt actually do ANYTHING to it while i had it apart from reconnect the pipe from the turbo to the fuel pump....

Title: Andy - Aux Belt
Post by: Cunning Plan on April 21, 2010, 09:38:32 am

Quoting: philoldsmobile

under normal driving conditions there is no advantage to changing it sooner than recommended, i'm guessing 12k? doing it sooner is simply throwing money away.

Yes it says 12k but then it's 15 quid for an oil change and I've got one of these:

(http://www.demon-tweeks.co.uk/images/product/product/sea_eng-oil-extractor.jpg)

I hear what you are saying about cars lasting longer etc, but I also know of people that haven't looked after their cars and have blown up quicker so I may as well replace the oil when I can and pootle about..

Think it's because I am coming from the VW scene where the oil is also part of the cooling and so is important to change regularly (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/mechanic2.gif)

Title: Andy - Aux Belt
Post by: philoldsmobile on April 21, 2010, 11:45:17 am

what sort of oil are you putting in for £15???? (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/eek.gif)

you'd be better off buying decent oil and leaving it in for longer.

Title: Andy - Aux Belt
Post by: F Body on April 21, 2010, 11:49:43 am

Quoting: philoldsmobile

what sort of oil are you putting in for £15????

Indeed there isn't much decent oil for less than £30+ for 5 or quite often 4 litres now (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/sad.gif)

Title: Andy - Aux Belt
Post by: philoldsmobile on April 21, 2010, 11:51:23 am

of the budget brands, Comma is about the best, but even eurolite comes in about £22 for 5l

add in another £5 min for a filter, and I just cant see what you're using that does a change for £15, Asda multigrade?. false economy IMHO.

Title: Andy - Aux Belt
Post by: Andy on April 21, 2010, 11:58:06 am

Quoting: Cunning Plan

Yes it says 12k but then it's 15 quid for an oil change and I've got one of these:
(http://www.demon-tweeks.co.uk/images/product/product/sea_eng-oil-extractor.jpg)

I NEED one of those..  keep putting off purchasing one cos of funds but will do this weekend.

Can they be used for engine oil and PAS fluid or am I being dumb thinking that you need two seperate ones?

Title: Andy - Aux Belt
Post by: Incursus on April 21, 2010, 12:01:00 pm

Quoting: Andy

I NEED one of those.. keep putting off purchasing one cos of funds but will do this weekend.

Can they be used for engine oil and PAS fluid or am I being dumb thinking that you need two seperate ones?

They are great!  
I use it for transmission fluid and oil (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/dontknow.gif)

Title: Andy - Aux Belt
Post by: Andy on April 21, 2010, 12:19:04 pm

Sod it, purchased one from Demontweaks. Should be here tomorrow in time for the weekend... now some £15 oil! (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/tongue.gif)

Title: Andy - Aux Belt
Post by: philoldsmobile on April 21, 2010, 01:10:04 pm

damn, I've cooked with more expensive oil than that!!!  (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/shame.gif)

The Selinia 20k for my car isn't expensive at all at £8 per liter, and thats the  factory recommended stuff.. how much is the motorcraft oil?

i'd not even put £3 per liter oil in a lawn mower......

Title: Andy - Aux Belt
Post by: Andy on April 21, 2010, 02:06:08 pm

Quoting: philoldsmobile

put £3 per liter oil in a lawn mower...

Makes a horrible mess in a Flymo (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/sad.gif)

Title: Andy - Aux Belt
Post by: Cunning Plan on April 21, 2010, 06:13:51 pm

Quoting: philoldsmobile

what sort of oil are you putting in for £15????  

PartCo Unipart Semi-Synthetic (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/dontknow.gif)

Title: Andy - Aux Belt
Post by: Cunning Plan on April 22, 2010, 07:38:52 am

Quoting: Cunning Plan

PartCo Unipart Semi-Synthetic

Approved to Ford standards on the labelling (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/dontknow.gif) (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/rtfm.gif)

Title: Andy - Aux Belt
Post by: Andy on April 22, 2010, 07:41:40 am

Quoting: Cunning Plan

Approved to Ford standards on the labelling

Good stuff! Do you run any of those engine oil cleaner things before you suck it all out? Am worried that if I do that, the scrapnel I have blocking all the holes in my gaskets will come out with it.. (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/tongue.gif)

Title: Andy - Aux Belt
Post by: Cunning Plan on April 22, 2010, 08:09:48 am

Quoting: Andy

Good stuff! Do you run any of those engine oil cleaner things before you suck it all out? Am worried that if I do that, the scrapnel I have blocking all the holes in my gaskets will come out with it..

No way, heard they make more of a mess!

I also don't like the idea of running the engine before an oil change - which is 'advice' you always seem to hear. Problem with this is the oil is then flung around everywhere, in the journals, the head etc etc, so when you do drain it out, lots of the old stuff is stuck to the engine. The idea of a change to me is to let all the rubbish sink to the sump then drain or suck it out - job done!

Quoting: philoldsmobile

damn, I've cooked with more expensive oil than that!!!  

Quoting: Andy

now some £15 oil!

Quoting: F Body

Indeed there isn't much decent oil for less than £30+ for 5 or quite often 4 litres now

Sorry guys, I still don't see the issue with buying oil direct from a trade-sales place?? Sure, it isn't Magnatec super titanium uber star mix with pubes from a unicorn expensive oil, but no worse than an oil ANY garage would put in if you took your car in for a service.

Take a look next time you are at a garage at the brands they are using - simple fact is - they aren't - they are also using 'trade' standard oils. Sure, you don't want some cheap cheap rubbish, but if it says 5W40 on it - it has to conform to those standards - which is the standard my engine requires. Even better, the Unipart 'brand' has the Ford 'ANXXXX' number standards on it - so it can't be that bad.

Question is. Why are YOU guys paying double for the same oil? (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/snacking.gif)

Title: Andy - Aux Belt
Post by: Andy on April 22, 2010, 10:06:53 am

In fairness the last oil I topped up with was some ASDA own brand, that was after driving six hours getting down to Somerset from up't norf. I thought I'd check the oil in the morning to find it was off the bottom of the dipstick. Boy did I feel bad. Bought a big bottle, topped her up, hasn't complained since. Hasn't had an oil + filter change in about 5 years but still going strong. TD Enduro engines are bullet proof!

Title: Andy - Aux Belt
Post by: Cunning Plan on April 22, 2010, 10:36:32 am

Quoting: Andy

TD Enduro engines are bullet proof

Hmm, yeah I'd like a diesel right now with the miles I'm doing.. Can't believe you don't get over 40mpg though!

Since filling with BP and more recently inflating my tyres even more - I'm getting about 40 - 42 mpg (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/chiny.gif)

Title: Andy - Aux Belt
Post by: Incursus on April 22, 2010, 10:40:57 am

Quoting: Cunning Plan

Can't believe you don't get over 40mpg though!

Quoting: Andy

Hasn't had an oil + filter change in about 5 years

(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/wink.gif)

Title: Andy - Aux Belt
Post by: Cunning Plan on April 22, 2010, 10:46:01 am

Quoting: Incursus

(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/wink.gif)

(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/chiny.gif)

Andy, I am disgusted.  (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/banned.gif)

Title: Andy - Aux Belt
Post by: Andy on April 22, 2010, 10:49:41 am

Lol! Might have something to do with the leaky intercooler to. Started using BP Ultimate, first time was by mistake but made 350 to half a tank so even though it costs more I'll be using it over ASDA's stuff. Also did a fuel filter change, amazed by the difference!

Title: Andy - Aux Belt
Post by: Cunning Plan on April 22, 2010, 10:55:18 am

Quoting: Andy

350 to half a tank

(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/chiny.gif) You have 535 miles to a tank to beat a 1.8 petrol (with light on). (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/snacking.gif)

Title: Andy - Aux Belt
Post by: Andy on April 22, 2010, 10:59:44 am

Piece of pi$$ if I drove like a saint kept it below 2.5k but the thing is gutless. Plus motorway cruising 70mph (honest) is 3~3.5k which is on the turbo. The thing that let's mine down is the MTX 75 gearbox. I'm pretty sure its the same ratios as the petrol.

Title: Andy - Aux Belt
Post by: Andy on April 22, 2010, 11:01:16 am

Also, my light comes on with 8 litres left in the tank, brimmed yesterday from light, 52 litres. It's a 60 litre tank (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/down.gif)

Title: Andy - Aux Belt
Post by: Cunning Plan on April 22, 2010, 11:01:34 am

LOL.. We really should swap cars - I drive mine like a diesel changing early and gradually getting to speed and it sounds like you drive yours like a petrol (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/tongue.gif)

Title: Andy - Aux Belt
Post by: Andy on April 22, 2010, 11:05:37 am

I might be getting shot of mine soon, for an American Ford with German touches.

Title: Andy - Aux Belt
Post by: Cunning Plan on April 22, 2010, 11:08:07 am

Quoting: Andy

I might be getting shot of mine soon, for an American Ford with German touches.

Cadallac?

Title: Andy - Aux Belt
Post by: Andy on April 22, 2010, 11:10:06 am

How does that even work? Lol Cadillac are GM aren't they? This is much more Mondeo related!(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/up.gif)

Title: Andy - Aux Belt
Post by: EDGE on April 22, 2010, 11:32:12 am

Quoting: Andy

Might have something to do with the leaky intercooler to

think I've got one of those in the shed !!!

Title: Andy - Aux Belt
Post by: Andy on April 22, 2010, 11:38:33 am

Is it in good nick?

(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/chiny.gif)

Title: Andy - Aux Belt
Post by: Cunning Plan on April 22, 2010, 11:51:38 am

Quoting: Andy

How does that even work

(http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/coat.gif)

Title: Andy - Aux Belt
Post by: EDGE on April 22, 2010, 01:27:37 pm

Quoting: Andy

Is it in good nick?

it WAS....  I'll dig it out and have a look, you'd be welcome to it as you pointed me towards the Brad Paisley gig (http://www.mkb.cc/forum/smileys/beavisnbutthead.gif)

Title: Andy - Aux Belt
Post by: Andy on April 22, 2010, 02:13:51 pm

Ah haha, fair enoughski!

It's not so much my intercooler leaking but the o-rings are knackered. However a replacement one would be good to try this ol' cleaning it out with petrol thing. Haven't got the time to take mine off for a couple of days to let the petrol vapour away.

Title: Andy - Aux Belt
Post by: Andy on April 23, 2010, 06:15:20 pm

Seeing as this topic has gone a bit off topic anyway...

Ordered in some o-rings at my local ford main stealers, just a simple 1 1/4" black o-ring. Said I'd take two, to which the guy said they're £8.95 each!! So I've bought one in the vain hope my local BTL shop can sort me out with some. I had to buy one as mine are shagged and deformed, so hopefully with the dimensions and such I can pass onto those at MEG.